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Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.24 03:54:00 -
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I'm pretty new to EVE, but other than trying to rat in .1, I've never done any PvE that straight-up destroyed me like my first L3 mission. I'm out of reasonable fighting strength in <1 minute, for a mission that is only worth ~700k total--a sum that I could easily tackle if it were a higher end L2 mission.
Here is my current ship:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/60321-Harbinger-Dorlzahn-s-Lolbinger.html
The tank items are the best I can figure for a mission wherein I fight Gallente and Minmatar. I tried a few other mixes of hardeners, membranes, etc. and this seems to be the one where I die the slowest...I'm only at around 1m SP, but I'm very clearly missing something. Anyone got the right answers for a clueless newbie? |

Kalli Brixzat
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Posted - 2012.04.24 04:20:00 -
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The 1st reply is a good fit. Copy it. You need rigs. CCC is the way to go, so get 3 of those. Chances are, your skills are on the low side. You may want to consider farming L2's a little longer whilst you skill-up a bit. |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.24 06:53:00 -
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Kalli Brixzat wrote:The 1st reply is a good fit. Copy it. You need rigs. CCC is the way to go, so get 3 of those. Chances are, your skills are on the low side. You may want to consider farming L2's a little longer whilst you skill-up a bit. this.
also, as a general rule of thumb, you always want at least two, better three heat sinks on any laser combat ship above frigate size. same goes for the other races and their respective damage mods. |

Eladanus
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.04.24 07:09:00 -
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Yeah the fit posted there would be better. As said above, you need 2 or 3 active hardeners specific to what youre fighting, the membranes are ok but the hardeners are better for what youre doing.
Rigs will help you with cap stability, which will help you repair and shoot more, which is obviously a good thing.
Dont forget about taking 2 or 3 ammo types to suit your damage to your range. |

Ferditjuh
Minmatar United Freedom Front The 11th Hour Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:28:00 -
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Also hit up Eve Survival and read the mission details if you havent. Try getting into the habit of finding out which ships are triggers that spawn the next wave. This is also going to be very important when you start doing L4 missions. If you accidentally trigger several waves at once you're going to recieve so much incoming DPS that there is no way to tank it all. |

July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:35:00 -
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Please do yourself a favour and stay some time in L3 missions.
DO NOT go straight into a BS and level 4, after a while. Some L3 drop nice Loot like the meta 4 HM launcher or imps. If you get bored do some other stuff like exploration or low level pvp.
It will take about 6-10 months, until you can fly a Harbinger as it was meant. |

Ank Parkor
WildSpace Otters
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Posted - 2012.04.24 08:48:00 -
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Of course it will be better when your skills get higher and your fitted more adapted but it will remain to not fight the natural ennemies of Amarr.
Short time trader, short term missionner, long term ambitions.
Bring justice to EVE:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1171333 |

Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
43
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Posted - 2012.04.24 13:04:00 -
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Ferditjuh wrote:Also hit up Eve Survival and read the mission details if you havent. Try getting into the habit of finding out which ships are triggers that spawn the next wave. This is also going to be very important when you start doing L4 missions. If you accidentally trigger several waves at once you're going to recieve so much incoming DPS that there is no way to tank it all.
A speed tank will work in most cases even if you screwed up the triggers. Just take make sure to stay of range of the tacklers and blow them fast enough. Still checking the triggers first to not screw up is even than a great idea. And I have no idea if there are any amarr ships that can speed tank and dish out enough damage for a l4. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
579
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:19:00 -
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July Oumis wrote:Please do yourself a favour and stay some time in L3 missions.
DO NOT go straight into a BS and level 4, after a while. Some L3 drop nice Loot like the meta 4 HM launcher or imps. If you get bored do some other stuff like exploration or low level pvp.
It will take about 6-10 months, until you can fly a Harbinger as it was meant.
Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
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Posted - 2012.04.24 14:32:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:July Oumis wrote:Please do yourself a favour and stay some time in L3 missions.
DO NOT go straight into a BS and level 4, after a while. Some L3 drop nice Loot like the meta 4 HM launcher or imps. If you get bored do some other stuff like exploration or low level pvp.
It will take about 6-10 months, until you can fly a Harbinger as it was meant. Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class.
I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game while you let your skills accumulate for bigger goals. You do not have to fly a battleship perfectly either, as they have a huge amount of tank and are very forgiving of mistakes as long as you keep your exits open and have an option (i.e., drones) to remove fast scramming frigates from your near orbit. All it takes is learning the triggers and tricks of each mission, which eve-survival helps a ton.
A low-skilled dominix with dual LAR, cheap faction hardeners, T1 Ogres, Hammerhead II's and a civilian blaster makes a ton more ISK and scrap slow-boating through level 4's than it would ever hope to make on level 3 missions, especially if you salvage as you go, which you may as well since your gun skills probably suck anyway. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
580
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:16:00 -
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Gianath wrote:
I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M BETTER AND STUPIDER THAN ANYONE (SNIP)
Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing. |

July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.24 15:30:00 -
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You won't have an advantage doing 4s, sitting in a badly skilled BS, instead of rapidly finished level 3s, in a well skilled Battlecruiser.
All those Large XYZ mods take ages to be useful... trust me |

Flakey Foont
Republic University Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2012.04.24 16:12:00 -
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Here is the thing. Racing to a larger hull lessens isk per hour. So many newer capsuleers run to BS then wonder why it takes 3 hours to do one mission as they have 30dps since they did not bother to properly train support skills.
Same applies to L3s. Once you TAKE THE TIME to train up skills they will be easy. |

Rynia Sokarad
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.24 17:18:00 -
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Gianath wrote: I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game while you let your skills accumulate for bigger goals. You do not have to fly a battleship perfectly either, as they have a huge amount of tank and are very forgiving of mistakes as long as you keep your exits open and have an option (i.e., drones) to remove fast scramming frigates from your near orbit. All it takes is learning the triggers and tricks of each mission, which eve-survival helps a ton.
A low-skilled dominix with dual LAR, cheap faction hardeners, T1 Ogres, Hammerhead II's and a civilian blaster makes a ton more ISK and scrap slow-boating through level 4's than it would ever hope to make on level 3 missions, especially if you salvage as you go, which you may as well since your gun skills probably suck anyway.
Wrong ... wrong ... wrong ... did i say wrong?
first of all, most l3 give you more money than l4 if you dont have enough skillpoints. second never ever jump into a hull without good skills, especially if you fly armor based ships like gallente and amarr (some minmatar too).
@OP posted fitting looks good, need some Rigs
look up the missions on eve survival
but you really should stick to lvl2 until you reach around 1.5 mill SP. You will get enough money and meta 3-5 Modules to get a better fitting for lvl3. Wait for the lvl4 Missions until you reach around 2-2.5 mill SP and are good enough in a BC. Even than you won't be able to do all lvl4. As soon as you can fit BS with full T2 (weapons Meta 4) you are really ready for all lvl4 (that could be around 4 Mill SP without T2 Weapons).
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
131
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Posted - 2012.04.24 17:42:00 -
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If you are in 0.0, ratting gets you much better isk than level 3 missions in hi-sec
Regarding your fit, def try to get tech 2 mods
damage controll II x 1 Heat Sink II x 2 Focused Med Pulse Weapons II or Heavy Pulse Weapons II On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |

Jonah Gravenstein
164
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Posted - 2012.04.25 06:31:00 -
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Rigs are definitely your friend, Cap Control Circuits will give you more capacitor, the nano pump increases armour repair amount
My relatively low SP Amarr alt uses this fit for lvl 3's against sansha NPC's
[Harbinger PVE]
7x Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
10MN Afterburner I Stasis Webifier I 2x Cap Recharger II
3x Heat Sink II Medium Armor Repairer I Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
5x Acolyte I 2x Infiltrator I + 1x Acolyte I
You should be able to get a constant speed tank for about 8 minutes with the armour repairer inactive and about 3 minutes of armour repair with the lasers and AB inactive
Substitute T2 items with meta 3 or 4 items if you don't have the required skills.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

miiriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.04.25 06:57:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Rigs are definitely your friend, Cap Control Circuits will give you more capacitor, the nano pump increases armour repair amount
My relatively low SP Amarr alt uses this fit for lvl 3's against sansha NPC's
[Harbinger PVE]
7x Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
10MN Afterburner I Stasis Webifier I 2x Cap Recharger II
3x Heat Sink II Medium Armor Repairer I Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II
2x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
5x Acolyte I 2x Infiltrator I + 1x Acolyte I
You should be able to get a constant speed tank for about 8 minutes with the armour repairer inactive and about 3 minutes of armour repair with the lasers and AB inactive
Substitute T2 items with meta 3 or 4 items if you don't have the required skills.
5 light drones will always be better than 2 meds and 1 light, also, whatever you do, do not use acolytes(And amarr drones in general) due to gallente drones damage modifier they're better than sansha/blood despite only hitting 2nd lowest resist
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Jonah Gravenstein
164
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Posted - 2012.04.25 07:04:00 -
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TY for the tip on the Amarr drones, Hobgoblins it is in future, generally I run with the 5 lights and only break out the mediums + 1 light for the occasional cruiser I have webbed down.
At least you didn't call my fit crap  War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
328
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Posted - 2012.04.25 15:59:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Gianath wrote:
I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M BETTER AND STUPIDER THAN ANYONE (SNIP)
Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class
This is a game, not a foreign language course. You should really be encouraged to do whatever the hell you want - sure, you'll make mistakes along the way but you'll figure out where you went wrong by yourself...no bad thing, in my opinion. |

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2012.04.25 16:37:00 -
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L3s are the time where you really want to start fitting a T2 tank, imo. If you can-¦t yet, you might want to make that a priority. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:54:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Gianath wrote:
I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M BETTER AND STUPIDER THAN ANYONE (SNIP)
Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class This is a game, not a foreign language course. You should really be encouraged to do whatever the hell you want - sure, you'll make mistakes along the way but you'll figure out where you went wrong by yourself...no bad thing, in my opinion.
He's posting on the forum asking for advice so he doesn't make stupid mistakes. Yes you can just try things till you get it right or maybe ask those who know and do it right the first time. |

Rond Dorlezahn
Tri Star Industries Li3 Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:53:00 -
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Long overdue that I thank people for the helpful replies! I think I have a better grip on fitting Amarr ships overall now, and I'm well on my way to T2 tank. In the meantime, I'll be using my babby osprey to mine while running L2 missions in my Harby. Currently using the fit suggested first, and it definitely kept me alive longer in L3s, but I can see why people are recommending the T2 tank. It may be that I got into BCs too quickly, and I definitely don't want to repeat that mistake by moving up to Battleships. I'll be cruisin' in my gold dong for a while, now.  |

AstarothPrime
Eternal Profiteers Persona Non Gratis
17
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Posted - 2012.04.26 07:44:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:L3s are the time where you really want to start fitting a T2 tank, imo. If you can-¦t yet, you might want to make that a priority.
To be more specific:
Hull upgrades to lev 5 All armor compensation skills to 3 (atleast)
you can get there in 1 week so - im amazed why u aint there yet...
Itll make your life so much easier that you will wonder what you were doing in the first place not getting them...
I. |

Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
84
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Posted - 2012.04.26 07:45:00 -
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You can run L4s in a T1 tank easily enough. The standard dual rep domi works fine, for example. Slow as balls, but still better than L3s. |

Koryvarn
Unscouted Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:59:00 -
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Running missions in Amar ships is painful stuff. I eventually gave up and trained Caldari for a Raven. With 200,000 SP in missiles and Caldari battleship 4, I was more effective than 8 million gunnery and Amarr BS 5.
These days, a Tengu is where it's at! |

Gianath
Gallentian Legitimate Businessmen
1
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Posted - 2012.05.01 05:47:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Gianath wrote:
I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH I'M BETTER AND STUPIDER THAN ANYONE (SNIP)
Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class
After reading your abusively insulting quote job there, I think I see something much worse. A very insecure person who can't handle a difference of opinion.
LOTS of people skip battlecruisers and go straight for level 4's in low-skilled battleships, and they never regret it. I gave my opinion, which I have followed on multiple characters, while respecting everybody else's viewpoint. There's no one way to play Eve, and your way is not best. Lighten up, jerk. |

serras bang
Lucien Coven
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:05:00 -
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at 1 mill sp mate your in my opinion way to low to be doing lvl 3's wait till you have trained more and get yourself to around 4 - 5 mill sp on specific combat skills for your class of ships then do lvl 3's again |

Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
110
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:05:00 -
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Gianath wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:July Oumis wrote:Please do yourself a favour and stay some time in L3 missions.
DO NOT go straight into a BS and level 4, after a while. Some L3 drop nice Loot like the meta 4 HM launcher or imps. If you get bored do some other stuff like exploration or low level pvp.
It will take about 6-10 months, until you can fly a Harbinger as it was meant. Seriously. Nothing is worse in-game than being only 'half-in' a new ship class. I disagree. Level 4's is where you get the money to advance in this game while you let your skills accumulate for bigger goals. You do not have to fly a battleship perfectly either, as they have a huge amount of tank and are very forgiving of mistakes as long as you keep your exits open and have an option (i.e., drones) to remove fast scramming frigates from your near orbit. All it takes is learning the triggers and tricks of each mission, which eve-survival helps a ton. A low-skilled dominix with dual LAR, cheap faction hardeners, T1 Ogres, Hammerhead II's and a civilian blaster makes a ton more ISK and scrap slow-boating through level 4's than it would ever hope to make on level 3 missions, especially if you salvage as you go, which you may as well since your gun skills probably suck anyway. I am sorry but getting into a BS before you mhave the proper skills just to fly lvl 4 missions is a big mistake. Yes you can complete level 4 in a BS with low skills but it will take you way way longer. you would make more isk blitzing lvl3 missions as you can complete 5-6 lvl3 missions in the time it would take you to complete one lvl 4 with poor skills.
With the right skills you can easily finish lvl 4 missions with a drake, but that does not make it efficient to do so. If you are missioning to raise isk than isk/hour is what you need to look at. LVL 4 missions are not good money if you need over an hour to finish them. Not when you can complete lvl 3 missions in 5-10 minutes. If you can not do lvl 3 missions in 5-10 minutes than than you need practice and skills or you will die in level 4 missions. |

Callis Tsero
Rage Industries LLC
4
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Posted - 2012.05.02 06:40:00 -
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When I was doing lvl2s making some isk salvaging I was following a corp mate doing lvl4s in a drake I think. He literally did it half afk with his Hob2s out in 10~ mins per room. Now I finally got my drake and I'm a day off having Hob2s but right now in my T1 gear I have 160DPS + Drones (44.5) and I attempted lvl4 missions for the luls and saw yeah, it took me literally an hour to finish one mission no surprise, but at what point does it become manageable, and what point should I get in Raven? |

Iteken Hotori
The Flowing Penguins Iron Oxide.
2
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Posted - 2012.05.02 08:53:00 -
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Callis Tsero wrote:When I was doing lvl2s making some isk salvaging I was following a corp mate doing lvl4s in a drake I think. He literally did it half afk with his Hob2s out in 10~ mins per room. Now I finally got my drake and I'm a day off having Hob2s but right now in my T1 gear I have 160DPS + Drones (44.5) and I attempted lvl4 missions for the luls and saw yeah, it took me literally an hour to finish one mission no surprise, but at what point does it become manageable, and what point should I get in Raven?
Realistically? You want all the relevant shield skills at 4. All relevant fitting and engineering skills at 4, and lots of 4's in missiles. Full T2 tank, T2 drones really help (you have them) is a good place to be - then you can work on 5'ing missile, fitting etc skills and upping to T2 damage.
Another way to test is spec up a LSB / X-LSB raven in EFT, fiddle with skills until the tank holds together well, then aim for that. |
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