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General Esylium
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:08:00 -
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Hi
For testing purpose I suggest removing some of the skillr equirements for flying T3 ships on sisi to allow more people to test them, for example navigation V and even cruiser V because these skills prevent a large number of players from testing, therefore less reports and less feed back. I am NOT suggesting removing them from the actual apocrypha expansion, just on sisi to allow more people to test it.
Regards.
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Excessive Force
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:29:00 -
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I know a great many folks have suggested very rapidly accelerated training times on Sisi. Especially when people want to mess around with the T3 ships... while getting Cruiser V alone can take almost a month of training.
Given that Sisi is totally separate from TQ, and any training there would have no impact on the "real" game world. Besides, all your accelerated skills would revert to normal the next time they cloned the server for the next test run. --- Don't take my ranting personally. I may just be arguing the topic, unless you're saying something stupid, and then I mean every word. "Players don't want Variety. They want THE BEST" |
Aaron Tal
Gallente Dark Hope Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 02:57:00 -
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I understand why they don't want to remove skill reqs on SiSi. But I think they should at least drop the training times a bit. I won't be able to test T3 till after the expansion even comes out.
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Puk Jinn
Tempestas Oriens Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.02.19 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron Tal But I think they should at least drop the training times a bit. I won't be able to test T3 till after the expansion even comes out.
I donŠt want to be the ass that spoils your fun of toying around on sisi like we all do...but as youŠre refering to "testing t3"...T3 skill needs are ultra! low in my opinion, so please donŠt get me wrong, but what qualifies you to judge about good or bad if you donŠt even meet this low requirements and have never flown or fittet a T2 cruiser.
fly safe puk
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.02.19 04:26:00 -
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Edited by: Shun Makoto on 19/02/2009 04:26:10
Originally by: Puk Jinn
what qualifies you to judge about good or bad if you donŠt even meet this low requirements and have never flown or fit a T2 cruiser.
I honestly don't see why this should have any effect on what makes a good tester or not.
I know a great many players that can't fly T2 ships but yet they still know a great deal about the fields of PvE, PvP and other things.
Just cause you haven't flown a T2 Cruiser before shouldn't mean "ZOMG YOUR A N00B LOL NO T3 TESTING FOR JOO"
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Matt G
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.19 04:30:00 -
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Edited by: Matt G on 19/02/2009 04:30:26 Aaron Tal -
I think that using T3 ships is a privilege that only the skilled get. Why don't you have cruiser 5 anyways?! You are gonna sit there and complain, but yet when the expansion does come out, you are going to have to wait for cruiser 5 to compete anyways. why don't you just train it and be over with it?
----- Nuff said. Troubleshoot my mind if I sound stupid.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.02.19 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Shun Makoto on 19/02/2009 04:33:40 Maybe if I'm able to test what T3 is capable of I can decide if doing Cruiser 5 is worth it for getting T3 ships.
As well maybe support skills are more important to me then just moving straight to T2 Ships. If I can blow up a T2 ship with a T1 that costs half as much then so much the better.
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Matt G
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2009.02.19 04:53:00 -
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why don't you just get frigate 5 and cruiser 5 anyways? opens up so many more opportunities for ships.
----- Nuff said. Troubleshoot my mind if I sound stupid.
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Sh0rt3y
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Posted - 2009.02.19 05:16:00 -
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Edited by: S***t3y on 19/02/2009 05:20:04
Originally by: Matt G Edited by: Matt G on 19/02/2009 04:30:26 Aaron Tal -
I think that using T3 ships is a privilege that only the skilled get. Why don't you have cruiser 5 anyways?! You are gonna sit there and complain, but yet when the expansion does come out, you are going to have to wait for cruiser 5 to compete anyways. why don't you just train it and be over with it?
Oh yea, because obviously if you train cruiser V on the test server its going to vert over to TQ (NOT)....A bit wayward response IMO and "IF" you directed that comment towards TQ your even more ******ed cuz then you'd have to wait for a new mirror. Just an epic fail in your response, and besides what if people want to test out other racial variants of the T3 and happen to find a bug, I believe it would be a win-win for CCP. Not only do they get a bug out of it but it also gets to let people know if they want to train another cruiser V skill.
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Taunting Yu
Gallente Hephaestus Technologies
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Posted - 2009.02.19 05:19:00 -
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For advanced technology ships, yes, t3 cruisers are pretty low (compare to any command, interdictor, or battleship class t2), though they aren't as low as some others. As a comparison, t3 cruisers fall between Heavy Assault Ships (longer) and Logistics and Recon (shorter). (Note that I'm not including support skills here.)
As a combat pilot, Electronics and Engineering should be driven to 5 as soon as allowed in a skill plan to improve ship fitting. Everyone will also benefit from Navigation and Mechanic to 5 and should have those there quickly if they think about it. Shield Operation is another that is a must have for those where it is a requirement, but since it only needs a 3, it isn't so stressful. Gunnery is the only skill that many pilots won't have to 5 as some will focus primarily on missiles or drones as a damage source. However, if you aren't flying t2 ships yet (requiring cruiser 5), can you really give reasonable feedback on the quality and balance issues of t3 ships?
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Sh0rt3y
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Posted - 2009.02.19 05:23:00 -
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If I remeber correctly the TEST SERVER isn't about reasonable feed back. It's about finding bugs that way TQ isn't filled with them. It doesn't matter if others don't have the required skills yet to fly T3 ships.
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Lucas Tigh
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.19 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: S***t3y If I remeber correctly the TEST SERVER isn't about reasonable feed back. It's about finding bugs that way TQ isn't filled with them. It doesn't matter if others don't have the required skills yet to fly T3 ships.
...but finding said bugs is much easier with a larger bug testing force. And a larger bug testing force can be easily had by somehow lowering the entry barrier to new additions in expansions (or boosting skill training time, or something).
/signed
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Sh0rt3y
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Posted - 2009.02.19 05:26:00 -
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Exactly my point. Which others disagree with, which makes no sense I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about lower skill training time to make that happen.
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Lucas Tigh
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.19 05:29:00 -
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Ah, I misread your post. Taken out of context, it seemed against, when you were actually for.
It helps if you quote people.
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Sh0rt3y
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Posted - 2009.02.19 05:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Tigh Ah, I misread your post. Taken out of context, it seemed against, when you were actually for.
It helps if you quote people.
Heheh, lol sry.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.02.19 05:33:00 -
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Quote: ...If I remeber correctly the TEST SERVER isn't about reasonable feed back. It's about finding bugs that way TQ isn't filled with them. It doesn't matter if others don't have the required skills yet to fly T3 ships...
...finding said bugs is much easier with a larger bug testing force...
QFE/QFT
/SIGNED
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Tai Shea
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Posted - 2009.02.19 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Puk Jinn
Originally by: Aaron Tal But I think they should at least drop the training times a bit. I won't be able to test T3 till after the expansion even comes out.
I donŠt want to be the ass that spoils your fun of toying around on sisi like we all do...but as youŠre refering to "testing t3"...T3 skill needs are ultra! low in my opinion, so please donŠt get me wrong, but what qualifies you to judge about good or bad if you donŠt even meet this low requirements and have never flown or fittet a T2 cruiser.
fly safe puk
If I remember correctly the article in EON, stated explicitly, that the modular T3 ships ARE NOT meant to make T1 and T2 ships obsolete, that is not what CCP wants. They want to give the podpilot a better way to make a more unique and fitting ship for the exact role the pilot wants to play.
So even though they are labeled T3, They are no way meant to be superior to everything else, they can just be tailored to your own exact needs, so yeah I dont think you should HAVE to be an ace with a T2 cruiser just to test a T3. I think they should either make the training times faster, or temporarily drop the lvl 5 cruiser requirement... after all, the more that test it, the less bugs make it through to final release surely. It doesnt bother me personally, I already ghave lvl 5 trained for recon cruisers, but I can see the other point of view that some will never get to test the T3 gear, if they truely want to test it and help out... rather than just get to play it before release.
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Vincent Jarjadian
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Posted - 2009.02.19 10:34:00 -
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just buy some +5s for 100 ISK each and you'll train faster
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.19 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Tigh
Originally by: S***t3y If I remeber correctly the TEST SERVER isn't about reasonable feed back. It's about finding bugs that way TQ isn't filled with them. It doesn't matter if others don't have the required skills yet to fly T3 ships.
...but finding said bugs is much easier with a larger bug testing force. And a larger bug testing force can be easily had by somehow lowering the entry barrier to new additions in expansions (or boosting skill training time, or something).
/signed
The problem of implementing accelerate training is that one of the things that is under testing (especially with this expansion with the accelerate training for the new players and the skill queue) is the training system.
Even when there are not official changes to the skill system in a patch it still necessary to verify that some other change (added skill for new items, changes in any implants and so on) hasn't messed with the training system, so the Des have stated in the past that accelerate training on Sisi will not be implemented.
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testttt11212
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Posted - 2009.02.20 00:13:00 -
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guys please you're missing the point here.
the idea is to allow more people to test T3 ships on test server, file more bug reports, give more feedback on balancing issues and stuff like that. I myself fly most T2 cruisers and command ships, navigation V is delaying my test 5 days, and could be delaying hundred others who don't have cruiser V, thus reducing the feedback from testing.
this is NOT about flying or enjoying the ship!
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Aaron Tal
Gallente Dark Hope Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.20 00:28:00 -
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Edited by: Aaron Tal on 20/02/2009 00:28:34 also. I've trained a lot of learning skills over the past little while. But. When they did the mirror I hadn't so I lost all of those and have to start again. That's why I can't test it in a reasonable timeframe
And I just want to try to weed out some bugs on T3 ships, not just fly around in one to say I did
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xVx dreadnaught
Caldari Xcellence Vs Xtreme
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Posted - 2009.02.20 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: xVx dreadnaught on 20/02/2009 01:06:37 I had a really lucky bug, it used to happen all the time with Sisi like 4 years ago!
Where what ever skill I'm learning, when the Downtime happens its completed for me :D I was so happy to see it knock off 4 days from nav 5 :P
Personally I don't think T3 are worth the effort! if/when you die in it. you lose skill points from subsytems! which utterly sucks!
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.20 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Karrade Krise on 20/02/2009 01:13:09
Originally by: xVx dreadnaught Edited by: xVx dreadnaught on 20/02/2009 01:06:37 I had a really lucky bug, it used to happen all the time with Sisi like 4 years ago!
Where what ever skill I'm learning, when the Downtime happens its completed for me :D I was so happy to see it knock off 4 days from nav 5 :P
Personally I don't think T3 are worth the effort! if/when you die in it. you lose skill points from subsytems! which utterly sucks!
So THATS where my nav points went!
Also, if the points are such a big deal to you, then keep them all at level 1...
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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El Huapo
Gallente Class V
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Posted - 2009.02.20 02:11:00 -
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This thread is baloney. If you want to test so bad, then you should go and test something you have the skills for. New player experience comes to mind. There is no reason to change the game mechanics. If you don't have the skills, then train them on SISI, and if it's that important to you to test something then train it on TQ.
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