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Julian Lynq
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:20:00 -
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it may not be an exploit per se, but then what mc did with wardec mechanics also was no exploit, and yet, was fixed by ccp.
i forsee the same with this, once all the other pirate corps adepted to it. Especially since suicide-ganking is allready a hot topic on the table.
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Woodwraith
Total Mayhem. Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:21:00 -
[152]
meh, only thing that makes the orca better than a command ship is the ability to move rigged ships, i know you can do it with couriers, but, just -meh- to nerfing anything anymore.
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Phantom Slave
Amarr JUDGE DREAD Inc. Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:53:00 -
[153]
Not sure if this has been mentioned but here goes.
Concord can't pod us, that just wouldn't be right. But they *are* the police. Why can't they just arrest any -10 that shows up in hi-sec and drop them off in the low-sec area they just jumped from? ____________________
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.02 06:58:00 -
[154]
Edited by: techzer0 on 02/12/2008 07:04:04 Hey... so they used an Orca to get their ships into highsec? I just made the jump through the gate from 0.4 to 0.6 and warped to the belt
Take the fight to the pirates in lowsec... on average the highsec system next to the one I pirate in has 40-70 people. our max online most of the time is about 25. If it is such a HUGE issue, go on down into lowsec (since all you roid huggers should be united on this idea of hating -10s) and FIGHT BACK
Carebears outnumber pirates, just another example of the majority fearing a minority, but not being willing to do anything about it without a free handout ------------
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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Pant Alones
Surge. Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:02:00 -
[155]
Interesting idea, will have to look into it ------------------------
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:29:00 -
[156]
Why not keep your local window open while mining? a bunch of -10 RED BLINKING guys show up... and well u know something is up! everyone DOCK *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Thoren Gregson
Would a consistent Concord presence in all empire belts stop this? I donĘt know, but what I do know is.. this problem is going to become a lot worse as more and more players adopt this practice and I know that, atleast for me and my corp we will have to park all of our mining ships until something changes. None of us can afford 200million losses a night in the blink of an eye.
Temporary solutions: - mine only within mission deadspace (harder to scan, they will need to pass the acceleration gate so will not warp directly near your ships) or exploration sites. - add them to your buddy list and dock when they are in system (yeah, 0.0 life in high sec).
It is another bunch of bright boys that circumventing the rules and finding system to exploit them will get a acceptable game mechanics (suicide ganking) nerfed more. Some people will say that it is legitimate but they are circumventing all the consequences of being -10 and of suicide ganking, so it is not true, they are exploiting the system.
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SirMoric
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:30:00 -
[158]
If you can't get carebears com to you, you have to go to them.
I love hearing the whine of "carebear pirates" when they can't find their intended targets, carebears, in low-sec.
Just a shame the "carebear pirates" has to fall this low, to be able to attack targets that won't shoot back.
rgds
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Dasfry Why not keep your local window open while mining? a bunch of -10 RED BLINKING guys show up... and well u know something is up! everyone DOCK
You know that the security status is not show in local? It show the player standing to you or your corp, not the security status.
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21 Salvager
Minmatar Moons of Pluto Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2008.12.02 07:33:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Clarisaa Maybe stating the obvious but were you aligned when mining or just pointing in a random direction? Being aligned reduces warp out to seconds even when stationnary,...
No, it doesn't. When stationary, you are aligned in all directions and only need to get to speed, which is why you can insta-warp freighters with a webifier. ----- I'm a collector! Want to trade? See my Collection List and contact me. |
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the Entity
testicular Fortitude
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: the Entity on 02/12/2008 08:03:25
Originally by: techzer0 Edited by: techzer0 on 02/12/2008 07:04:04 Hey... so they used an Orca to get their ships into highsec? I just made the jump through the gate from 0.4 to 0.6 and warped to the belt
Take the fight to the pirates in lowsec... on average the highsec system next to the one I pirate in has 40-70 people. our max online most of the time is about 25. If it is such a HUGE issue, go on down into lowsec (since all you roid huggers should be united on this idea of hating -10s) and FIGHT BACK
Carebears outnumber pirates, just another example of the majority fearing a minority, but not being willing to do anything about it without a free handout
/signed - surely there must be a few bears will balls out there? best pirating move ever \o/
edit:bolded for clarity
Originally by: Acama Asante so clearly this thread is my punishment but what was my crime I wonder
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Cairn Metalhand
Swedish Aerospace Inc G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:36:00 -
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Edited by: Cairn Metalhand on 02/12/2008 08:36:49 Congratulation to the op for making this public knowledge and inspiring hundreds of bored pirates
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Superfailsauce
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: 21 Salvager
Originally by: Clarisaa Maybe stating the obvious but were you aligned when mining or just pointing in a random direction? Being aligned reduces warp out to seconds even when stationnary,...
No, it doesn't. When stationary after jumping through a gate or cynoing into a system, you are aligned in all directions and only need to get to speed, which is why you can insta-warp freighters with a webifier.
Fixed
I heartily agree with this tactic. We were actually planning on giving it a go in the near future. And as tech mentioned. If you don't like what's happening, hire some mercs to seek out the offending corp or posse up and go and deal with them yourselves. Stop playing the victim, stand up for yourselves and don't allow these people to kick sand in your face.
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Commander Aeris
Caldari Galactic Trade Guild
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:50:00 -
[164]
I still don't get why pirates blow up their own income I mean, I understand can flipping. Hate it, but it makes the pirates money. Probably more then to splat 10 odd ships to kill a hulk?
Besides, the pirates should all love the macro miners, otherwise they wouldnt have ships to splat.
No macro/carebear miners = no minerals for your ships.
Guess it shows that those pirates that yell that theres too many miners in highsec wouldnt mind giving me some money to show you really don't care about ship prices rising?
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Troezar
Fatality.
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:56:00 -
[165]
Hmm no locked thread yet, good sign it's not been deemed an exploit yet...
Look at it this way if CCP wanted high sec mining to be 100% safe they could make it that way, they haven't yet....
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Aeris I still don't get why pirates blow up their own income I mean, I understand can flipping. Hate it, but it makes the pirates money. Probably more then to splat 10 odd ships to kill a hulk?
Besides, the pirates should all love the macro miners, otherwise they wouldnt have ships to splat.
No macro/carebear miners = no minerals for your ships.
Guess it shows that those pirates that yell that theres too many miners in highsec wouldnt mind giving me some money to show you really don't care about ship prices rising?
Most well organized pirate corps have their own logistic suppliers, who are profiting from us making the extra stuff they sell worth more. So we're not cutting our own throats, we're hurting the rest of the EVE economy that is not self reliant ------------
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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Tombozo
Caldari Bagman's Bookkeeping Services LLC
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:57:00 -
[167]
Perhaps this has already been mentioned somewhere in the previous six pages, but I just thought I'd point out that this can be done without Orcas. It'd take longer, but they could just as well use alts to fly ships into hisec individually, eject and board with the pirates. Orcas don't introduce anything new here, they just make it a bit easier. |
Sic Volo
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:57:00 -
[168]
Solution: set the gankers criminal flag on the Orca after they dock, that will give the victims at least some chance to retaliate. Fair, isnt it?
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Karille
Gallente Cold Templars Templar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.12.02 08:58:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Commander Aeris I still don't get why pirates blow up their own income I mean, I understand can flipping. Hate it, but it makes the pirates money. Probably more then to splat 10 odd ships to kill a hulk?
Besides, the pirates should all love the macro miners, otherwise they wouldnt have ships to splat.
No macro/carebear miners = no minerals for your ships.
Guess it shows that those pirates that yell that theres too many miners in highsec wouldnt mind giving me some money to show you really don't care about ship prices rising?
They do it because they can, and most people will just sit back and take it. It's really funny when you think about it.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tombozo Perhaps this has already been mentioned somewhere in the previous six pages, but I just thought I'd point out that this can be done without Orcas. It'd take longer, but they could just as well use alts to fly ships into hisec individually, eject and board with the pirates. Orcas don't introduce anything new here, they just make it a bit easier.
Simpler than that. Form a fleet up in low-sec adjacent to a high-sec system, Jump, Warp to scout/belt and open fire.
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Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
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SirMoric
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:21:00 -
[171]
It just struck me.
You could do the same i high-sec where level 4 missions are available, you know where.
The use a neutral scout to find people flying missions in their shiny CNR's, and go and gank them.
See, easy profit!
And many of these CNR's have billions worth of equipment, you know what.
rgds
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:31:00 -
[172]
six pages and not one post suggesting wardec'ing the orca...? have privateers left such a hollow shell of the concept... - putting the gist back into logistics |
Digital Anarchist
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:37:00 -
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Technically, you can do the same thing at a POS. Anchor a ship maintenance array and merely bring ships in via a freighter. Orca just makes this process a bit more mobile. ------------------------ This space for rent |
SirMoric
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider six pages and not one post suggesting wardec'ing the orca...? have privateers left such a hollow shell of the concept...
But the clever part would be if the pilot in the Orca is in a beginner-corp. Then you can't wardec him. The same goes for the scout and other kind of supporting players.
Wreck havoc in level 4 missions
rgds
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Valan
Gen Tec
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Posted - 2008.12.02 09:49:00 -
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Just a few points.
Passiveley aligning decreases your gtfo dodge time. You don't have to turn around. Entire fleets do this when fighting. It is difficult to get bang on as the nose always dips a little but it's better than facing the wrong way. I can see why you wouldn't use this drill in empire as standard but the reds in local were the indicator that FC should've given the command to passiveley align.
You can't wardec people in noob corps even if they fly an Orca.
You can do this by just leaving unoccupied ships in space which is a lot less convenient than using an Orca but still.
How did they get your position so perfect? Just thought the noob corp shuttle was having a quick look? Because if you warped in from the station and they warped in from a safe I would put money on you being out of smart bomb range.
Lots of red people in system means something bad is going to happen.
Lots of red people in your belt means the bad thing is going to happen to you.
Getting done twice in quick succession means I wouldn't even have posted out of sheer embarrasment.
But kudos for going out and discovering what happened although instead of preparing a counter or getting your own back you whined instead. So I'm going to give you 1 out of 10. If you let them fly upto in the belt then you get -10/10.
/start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.02 10:03:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Dasfry Why not keep your local window open while mining? a bunch of -10 RED BLINKING guys show up... and well u know something is up! everyone DOCK
You know that the security status is not show in local? It show the player standing to you or your corp, not the security status.
Uhhh, yes it is. It is not checked by default so you have to go into overview settings and set it yourself. I've been trying to tell people this. learn2overview.
Nice that the vast majority of the posters support this.
Lots of ways to counter this, the most obvious being war dec the orca pilot. If the orca pilot is in a NPC corp well then hmmmm, yes there is a problem with NPC corp immunity isn't there? See sig. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Tombozo
Caldari Bagman's Bookkeeping Services LLC
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Posted - 2008.12.02 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Valan Passiveley aligning decreases your gtfo dodge time. You don't have to turn around.
Not true. The 'facing' that you see is purely client-side, and has nothing to do with the physics engine. All the game cares about is your velocity, and when you're sitting still your velocity is zero. This means, you're not actually aligned anywhere. Have you ever notice that if you move fly your ship a different direction than it's 'facing' from a stop, it will actually fly backwards a bit before it turns around? The directionality you see is purely graphical.
Originally by: Valan I can see why you wouldn't use this drill in empire as standard but the reds in local were the indicator that FC should've given the command to passiveley align.
It's been said before, but sec status doesn't show up in local. If they happen to have attacked someone in the last 15 minutes they will show up as globally aggro'ed, but otherwise the only way to know that they're outlaws is to see them in space or show info on them. Do you show info on everyone you see in hisec local? That's not really a reasonable expectation.
Originally by: Valan How did they get your position so perfect? Just thought the noob corp shuttle was having a quick look? Because if you warped in from the station and they warped in from a safe I would put money on you being out of smart bomb range.
They almost certainly used an alt with a covops for a warp-in.
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Beaty Swollocks
Freelancing Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.02 10:19:00 -
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What systems are they doing this in ?
Send me evemail with details so i can come in a fast locking ship and pod each and everyone of them (seeing as they are -10 = free lunch!)
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.02 10:33:00 -
[179]
I still don't see what part of this is meant to be an exploit.
For ages pirates have had neutral alts bring them ships at safespots in high-sec. The only difference here is using an Orca to move the ships.
It is basically the same as suicide ganking has been for ages.
Faction Navy were buffed when factional warfare hit, so it is already harder for these pirates anyway.
The problem is that the OP expects to be safe, and wants bad guys to be nicer.
Personally I think that you should be able to cruise around in Empire space no matter your sec status. It should be up to players to "punish" criminals, not the factional navy (who should punish those with a low factional status, not a low security status). Of course, Concord should still respond to criminal acts.
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Titan Pilot
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.02 10:47:00 -
[180]
The pirates did you a favor. Go mine in a real 0.0 corp if you can find one...
The OP does raise an interesting question tho. Its been years since I tried to mine in Empire but I do know that trying to protect miners in space 0.5+ is near impossible. By the time you figure out who is shooting, its too late to stop the attackers.
You simply cannot defend a mining OP in empire while making decent isk....
Best advice is sit a couple of alts on the low sec gates, stay aligned and have a couple of logistics ships ready to rep whomever gets caught.
So basically, dont bother...
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