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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.07 18:16:00 -
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I was playing around with an incursus today, and i noticed that the grid on it is only base 30.. i coulda sworn it was base 35. i did some comparing and i noticed that all the other races gunship frigates have either 35 or 42 grid, and all the other races missileboats have 30 grid. yet the tristan has 35 grid when it only has 2 turrets to power, and 1 launcher.
why is this? the incursus needs grid more than the tristan does, as with 1 less lowslot and 1 more turret, its harder to fit out. im not expecting to fit 3 150's or 3 neutrons without sacrifices, but the incursus most definately needs a grid boost. it looks to me as if the incursus and tristan had their powergrids swapped.
another thing i noticed that bugged me is that turret using ships didnt have significantly better grid than the launcher using ships, even though small turrets take up to 16 grid, and launchers at worst take 4.. it seems they didnt balance the grid needs for small/rocket launchers at all in frigates. even if i fit 3 150's(takes 42 grid, 75cpu) on my incursus, the kestrel will still beat it in damage, and the kestrel will only require 12 grid and 48 cpu and will beat my range easily. that i dont have a problem with.. .its the fact that the kestrel can fit it so easily.
3 150's on an incursus would take 42 grid, which necessitates a micro aux, and you will have 8 grid leftover(with eng 5).
4 small launchers on a kestrel will take 12 grid, leaving 25 grid leftover.
i dunno.. mebbe ill just go back minin
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.07 18:16:00 -
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I was playing around with an incursus today, and i noticed that the grid on it is only base 30.. i coulda sworn it was base 35. i did some comparing and i noticed that all the other races gunship frigates have either 35 or 42 grid, and all the other races missileboats have 30 grid. yet the tristan has 35 grid when it only has 2 turrets to power, and 1 launcher.
why is this? the incursus needs grid more than the tristan does, as with 1 less lowslot and 1 more turret, its harder to fit out. im not expecting to fit 3 150's or 3 neutrons without sacrifices, but the incursus most definately needs a grid boost. it looks to me as if the incursus and tristan had their powergrids swapped.
another thing i noticed that bugged me is that turret using ships didnt have significantly better grid than the launcher using ships, even though small turrets take up to 16 grid, and launchers at worst take 4.. it seems they didnt balance the grid needs for small/rocket launchers at all in frigates. even if i fit 3 150's(takes 42 grid, 75cpu) on my incursus, the kestrel will still beat it in damage, and the kestrel will only require 12 grid and 48 cpu and will beat my range easily. that i dont have a problem with.. .its the fact that the kestrel can fit it so easily.
3 150's on an incursus would take 42 grid, which necessitates a micro aux, and you will have 8 grid leftover(with eng 5).
4 small launchers on a kestrel will take 12 grid, leaving 25 grid leftover.
i dunno.. mebbe ill just go back minin
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.08.07 18:31:00 -
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Fitting railguns on an incursus? Fit blasters and compare the damage again...
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Frost88
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Posted - 2004.08.07 18:31:00 -
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Fitting railguns on an incursus? Fit blasters and compare the damage again...
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.08.07 18:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Frost88
Fitting railguns on an incursus? Fit blasters and compare the damage again...
ION blasters to be more precise 
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.08.07 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Frost88
Fitting railguns on an incursus? Fit blasters and compare the damage again...
ION blasters to be more precise
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.07 20:17:00 -
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Try this out:
3x Ion Blaster
1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scrambler
1x Tech 2 Magnetic Stabilizer
1x Whatever (only 1 pg and about 8 cpu left)
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Alowishus
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Posted - 2004.08.07 20:17:00 -
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Try this out:
3x Ion Blaster
1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scrambler
1x Tech 2 Magnetic Stabilizer
1x Whatever (only 1 pg and about 8 cpu left)
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Chith
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Posted - 2004.08.07 21:57:00 -
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The incursus is the 90K isk interceptor and requires no mega or zyd to build. I can live with only 30 powergrid -- you can really do a hell of a lot with it.
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Chith
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Posted - 2004.08.07 21:57:00 -
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The incursus is the 90K isk interceptor and requires no mega or zyd to build. I can live with only 30 powergrid -- you can really do a hell of a lot with it.
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Nimrodel
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Posted - 2004.08.07 22:08:00 -
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neutrons don't use that much
incursus is fine, i would say its massivly overpowered... is as good as either gallnate interceptor apart from the speed!
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Nimrodel
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Posted - 2004.08.07 22:08:00 -
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neutrons don't use that much
incursus is fine, i would say its massivly overpowered... is as good as either gallnate interceptor apart from the speed!
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.08.07 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Lansfear on 07/08/2004 22:13:35
The incursus is fine the way it is. Very lethal.
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Lansfear
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Posted - 2004.08.07 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Lansfear on 07/08/2004 22:13:35
The incursus is fine the way it is. Very lethal.
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.08.08 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Try this out:
3x Ion Blaster
1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scrambler
1x Tech 2 Magnetic Stabilizer
1x Whatever (only 1 pg and about 8 cpu left)
Swop the ions for neutrons regulated if CPU is a prob, the tch2 mag stab for an insulated (low cpu) and the other low slot a mcro aux power core= PWNAGE to the extreme :D
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.08.08 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
Try this out:
3x Ion Blaster
1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scrambler
1x Tech 2 Magnetic Stabilizer
1x Whatever (only 1 pg and about 8 cpu left)
Swop the ions for neutrons regulated if CPU is a prob, the tch2 mag stab for an insulated (low cpu) and the other low slot a mcro aux power core= PWNAGE to the extreme :D
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.08.08 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
Originally by: Alowishus
Try this out:
3x Ion Blaster
1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scrambler
1x Tech 2 Magnetic Stabilizer
1x Whatever (only 1 pg and about 8 cpu left)
Swop the ions for neutrons regulated if CPU is a prob, the tch2 mag stab for an insulated (low cpu) and the other low slot a mcro aux power core= PWNAGE to the extreme :D
...actually ions also work good
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Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2004.08.08 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: juduzz
Originally by: Alowishus
Try this out:
3x Ion Blaster
1x MWD
1x Web
1x Scrambler
1x Tech 2 Magnetic Stabilizer
1x Whatever (only 1 pg and about 8 cpu left)
Swop the ions for neutrons regulated if CPU is a prob, the tch2 mag stab for an insulated (low cpu) and the other low slot a mcro aux power core= PWNAGE to the extreme :D
...actually ions also work good
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Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.08.08 03:01:00 -
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Aye agreed ions are good but neutrons rock IMO anyway that was after lots of testing.
Personaly with ions i dropped the damage mod and stuck a 200mm plate in, The tracking bonus on the incursus means you can basic hit nearly anything with exilent shots so those neutron wrecking shots realy add up :D
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juduzz
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Posted - 2004.08.08 03:01:00 -
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Aye agreed ions are good but neutrons rock IMO anyway that was after lots of testing.
Personaly with ions i dropped the damage mod and stuck a 200mm plate in, The tracking bonus on the incursus means you can basic hit nearly anything with exilent shots so those neutron wrecking shots realy add up :D
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.08 04:51:00 -
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hmm... i think i wasnt clear enough. actually, now that i reread, i wasnt clear at all. anyway, i know i can do great damage with blasters.
the issue i had was that the incursus has less grid than any of the other frigate gunships. the rifter and merlin both have 35, and punisher 42.
assuming eng5, for best short range setups,
merlin has 17 grid left over(2 neutrons, 2 rocket launchers)
punisher has 19 grid left over(3 medium pulse)
rifter has 30 grid left(3 200mm, 1 rocket launcher, though ive never flown a rifter, or used projectiles so im not sure on the value of these)
incursus has 1 grid left(3 neutrons)
for long range setups,
merlin 7 grid left(2 standard launchers, 2 150's)
punisher 4 grid left(3 medium beams)
rifter 3 grid left(3 280, 1 standard launcher)
incursus short by 5 grid trying to fit 3 150's.
now that the incursus is the most damaging at close range im not disputing, and i know i can fit 125mm rails or ions. what im wondering is why the incursus is the only tier 3 frigate that cant fit a full compliment of its hardest to fit weapons without the use of grid mods(all 7 of the other tier 3 frigs can.. check it out for yourself).
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.08 04:51:00 -
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hmm... i think i wasnt clear enough. actually, now that i reread, i wasnt clear at all. anyway, i know i can do great damage with blasters.
the issue i had was that the incursus has less grid than any of the other frigate gunships. the rifter and merlin both have 35, and punisher 42.
assuming eng5, for best short range setups,
merlin has 17 grid left over(2 neutrons, 2 rocket launchers)
punisher has 19 grid left over(3 medium pulse)
rifter has 30 grid left(3 200mm, 1 rocket launcher, though ive never flown a rifter, or used projectiles so im not sure on the value of these)
incursus has 1 grid left(3 neutrons)
for long range setups,
merlin 7 grid left(2 standard launchers, 2 150's)
punisher 4 grid left(3 medium beams)
rifter 3 grid left(3 280, 1 standard launcher)
incursus short by 5 grid trying to fit 3 150's.
now that the incursus is the most damaging at close range im not disputing, and i know i can fit 125mm rails or ions. what im wondering is why the incursus is the only tier 3 frigate that cant fit a full compliment of its hardest to fit weapons without the use of grid mods(all 7 of the other tier 3 frigs can.. check it out for yourself).
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Bigfoot Hunter
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Posted - 2004.08.08 05:08:00 -
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Your comparing it to the wrong frigs the tristan is the top of the line gallente frig even if the incurses is cooler. you should be comparing it to like the kestral. If you ? this buy the bpo to both see which bpo is more expensive and see which one is more expensive to build. Also i think the tristan has more hitpoints and such.
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Bigfoot Hunter
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Posted - 2004.08.08 05:08:00 -
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Your comparing it to the wrong frigs the tristan is the top of the line gallente frig even if the incurses is cooler. you should be comparing it to like the kestral. If you ? this buy the bpo to both see which bpo is more expensive and see which one is more expensive to build. Also i think the tristan has more hitpoints and such.
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.08 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cutter John on 08/08/2004 05:28:14
eww.. i never thought of that. never paid attention to the bp cost. incursus just seemed to naturally be the gunship on par with punisher/merlin/rifter, an the tristan the missile frig on par with the breacher/kestrel/inquisitor. can we add a third turret to the tristan at least then, seeing as its kinda undergunned.
actually, that doesnt really make sense how they have it setup, as the other races have a missileboat and a gunship.. but the gallente have 2 gunships. nowonder im confused 
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Cutter John
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Posted - 2004.08.08 05:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cutter John on 08/08/2004 05:28:14
eww.. i never thought of that. never paid attention to the bp cost. incursus just seemed to naturally be the gunship on par with punisher/merlin/rifter, an the tristan the missile frig on par with the breacher/kestrel/inquisitor. can we add a third turret to the tristan at least then, seeing as its kinda undergunned.
actually, that doesnt really make sense how they have it setup, as the other races have a missileboat and a gunship.. but the gallente have 2 gunships. nowonder im confused
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.08.08 09:13:00 -
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Well if tristan had 3 turrets+launcher nobody would fly an incursus would it? 
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2004.08.08 09:13:00 -
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Well if tristan had 3 turrets+launcher nobody would fly an incursus would it?
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