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mufasa73
Masterwork Productions Inc
Stargate Experiment 626
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Posted - 2009.02.18 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: mufasa73 on 18/02/2009 04:28:07
The Stargate Experiment 626 [626] alliance hereby condemns the Curatores Veritatis Alliance [CVA] for their backstabbing politics, having, without prior notice, wrongfully and maliciously attacked our pilots based on unverified intelligence and heresay, rejecting their own policies in doing so.
mufasa73
Diplomat, Stargate Experiment 626 |
Amandi Casimi
Amarr
Celestial Janissaries
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.18 04:46:00 -
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Your leadership was informed in the change in status of your alliance. In fact, it was your leadership's actions that caused your alliance to become KOS to CVA.
If you wish to discuss why you specifically are now hostile in CVA space, please contact myself. I would be happy to speak to you personally on this matter.
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Let neutrals be neutrals.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.18 04:55:00 -
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More specifically, an incident involving the warp scrambling of named jet-cans led to aggression by -7- pilots against 626. When the issue was brought to CVA's attention through diplomatic channels in a discussion involving both -7- and 626 leadership, 626 representatives became hostile and disrespectful...even as
Garreck checks the log to be sure
...yes. Even as -7- directly offered to lay off, 626 continued with insults and generally unfriendly behavior.
So it was decided in that very discussion that 626 would be treated unfriendly in return and the alliance was set red and told they were no longer welcome in Providence.
If 626 wish to peacefully resolve the situation, private diplomatic contact should be re-established. Otherwise, we stand by the decision to set 626 red. "NRDS" is not grounds to behave however you wish and say whatever you wish in Holy Amarrian Providence while abusing the intent of our policies.
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O Thief
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.18 13:04:00 -
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So now, not 'saying the right things' is enough to merit a red standing from CVA? I recall the days you used to have to actually pirate or some such for this accolade.
You really must be more desperate for excitment than even I had imagined!
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.18 13:06:00 -
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 Originally by: O Thief
I recall the days you used to have to actually pirate or some such for this accolade
Your memory is defective.
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Gracchus Smythe
Minmatar
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.18 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief
So now, not 'saying the right things' is enough to merit a red standing from CVA? I recall the days you used to have to actually pirate or some such for this accolade.
You really must be more desperate for excitment than even I had imagined!
What you fail to understand, since you run with dogs and have no concept of guidelines. 626 actions led to the conflict. When given a chance for peaceful solution 626 rather let their pride goad them to further acts of rash behavior. This is not acceptable. CVA works to maintain a thing called order and stability, yes a unknown concept to the tribes. Instead others allowed their emotions to cloud their judgment.
How can I put it so you can understand? A child may see fire(I am sure you have started to master this technology)and he may want to play with it, or touch it. He can be told countless times that it may cause him harm, yet when the adult's back is turned he runs off the to play with this fire again. It is not till this child get burned that he understand the adults point. This is the case here and instead of seeking peaceful resolutions to this matter the child can here to throw his tantrum, and claim how unfair it is.
Now go play with the other children, but play nicely. There are many others who need looking after so I doubt there is any more need for excitement.
I do not speak for CVA only for myself, and how the clear trail of evidence shows what had transpired.
May the great spirit smile upon you. And may you recognize the gifts trying to be bestowed upon you.
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I live to serve, Denique Ammataria!
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Mattduk
Gallente
Universal Army
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.18 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Gracchus Smythe
I do not speak for CVA only for myself...
Wouldn't you need to at least be a card carrying member to be able to do that?
Bravo, 626!! Welcome to the light that is the struggle for freedom from the tyranny of the dark holders of Providence.
I salute your decision, and welcome you to the front lines.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
TalCorp Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.18 19:31:00 -
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I have close friends in 626. I also support CVA. Having seen and heard both sides of this little spat as it developed, I can only conclude that it's one of those unfortunate situations where everybody over-reacts a little and both sides' diplos are more willing to throw insults than solutions around.
A pity, as both are largely filled with strong, courageous, and upstanding pilots.
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Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you.
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mufasa73
Masterwork Productions Inc
Stargate Experiment 626
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Posted - 2009.02.18 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
More specifically, an incident involving the warp scrambling of named jet-cans led to aggression by -7- pilots against 626. When the issue was brought to CVA's attention through diplomatic channels in a discussion involving both -7- and 626 leadership, 626 representatives became hostile and disrespectful...even as
Garreck checks the log to be sure
...yes. Even as -7- directly offered to lay off, 626 continued with insults and generally unfriendly behavior.
So it was decided in that very discussion that 626 would be treated unfriendly in return and the alliance was set red and told they were no longer welcome in Providence.
If 626 wish to peacefully resolve the situation, private diplomatic contact should be re-established. Otherwise, we stand by the decision to set 626 red. "NRDS" is not grounds to behave however you wish and say whatever you wish in Holy Amarrian Providence while abusing the intent of our policies.
The part that irritates me about the whole situation, is that if CVA are supposed to be "Holier Than Thou", shouldn't they have taken the higher ground and worked harder to resolve the issue, since it was -7-, by your own words, that was the cause of the escalation. 626 pilots will not tolerate being fired upon by anyone, and will defend what is ours to the bitter end. If anyone should have been set to negative, it should have been -7- for initiating the hostilities. Regarding our pilots warp scrambling a can, they were merely doing a training exercise for some of the newer pilots. If the hotheaded pilots in -7- cannot tell when they are actually being attacked, then perhaps you should look in the mirror before you call anyone primitive.
And to continue, why did you not contact a 626 Diplomat, instead of talking to the fleet commander, who you already knew was a hothead? So much for higher sensibilities.
mufasa73
Diplomat, Stargate Experiment 626 |
dame death
Minmatar
lost and confused
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Posted - 2009.02.19 00:17:00 -
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Hmm mabey I should move back down to provi seems like things are about to become intresting.
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Adeptus mecanicus
The Flaming Sideburn's
CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:47:00 -
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well im a hardliner.....so anyone that feels that they are being mistreated by CVA (due to having dealings with them) realy dosent give me any pang's of compassion of their hardship.
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Becq Starforged
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.19 04:10:00 -
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Welcome to the fight, 626!
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Becq Starforged
The Flame of Freedom Burns On! |
Jeats Cheats
Minmatar
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
More specifically, an incident involving the warp scrambling of named jet-cans led to aggression by -7- pilots against 626. When the issue was brought to CVA's attention through diplomatic channels in a discussion involving both -7- and 626 leadership, 626 representatives became hostile and disrespectful...even as
Scambling some cans and being heated in a conversation is now worth a -10... Sounds like an excuse to gank a jump freighter.
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Sirius A
StarFleet Enterprises
StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.19 18:55:00 -
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truth be told 626 fleet were locking neuts at the dital/kbp gate. When asked to stop they began to talk smack to the high level command staff of -7-...bad move
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myrddhyn
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:28:00 -
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I have close friends in 626. I also support CVA. Having seen and heard both sides of this little spat as it developed, I can only conclude that it's one of those unfortunate situations where everybody over-reacts a little and both sides' diplos are more willing to throw insults than solutions around.
A pity, as both are largely filled with strong, courageous, and upstanding pilots.
I agree with this.
A real shame, and perhaps a missed chance. I wish people would keep their tempers under control. But prob that is very eutopic
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666Devious
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Posted - 2009.02.20 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: 666Devious on 20/02/2009 12:26:03
First, 626 has never downed a neut or blue ship. As per Cva law "No pilot, corporation or alliance shall initiate an attack against another unless that pilot, corporation or alliance is expressly wanted on the Deliverance KOS List." No matter what happened -7- did not have authorization to engaged unless they were attacked. Secondly, their reason for attacking is because we didn't leave from their area fast enough after members of my alliance had words in local. Which, in accordance to Cva law "Greater Providence is open for transit, commerce, faction bounty hunting and asteroid mining to all pilots, corporations, and alliances who obey the law." Once I arrived at the location of the hostilities, which was right before -7- opened fire on the fleet, I gave orders for fleet members to disengage. I was pulled into a diplomatic convo with Pezzle and a representative of -7-. While working the matter out -7- poped and podded another member of my fleet. While in an attempt at a diplomatic resolution members insulted and cussed at eachother and pointed fingers. Also the request of having Dirka in the conversation, was just asking for escalation of the problem since all opposing members have had a history with his mouth, but not his actions. Dirkas actions never cost you one ship, how many ships have we lost to Cva. Cva talks about respect and honor and yet they keep telling their members that we are red for shooting neuts, if you are so righteous why must you lie?
http://img32.picoodle.com/img/img32/3/2/20/f_proofm_b503b70.png
Pezzle I told you that my pilots will never scram a can again, and I will keep up my part of the agreement.
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666Devious
Sinister Elite
Stargate Experiment 626
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Posted - 2009.02.20 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gracchus Smythe
Edited by: Gracchus Smythe on 19/02/2009 07:12:55
When given a chance for peaceful solution 626 rather let their pride goad them to further acts of rash behavior. This is not acceptable.
During the convo with CVA/-7-
[ 2009.02.04 05:01:56 ] Pezzle > I know you lived here.
?[ 2009.02.04 05:01:58 ] captain dirka > and have been thus far even though we have been engaged 2 times and have taken losses
?[ 2009.02.04 05:02:12 ] 666Devious > and they killed another guy right now
?[ 2009.02.04 05:02:19 ] captain dirka > i expect those losses to be re-imbursed and this non-sense of kos be dropped
?[ 2009.02.04 05:02:20 ] Pezzle > because members of your gang were doing very dumb things and they should know better
?[ 2009.02.04 05:03:05 ] captain dirka > now they are killing a sac taht has been running trying to not engage and or be engaged
?[ 2009.02.04 05:03:13 ] Pezzle > and dammit Angarad if we are in here trying to work things out having your people shooting in the meantime is not fuc king helping
?[ 2009.02.04 05:03:19 ] captain dirka > i will expect that to be re-imbursed aswell
?[ 2009.02.04 05:03:29 ] captain dirka > the killmail will be made public
?[ 2009.02.04 05:03:33 ] captain dirka > they just podded him aswell
?[ 2009.02.04 05:03:46 ] Angarad > I cant control all my alliance, I believe I said they were already red to us.
?[ 2009.02.04 05:03:48 ] captain dirka > i will link you all lossmails and will expect those losses to be contracted back.
?[ 2009.02.04 05:03:56 ] Pezzle > ....
?[ 2009.02.04 05:03:57 ] Angarad > i am not hunting them, I am sitting on a gate
?[ 2009.02.04 05:04:03 ] captain dirka > you can controly your alliance by telling them to hold fire
?[ 2009.02.04 05:04:08 ] Pezzle > so make them unkos
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Namaraa
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Posted - 2009.02.20 16:13:00 -
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Unfortuantly it seems 626's response to this is to continue roaming in Providence and attacking residents there. I do not understand why they do this as it does not help their request at all.
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Equinox Daedalus
Caldari
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.20 21:48:00 -
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sadly going to the summit forums is not really the best way to get my or cva's attention in a postive manner.
Thou I welcome you to plead your case here it will not change the decision made by cva in regards to your standings.
The eve universe is a big place, I'm sure you'll find a place to settle in.
The Legion of Spoon : Upon wings of wax I fly, never to close too the sun |
O Thief
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.02.20 22:12:00 -
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Really. Think about it.
What choice do CVA have?
Long gone are the days when the Golden Fleets patrolled Providence, full of zealous religious freaks with fire in their belly. They have been replaced by old, fat priests, who either know little of combat or have the motivation to patrol their own space.
Severance is a far more active 'peace keeper' in Providence. CVA had no choice but to fall on their side of the fence.
They are the new rules of Providence. You can indeed be set red by simply saying the wrong thing, or locking someone without shooting. A sad day indeed.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.21 00:54:00 -
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Another group has it's eyes open to the nature of the Providence Block. Another corp finds that they are now branded as Pirates for no more reason than saying their mind. Thousands more die to sate the ego of the CVA. The open secret that is the corruption of the CVA's NRDS policy is bought to light again for all to see. More hands turn against the mighty enemy. Bit by bit the reputation of the once glorified new age Holders is stripped away to show the petty greed and vindictiveness at their heart.
In the name of the empire they came and declared space free for everyone and people looked upon it as a shining beacon of what could be. The Empire's extension into Null Security space could have been what was dreamt of by the masses even if it was built on the blood out countless millions of slaves. The conflict to claim providence from the Ushra'Khan and their friends was a tale in betrayal itself but the greater betrayal was the dashing of hope that happened after.
Now we see clearly the tatters of banner upon the battlements. For that is what their is despite their assurances. Battlements to keep out those who might have other ideas. Who might not wish to destroy those who CVA's leaders deem "unfit" for their space. Who might not believe that someone is guilty of crimes without proof. The Battlements of Providence are bloodstained with the blood of those betrayed. The souls of the countless victims of convince wail for succor to the void.
Again another group hears the Clarion Call of truth.
What is next for Stargate Experiment 626? Do they run away from the field gnashing their teeth at there misfortune in trusting those whom duplicity is a virtue to be nurtured? Or do they stand with others for the sake of true freedom? Time will tell the results of this unfaithful action. Time we have to see the end of the Providence Holders. May the fires burn a little brighter until they become a conflagration.
Human Victor.
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.21 02:51:00 -
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Of course only a tiny portion of this tale is being told by those now complaining here. CVA does not and will not engage in diplomacy on this forum.
It was my decision. If you have a problem with the decision you deal with it privately.
Here is a hint. The path to favorable outcomes is not one that starts with blatant piracy when your first attempt does not yield the result you want.
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mufasa73
Gallente
Masterwork Productions Inc
Stargate Experiment 626
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Posted - 2009.02.21 17:49:00 -
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[ 2009.02.04 05:03:46 ] Angarad > I cant control all my alliance, I believe I said they were already red to us.
Speaks volumes for the type of people in charge in the Providence Bloc
mufasa73
Diplomat, Stargate Experiment 626 |
mufasa73
Gallente
Masterwork Productions Inc
Stargate Experiment 626
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Posted - 2009.02.21 17:50:00 -
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[ 2009.02.04 05:03:46 ] Angarad > I cant control all my alliance, I believe I said they were already red to us.
Speaks volumes for the type of people in charge in the Providence Bloc
mufasa73
Diplomat, Stargate Experiment 626 |
Davlos
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
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Posted - 2009.02.21 22:59:00 -
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Warp scrambling of jetcans???!!!!
You're a legion of clowns, CVA.
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Scientific category of gravitation fields and velocity is force....
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Sweet Laylah
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Posted - 2009.02.22 08:26:00 -
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Venomire
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jeats Cheats
Sounds like an excuse to gank a jump freighter.
You need an excuse?
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Saint Hauler
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Posted - 2009.02.22 10:22:00 -
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It is no secret that CVA's NRDS policy is a farce - usually, they tend to use their pirate pets -7- to engage neutral, law abiding citizens, then claiming the attack was coming from the neutrals.
My best advice is to get over it - they won't give in to facts anyhow...
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
CCP
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Posted - 2009.02.22 19:28:00 -
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The post containing the chat log was removed to enable the thread to continue.
This is a known issue and we are working on it.
Mitnal
Community Representative
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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666Devious
Sinister Elite
Stargate Experiment 626
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Posted - 2009.02.22 20:43:00 -
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626 did not post seeking a diplomatic resolution, but to let every one know, that do not support us, that their actions will not go unanswered. We want the people that turned their backs on us to know we are red, so there is no surprise when we kill them. Having honor requires first that your enemies know who you are before you do battle. Like the countless others we flew with in fleets and even saved them when other reds attacked them. Instead they just went off of cva's word and attack without reason. I also dont need to contact or have anyone else of my alliance contact anyone representing cva to know the reason of why we are red. I informed everyone in my alliance and that I consider freinds of the situation. I would expect cva not to spread falsehoods and let it be known why we are red. Cva doesn't need to tell anyone in private that we are red, the standing is for every one in providence to see. Cva needs to tell every one in the open why we are red. Better yet, Cva needs to tell which of these rules 626 broke to become red.
Greater Providence is open for transit, commerce, faction bounty hunting and asteroid mining to all pilots, corporations, and alliances who obey the law
If attacked, lawful pilots, corporations and alliances may defend themselves to the fullest extent of their ability
No pilot, corporation or alliance shall conduct piracy
No pilot, corporation or alliance shall extort, blackmail or give ransoms
No pilot, corporation or alliance shall use macro or macro-type aides which are forbidden under the EULA
No pilot, corporation or alliance shall defraud or swindle to obtain ISK, an object, rights or anything of value belonging to another
No pilot, corporation or alliance shall initiate an attack against another unless that pilot, corporation or alliance is expressly wanted on the Deliverance KOS List
No pilot, corporation or alliance shall anchor a station or outpost without the express permission of the constellations Administrator
Corporations shall be held accountable for the actions of their pilots and Alliances shall be held accountable for the actions of their corporations
CONCORD sanctioned wars shall not release a pilot, corporation or alliance from adherence to the law
The High Magistrate shall mediate all challenges and disputes and his/her ruling in such matters shall be final and conclusive
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