During the sansha Live events a while back, it was hinted that Nation had an active presence in Jove space. To this date it is unknown if it was an occupation or shelter. There were reported fights in jove space, but according to data recieved, not against the Jove!
This has increased the mystery around the Jove, did they truly vanish, letting Nation take their abandoned space? Or have they called on Nation (who posseses advanced technology) to aid them against an unknown enemy? (the ones the Jove fear)

Given the IG source of this information was location agents, I think it is safe to assume IC that it is Sansha miss-information/propaganda.

The Sansha presence in Jovian space was a snafu caused by the dev's mobilising in Jove space before teleporting themselves to incursion sites and players reading more into this than intended.

Given the IG source of this information was location agents, I think it is safe to assume IC that it is Sansha miss-information/propaganda.

The picture that the live events team gave to Mouse Nell to release would disagree with you.

During the sansha Live events a while back, it was hinted that Nation had an active presence in Jove space. To this date it is unknown if it was an occupation or shelter. There were reported fights in jove space, but according to data recieved, not against the Jove!
This has increased the mystery around the Jove, did they truly vanish, letting Nation take their abandoned space? Or have they called on Nation (who posseses advanced technology) to aid them against an unknown enemy? (the ones the Jove fear)

Do the Jovians fear the sleepers? Or is there another threat we have yet to be informed of?

Well the Sleepers created a dream scape for their entire race to sleep and dream while their sleeper drones protected them in wormhole space. Two Sleepers that are active in New Eden that we know of . One is The Broker...(( Sansha Nation found one of The Brokers asteroid bunkers in deep space, alot of info helped Sansha Nation advance and now these Incursions we see is the effects)) The other Sleeper is inside the head of Jamyl Sarum.
Now about The Sleepers. They are ancient Jove. They are the Jovian ancestors and Elders. The Sleepers created all the Stargates, they were the original occupants in the Curse region and they were the ones that destroyed the Amarr fleets at Vak'atioth. The Jove just sat and watched.

Does CCP has any plans to extend the Joves to any action in-game? I feel like they are simply a gimmick lost in a whole lot of stuff CCP put on the game, and they are BEHIND the backburner. Looks like to me.

Gouzu Kho, you saiu Templar one. Is there any other reading I could do to grasp a little more on the Jovians and how they work on the universe?

Gouzu Kho, you say Templar one. Is there any other reading I could do to grasp a little more on the Jovians and how they work on the universe?

No, the picture does not, all it proved is that a fleet existed .

The location as Jove space came from locator agents run on True slaves.

It's also been pointed out by devsDED that Sansha were (are) not in control of Jove space.

1. They disconnected their space because, frankly, they wanted to be left alone and the rest of the cluster wasn't looking to good on being willing to agree to leaving them alone. Vak'atioth probably didn't help much on convincing them that open borders was a good policy either.

2. The Jove had a delegation at CONCORD; however, they may not have interacted through this bureau for some time. Arguably, the last time the Jove hand was at work in the cluster was during the distribution of the Apotheosis unique shuttle a few years back. The last time there was direct, open Jovian interaction between the rest of the cluster was some 5+ years ago, during the old live events.

3. Will they ever reopen their region? Well, considering there are many hints that the Jovians are either moved on from their current territory or gone entirely, it seems unlikely. Even if the Jove are there, the rest of the cluster is populated by a bunch of squabbling empires who can't stop arguing even when they are all invaded by a megalomaniac cyberneticist, and all interspersed by several hundred thousand nearly-immortal independent beings piloting immense starships with nothing stopping them but their own whims. A significant fraction of these have apparently succumbed to either megalomania of their own or complete psychosis.

Would you open your borders?

Fear may be why they haven't reopened their regions -- I don't think that the Jovians could take on capsuleers head-to-head. The last time we heard from them, they had four titans, and I don't see them building any more just to sit around and do nothing. While their subcapitals are certainly fearsome, I doubt that their navy is in the same state it was at the time of the Amarr war. They have a disease to fight; they don't want to worry about cloaked capsuleer cyno hictors waiting to gank them just for the fun of it.

They pushed the capsuleer technology on New Eden to further their own goals, as has been suggest elsewhere it probably has more to do with needing augmented capsuleers of sufficient skill-level for them to use to circumvent their desease.

IE let new Eden have the capsule technology, wait about 10 years for them to 'skill up' to a sufficient level to be able to house a Jove consciousness, and then take the clones and implant them with Jovians.

Major Spoilers!!! READERS WERE WARNED!

Have you seen Inception? In that movie, someone could create a dream for the dreamer to dream in... Yeah I get confused too lol

Well the Sleepers created a dream scape for their entire race to sleep and dream while their sleeper drones protected them in wormhole space. Two Sleepers that are active in New Eden that we know of . One is The Broker...(( Sansha Nation found one of The Brokers asteroid bunkers in deep space, alot of info helped Sansha Nation advance and now these Incursions we see is the effects)) The other Sleeper is inside the head of Jamyl Sarum.
Now about The Sleepers. They are ancient Jove. They are the Jovian ancestors and Elders. The Sleepers created all the Stargates, they were the original occupants in the Curse region and they were the ones that destroyed the Amarr fleets at Vak'atioth. The Jove just sat and watched.

The sleepers also didn't create all the stargate, the ancient Jove where far from the only race to come through the EVE gate. And of all those races the Jove where the least technologically advanced.

To answer the question from Arkturus McFadden, there is no evidence that the jove and sleepers are at war, but from reading Templar One, I did get the impression that the Jovians feel, or felt, that the sleepers (or the them the architects) abandoned them to their fate when the jovian disease hit them.

Their real enemy, that has only been hinted at, are the Enheduanni, who are also related to the ancient Jove when they came through the EVE gate (the sleepers where the architects, the Jovians the people, and the Enheduanni those chosen to take care of all the sleeping jovians and architects during the journey to their new worlds). Their motives are not very clear to me, in TO it is said they see themselves as the caretakers of all humans now, and manipulate all the races.

At least thats what I got out of reading templar one.

When it comes to Templar One, I really wouldn't consider it 'canon' lore. It glosses over too much and assumes way too much that we as capsuleers could never find out. And isn't that what EVE is supposed to be about? Us as players, not the devs/CCP (I think it was a CCP venture?) telling us the exact story, which clashes with what we know and worked out in AJ? There is not a SINGLE piece of evidence that says 'these people were Jovian' in W-Space. The closest you get is that both races used polymer tech, but we use polymer tech, does that make us Jove now?

The Architects left the Enheduanni behind and asleep to help them come back into reality when the time arrived, but during this time the Other has hunted the few Enheduanni left, who also had the responsibility to guide the 4 new races. This makes me think if maybe the old 4 races werent in fact part of the same Jove empire, and today they are each one asigned to one of the diferent races. The Architects definitely were part of the Jove empire, as said in the book.

Our characters are supposed to be dirty rich, but the ingame mechanics are limited. I don't see why we could (like an AJ said once) be eminent scientists researching for old history, just because we aren't pointed to it trough in-game means.
I see the books (Templar One et al) and chronicles as those pieces of info that my character can discover after a long research, putting pieces together and bribing high-profile NPCs, just like The Broker does. Or maybe some very sougth after collection of info that somebody already put together, which I have acquired out of game because hell, it's really long and the writer probably have child to feed or something, and I don't mind paying for it (and enjoyed it btw).

I agree with pretty much everything else.

Finally, I would add that Sansha refers to himself as "Master".. So, has he completed the 5th Initiation?

6) Jamyl's use of the super-weapon triggered the isogen-5 placed in strategic locations around new eden and in W-space, linking them in some sort of state. Was it a trap or working as intended? I cannot say. However the pattern of shattered worlds if viewed in a certain manner appears to conform to a Fibonacci Sequence/ Fibonacci Spiral.

What I understood is that it was all like the use of dynamite to open mines.
Only that in this case the dynamite was Isogen-5 and the mines were wormholes. Riches await inside both, but what the people who prepared this bomb were looking for was the means of travelling faster than Jump gate routes.

1. They disconnected their space because, frankly, they wanted to be left alone and the rest of the cluster wasn't looking to good on being willing to agree to leaving them alone. Vak'atioth probably didn't help much on convincing them that open borders was a good policy either.

They were once open too the other Empires, but when the Amarrs invaded the Joves(And got their ass's kicked ) they cut off connection. They are a peaceful culture and wanted to remain that way. But the likeliness of them opening the gates is unlikely. Either to remain isolated or their dead from their disease they have had for age's.

HA.
A jovian ship can figth many ships of his own class constructed by other empires at the same time. What would they do with "only" 4 titans? That would be like fielding... 16? Maybe 20+ Avatars?

Yes, Vakoth was a figth against non-capsuleers, but why are you assuming that jovians are not ALL capsuleers themselves? After all, it was them who gave Ishukone the capsuleer tech. Why would they give Ishukone a tech that they think bad for themselves? And tbh, seeing how wrong (in terms of massive genocide) is it going, I would be very surprised if they didn't anticipated this posibility and placed a backdoor to hack all our capsuleer neural interfaces.

3) The Minmatar Elders have left known K-space with the aid of the Talocan (check the description of the system 6EG7-R for direct evidence).

... lol.

Here's a headscratcher for you Jovian theorists.

Remember the Jovian who blew himself up during a teleporter experiment of some kind, and required bits of him to be harvested from all over the galaxy?

What I'm wondering is... why would a dying race need teleportation so badly? Where are they going?

Not only that, but, where was his personality while his genetics were scattered all over New Eden? If the Jove are truly dying out, as some would postulate, is the Jovian disease technological in nature? We can assume that Jovian's are infomorphic..

Does the disease follow them into virtuality?

Glad to see Pottsey posts again. On the old forums I literally read the sleepers thread daily, seemed like there was a new theory every day and that was generally considered to be amazing!

I'm interested in some of the sources for your Jovian observations, specifically combat weakness. If you look at the stats for their ships in game the Eidolon for example is no joke 8 Highs, Mid and Lows. Or are you saying they have the weapons but not the pilot skill to operate them?

The disease is in the mind and follows a Jove even after cloning so one would assume a cloned Jove copied into a data stream would still have the same problem copied into is digital self. As the Jove do not know where the problem lies I do not see how they could remove the bad data in the digital self. Again I cannot prove this but I see no reason why a infomorphic would be cured when the problem is copyed.

I have posted a lot of theories in the past how it could be a biological weapon. The Jove said the race they are at war with has a perfect understanding of the brain and genetics well in advance over the Jove. I have no proof itGÇÖs a biological weapon but with what we know itGÇÖs well within the possibility that infiltrators rigged the Jove genetic engineering team to cause the problem. Which in turned caused the collapse of the Jove empire and making the war much easier to deal with. But that is guess work with no facts to back it up.

The disease is in the mind and follows a Jove even after cloning so one would assume a cloned Jove copied into a data stream would still have the same problem copied into is digital self. As the Jove do not know where the problem lies I do not see how they could remove the bad data in the digital self. Again I cannot prove this but I see no reason why a infomorphic would be cured when the problem is copyed.

When it comes to Templar One, I really wouldn't consider it 'canon' lore. It glosses over too much and assumes way too much that we as capsuleers could never find out. And isn't that what EVE is supposed to be about? Us as players, not the devs/CCP (I think it was a CCP venture?) telling us the exact story, which clashes with what we know and worked out in AJ? There is not a SINGLE piece of evidence that says 'these people were Jovian' in W-Space. The closest you get is that both races used polymer tech, but we use polymer tech, does that make us Jove now?

But one fateful moment in their history made them lose this control for a few generations, and the results were catastrophic. By this time the Jovians had begun interfering with their basic instincts, curbing their aggression and sexual instincts and cultivating strange new ones instead. Since the Shrouded Days, as the Jovians call their momentary social eclipse, they have been trying to put the pieces together again, but their DNA-structure has in many ways been damaged beyond repair. The consequence is the dreaded Jovian Disease. Genetic in nature, it is not infectious to other races, but among Jovians it causes a depression so deep and serious that the victim loses the will to live, and death results within a few days or weeks.

Despite this, the Jovians escaped the chaos that followed the closure of EVE remarkably well. Within the space of only a few centuries they had recovered, and were once again running a hi-tech society. They settled in a number of systems and founded an empire lasting for nine millennia, but even if the Jovians are by far the most technologically advanced of the races of EVE, they have still not recovered the splendour of their first empire. The disease within them keeps them in a reproductive straightjacket, preventing them from increasing their numbers sufficiently for their current empire to flourish.

Within the space of only a few centuries they had recovered

The disease within them keeps them in a reproductive straightjacket, preventing them from increasing their numbers sufficiently for their current empire to flourish.

The text you quoted is worded in a bit confusing way. What it means is that they recovered from the EVE closure is a very short time, then started having the great life... Until the Jove disease struck them, thousands of years later.

Since then, they seem to be barely mantaining their population thanks only to manipulated birth ratios, making just enough for the increased mortality in their files, and thus leaving them unable to reproduce at a speed higher than the one at which they die (needed to be able to expand).

[quote=Qvar Dar'Zanar]GÇ£the gates of EVE opened and operated perfectly for seven decades. Disaster struck once again. An unexplained phenomenon engulfed the Gates of EVE, rendering them inoperable. Restoration efforts proved futile due to the malevolent magnetic storm perpetually surrounding the gates. The results were swift and devastating. The fledgling settlements found themselves cut off from the old world, on which they were still heavily dependent.GÇ¥

So it was not the wormhole shutting that caused problems but all the gates throughout kspace suddenly getting surrounded by malevolent magnetic storms 70 years after the wormhole shut. It was the lack of working gates that stoped the big colonys looking after the small ones that cuased all the problems.

[I believe you-¦re mistaken with the wording of "the gates of Eve". This probably refers to the twin gates (one on each side of the wormhole). Not to the smaller jumpgates.

Where does it say 70 years. We know the WH to Earth is still surrounded by magnetic storms, so I guess the easiest was to tell whether it was just the WH or both WH and k-gates is to try and find out where it says that storms ended right?

Jovian technology is all over New Eden.. Capsule tech, boosters, T3... It is being introduced to us or rediscovered by us..