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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.04.14 01:59:00 -
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Ioci wrote:API turned EVE in to the Meta game it is. They can't change it, not now but turn back time, I am sure CCP would be happy to have made EVE without it.
Nonsense. The metagame long predates the API. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
194
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Posted - 2012.04.14 02:51:00 -
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FYI before the API was around corporations wanted a screen shot of your login page showing your characters.
IT is up to you if you want to give your API away or not
Funny bit is that a API isn't going to protect the corp one little bit. There are to many ways around it .
Like a lock on a door. API's keep honest and people honest and keep to small time criminals in check. However the professionals, it won't stop them for one second.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
662
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:04:00 -
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OP: you can delete an API key at any time. So if you leave a corp that wanted your API, you just delete it and BOOM, no more data for them.
API is the most useful thing in EVE. Without it, EVEMon wouldn't exist. |
leviticus ander
CATO.nss
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:18:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:OP: you can delete an API key at any time. So if you leave a corp that wanted your API, you just delete it and BOOM, no more data for them. API is the most useful thing in EVE. Without it, EVEMon wouldn't exist. or he could even ask if he can delete it right after they verify him. even less time to gather information about him. or like in my case, he could just not give a damn, and not care who has his API (at this point there's probably a few dozen people who have it). |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
570
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:31:00 -
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The limited API allows a training officer to use EVE Mon to help manage training without a lot of back and forth. The API can be changed almost instantly, so if you leave a corp, or suddenly mistrust...which means you should leave...presto! They have no info.
Giving out permissions on the scale they seem to be is no more than a labor saving device so the CEO and officers aren't saddled with being "available" to their members to accomplish tasks. Given this, you can assume the corp you're entering isn't well-managed. You can expect that you'll barely exist to your upper ups.
Any corp that just hands out access to the corp wallet probably deserves being hit by a thief. Most spies won't just rob a corp. That would be part of an eventual, heavy-duty offensive move. The limited API won't provide enough information to reveal whom a CEO and officer corps has trusted more than they should. Usually, such spies have worked their ways high up in the organizational structure of a corp.
Using the API system for reasons of security misapprehends the nature of internal security. By the time you've been hit, the one who hit you will be proud to broadcast that they did. It's the "twist the knife once it's in" portion of the show. Even IF a CEO could SEE this person's wallet increase proportionately to the decrease in the corps funds - player wallet = 500 billion, corp wallet = 0, it's not anything one couldn't assume on their own, or ... again ... they deserve to be hit.
The tried and true defense against spies is obviously loyalty. Compartmentalization so one higher up doesn't have access to everything is the rule. Any officer expecting permissions in areas that don't concern them shouldn't be an officer. I could go for days on this, but suffice to say, the API isn't an answer to sound judgement, responsible behavior and true dedication.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
662
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Posted - 2012.04.14 03:32:00 -
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leviticus ander wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:OP: you can delete an API key at any time. So if you leave a corp that wanted your API, you just delete it and BOOM, no more data for them. API is the most useful thing in EVE. Without it, EVEMon wouldn't exist. or he could even ask if he can delete it right after they verify him. even less time to gather information about him. or like in my case, he could just not give a damn, and not care who has his API (at this point there's probably a few dozen people who have it). Well yeah. Not caring is a plus.
I'd even post my API here... would be fun to see how many use it. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
480
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Posted - 2012.04.14 04:11:00 -
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Moonaura wrote:The wallet journal reveals a lot that is important to avoid griefers and spies. It all comes down to undeclared alts, and the wallet journal is one of the few ways to try and spot them. The skill sheet speaks for itself, and is essential to judge if a player is adequate for what you are trying to achieve as a corp and what they might need to work on.
Frankly, if somebody is serious about joining a corp, they should be totally cool with being open about their character.
alts should be just that. alts... it shouldn't matter who your other characters are. |
Endeavour Starfleet
797
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Posted - 2012.04.14 04:48:00 -
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The tend of demanding full api is alarming but sadly somewhat expected due to how COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BORKED the corp and POS systems and permissions are.
If I have read correctly you can only effectively isolate 6-7 people (That includes alts) before someone has to start sharing permissions and risk getting his stuff stolen. The result has been a stunningly high amount of reports of corp theft and other activities that normally should not even be possible.
This is why I am so saddened and surprised that the modular corp and POS system is little more than a modified picture from minecraft at this time.
WITH modular corp and POS settings you can isolate potential spies and thieves well before they have a chance to do the deed. Forcing them to do more to earn the trust needed to get into the higher levels as it should be.
Some moan and cry that the system will get another of their favorite pasttimes. Yet the big picture is it is giving a ton of unneeded power to large alliances and corps that can afford the extra measures and therefore can demand full API.
At the VERY least we need a middle quick fix of allowing creation of Personal Hangars that include ships and items that can only be accessed by the player who put it up. Its a kludge but it will serve to help put a stop to this crap before the real modular system comes online. |
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