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Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2009.02.15 21:43:00 - [1] I'm growing a little tired of seeing rocket explosions larger than a cruiser sized hull. Same goes for other effects. Just because I know I should know where the damage is coming from doesn't mean I should be witnessing a brilliant light from something as small as a 250mm shell. Really. That shell is NOT larger than a frigate, can we please not see it like it is? ____________________ CCP: Catering to the cowards of a cold, harsh universe since November, 2006.
Novantco The Tuskers	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:07:00 - [2] Turn the effects off.
maranne marachian	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:29:00 - [3] a 250mm shell is NOT small a shell that size in real life would make most buildings explode purely from over pressure most tank/artillery shells are less than 150mm so believe me the effects arent that far off
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:12:00 - [4] Originally by: maranne marachian a 250mm shell is NOT small a shell that size in real life would make most buildings explode purely from over pressure most tank/artillery shells are less than 150mm so believe me the effects arent that far off I'd like to see a 250mm shell cause an explosion cloud that is larger than the Eiffel Tower. ____________________ CCP: Catering to the cowards of a cold, harsh universe since November, 2006.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:14:00 - [5] All I know, is that in my game about futuristic space empires in the year 23,000AD, where I play a demigod as an immortal pilot in a pod controlling my ship with my mind, I demand that all explosions are as realistic as possible. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:33:00 - [6] ? If you want realism you should be asking for the explosions to be bigger not smaller. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page "Nothing about Eve should be easy. Not even ganking." -Rhohan
Eldern Minderhost	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:22:00 - [7] lack of earth-like gravity means the particles from your fracturing ship just keep going
Z Rex	Posted - 2009.02.16 04:57:00 - [8] If you want to be realistic, the sheer velocity of the railgun/projectile turret ammunition would be enough to destroy pretty much anything short of a capital ship in one shot.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2009.02.16 06:23:00 - [9] If you would want realism there wouldn't be Eve - not a single bit of it. But this is about aesthetics. And some of those new effects are just ugly, compared to what we have on TQ right now. However, there is still enough time for the devs to fix it - given that they get good and constructive feedback.
Kopkiller	Posted - 2009.02.16 07:23:00 - [10] Edited by: Kopkiller on 16/02/2009 07:23:09 Originally by: Allen Ramses something as small as a 250mm shell. AHAHAHA dude that is really funny. Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun Originally by: Allen Ramses Really. That shell is NOT larger than a frigate, can we please not see it like it is? Did you know explosive shells used in aviation to explode planes were actually 2 centimeter large? So imagine the effect of a 100X bigger shell. But, i admit i agree with the OP that missiles xplosions are to big and we don't understand what happens if we don't zoom out.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.02.16 07:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Allen Ramses I'm growing a little tired of seeing rocket explosions larger than a cruiser sized hull. Same goes for other effects. Just because I know I should know where the damage is coming from doesn't mean I should be witnessing a brilliant light from something as small as a 250mm shell. Really. That shell is NOT larger than a frigate, can we please not see it like it is? Yes because fixing a graphics glitch over moar important things like the client not randomly crashing and getting the rest of the features in and usable on the test server is totally worth the dev time. Turn off scene 2 if it bothers you and when its fixed you can turn it back on. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Fen Quai	Posted - 2009.02.16 08:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Kopkiller Edited by: Kopkiller on 16/02/2009 07:28:13 Originally by: Allen Ramses something as small as a 250mm shell. AHAHAHA dude that is really funny. Look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Gun And this is 210mm "only"! Originally by: Allen Ramses Really. That shell is NOT larger than a frigate, can we please not see it like it is? Did you know explosive shells used in aviation to explode planes were actually 2 centimeter large? So imagine the effect of a 100X bigger shell. But, i admit i agree with the OP that missiles xplosions are to big and we don't understand what happens if we don't zoom out. About 10x bigger, not 100x :P. You're comparing centimeters to milimeters. But I think you're right other than that, that the effect of the shell is probably more than you'd expect. On the other side, ships in eve are really big. A frigate in Eve would be about comparable to the biggest airliners on earth I believe? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Kopkiller	Posted - 2009.02.16 09:38:00 - [13] You are right..my bad. Corrected.
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.02.16 09:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Allen Ramses Originally by: maranne marachian a 250mm shell is NOT small a shell that size in real life would make most buildings explode purely from over pressure most tank/artillery shells are less than 150mm so believe me the effects arent that far off I'd like to see a 250mm shell cause an explosion cloud that is larger than the Eiffel Tower. considering shells of 155mm in RL have already been equiped with NUKEs. That is pretty easy to acomplish.
Cadde Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM	Posted - 2009.02.16 10:25:00 - [15] Edited by: Cadde on 16/02/2009 10:27:54 Edited by: Cadde on 16/02/2009 10:26:02 250mm's (25cm), that is 10 inches! I have made a little comparison image, however i could not find a source that confirmed it, i do believe the explosion on the left is about the height of the Eiffel tower. The image on the right is to scale with the raven and whatever Caldari frigate that is in comparison to the tower. Either way, it puts things into perspective doesn't it? EDIT: The gun used is a 280mm atomic cannon, the M65 was made and fielded in the early 50's, imagine how far mankind can get compared to having warp drives and stargates. EDIT 2: ZOMG! I am comparing a game to reality!!! ... Well who started it? And i know i am being silly, just making a point. --------------- Opinions? Yes they belong to me, not my corp!
Kopkiller	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Kopkiller on 16/02/2009 11:21:52 Originally by: Polinus Originally by: Allen Ramses Originally by: maranne marachian a 250mm shell is NOT small a shell that size in real life would make most buildings explode purely from over pressure most tank/artillery shells are less than 150mm so believe me the effects arent that far off I'd like to see a 250mm shell cause an explosion cloud that is larger than the Eiffel Tower. considering shells of 155mm in RL have already been equiped with NUKEs. That is pretty easy to acomplish. The Eiffel tower would punch back any of your atomic shells, mofos!
Cadde Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:24:00 - [17] Originally by: Kopkiller Edited by: Kopkiller on 16/02/2009 11:21:52 Originally by: Polinus Originally by: Allen Ramses Originally by: maranne marachian a 250mm shell is NOT small a shell that size in real life would make most buildings explode purely from over pressure most tank/artillery shells are less than 150mm so believe me the effects arent that far off I'd like to see a 250mm shell cause an explosion cloud that is larger than the Eiffel Tower. considering shells of 155mm in RL have already been equiped with NUKEs. That is pretty easy to acomplish. The Eiffel tower would punch back any of your atomic shells, mofos! Are we talking about if the Eiffel tower can withstand or be engulfed by an atomic shell? I think the OP wants the visual effects on his ship smaller, i think it's fine as it is! --------------- Opinions? Yes they belong to me, not my corp!
Kopkiller	Posted - 2009.02.16 11:29:00 - [18] Originally by: Cadde Are we talking about if the Eiffel tower can withstand or be engulfed by an atomic shell? I think the OP wants the visual effects on his ship smaller, i think it's fine as it is! Just joking, dude..
Cadde Gallente Gene Works AKA-AHN KINGDOM	Posted - 2009.02.16 12:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Kopkiller Originally by: Cadde Are we talking about if the Eiffel tower can withstand or be engulfed by an atomic shell? I think the OP wants the visual effects on his ship smaller, i think it's fine as it is! Just joking, dude.. Ah right, never mind me. I've been up for far too long. --------------- Opinions? Yes they belong to me, not my corp!
Kitsumi Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.16 13:01:00 - [20] Edited by: Kitsumi on 16/02/2009 13:02:11 Originally by: Kopkiller You are right..my bad. Corrected. Actually, he's not right and you were closer with your original estimate. Remember that we're talking diameter. If we're only thinking 2-D then, yes, we're talking 10x larger. However, shells are not 2D. They are 3D. The larger a shell is diameter the longer the shell is the larger the internal volume. A simplistic example of this would be measuring a square and a cube. A 2x2 square is 4 times larger than a 1x1 square. 4SqFt vs 1SqFt. A 1x1x1 cube is 1 cubic foot whereas a 2x2x2 cube is 8 cubic feet; 8 times larger. So comparing a 2cm shell to an 210mm shell is not comparing 20mm to 210mm on a line. The area of a 20mm circle is ~314mm. The area of a 210mm circle is 34168.5mm. Roughly 109 times larger. That's the 2D difference. The 3D difference is a factor larger still! However since internal volume of a shell is based on the length which is independent of the diameter I can't give a reasonable example. Needless to say refer to the difference of a square vs. a cube above and you can see that the difference between the two shells is quite immense and certainly much more than your initial 100x, much less the "corrected" 10 times. *Scars flown proud!*
Kopkiller	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:41:00 - [21] Edited by: Kopkiller on 16/02/2009 14:46:58 EDIT: yes, in reality, the first number used to designate a caliber is the diameter of the bullet, which means a 10 time bigger diameter makes a 1000 time bigger volume. So i was wrong anyway.
Illectroculus Defined	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:16:00 - [22] Isn't the Eiffel Tower an early prototype of a Minmatar Battleship?
Msgerbs Gallente Imperial Assualt Guild	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Illectroculus Defined Isn't the Eiffel Tower an early prototype of a Minmatar Battleship? Dude. That's goin in my sig. "Isn't the Eiffel Tower an early prototype of a Minmatar Battleship?" --Illectroculus Defined
Fen Quai	Posted - 2009.02.17 08:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Kitsumi Edited by: Kitsumi on 16/02/2009 13:02:11 Originally by: Kopkiller You are right..my bad. Corrected. Actually, he's not right and you were closer with your original estimate. Remember that we're talking diameter. If we're only thinking 2-D then, yes, we're talking 10x larger. However, shells are not 2D. They are 3D. The larger a shell is diameter the longer the shell is the larger the internal volume. A simplistic example of this would be measuring a square and a cube. A 2x2 square is 4 times larger than a 1x1 square. 4SqFt vs 1SqFt. A 1x1x1 cube is 1 cubic foot whereas a 2x2x2 cube is 8 cubic feet; 8 times larger. So comparing a 2cm shell to an 210mm shell is not comparing 20mm to 210mm on a line. The area of a 20mm circle is ~314mm. The area of a 210mm circle is 34168.5mm. Roughly 109 times larger. That's the 2D difference. The 3D difference is a factor larger still! However since internal volume of a shell is based on the length which is independent of the diameter I can't give a reasonable example. Needless to say refer to the difference of a square vs. a cube above and you can see that the difference between the two shells is quite immense and certainly much more than your initial 100x, much less the "corrected" 10 times. Absolutely correct, guess I tried to cut a corner with a wall in the way with my remark :) Good explanation.

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