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The Snowman
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.19 15:20:00 -
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I thought existing players could re-map every 6 months..
But when you do remap, you get this message:
"you are about to complete a neural remap! You will be unable to change your attributes again until 12 months have elapsed. Are you sure you want to proceed with this neural remap?"
So is this a typical CCP Paranoia-PRE-nerf?... or have CCP already decided that 6months was too soon? Or is this a typo.
Either way, 12 months sucks CCP, sort it out.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.02.19 15:28:00 -
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 Originally by: The Snowman
I thought existing players could re-map every 6 months..
It has been changed to one year. Deal.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.19 15:44:00 -
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You can't nerf something that never went final. Until it's been live, changes are just ... changes.
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WarlockX
Amarr
Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.19 15:54:00 -
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ppl said 6 months is too short. ccp listened and changed it. This is a good change.
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The Snowman
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.19 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus
You can't nerf something that never went final. Until it's been live, changes are just ... changes.
yes you can, its called 'pre-nerfing' you should keep up.
Originally by: WarlockX
ppl said 6 months is too short. ccp listened and changed it. This is a good change.
What ppl, and why?
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Stitcher
Caldari
ForgeTech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.19 16:39:00 -
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why does it even matter? Presumably, if you're remapping it's because you better understand what you're doing so you can get it right this time. You shouldn't NEED to re-map more than once a year.
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Elaron
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.02.19 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: The Snowman
What ppl, and why?
I'm sure a little searching by you will unearth several of the threads that have already debated this topic.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: The Snowman
Originally by: WarlockX
ppl said 6 months is too short. ccp listened and changed it. This is a good change.
What ppl, and why?
If you want to fix your 35 charisma you need it only once. 12 months to stop FOTM training abuse.
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Guilliman R
Gallente
PRO Space Hunters
HUNTER'S BROTHERHOOD
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Posted - 2009.02.19 16:52:00 -
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So who's going to spend days figuring out what the best adjustment in their attributes will be? XD
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Pedro Montana
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Posted - 2009.02.19 17:01:00 -
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I have 17 charisma.
Ive almost finished training all the leadership skills that I want.
(Fleet command is about a month away).
(I goofed up during char creation and gave myself a high charisma for unknown reasons). Then decided to train leadership skills because well..I had high charisma.
I see this redistribution as a way to balance a bit away from charisma and all. I probably will not redistribute again.
If it stays at 6 months...well. I'm far enough along that all my support skills (engineering,electronic,drone) etc are at Vs ...I could respect perception/willpower..spend 6 months maxing out all my ship and missile/gunnery skills. Plenty of those skills to keep me going. Then 6 months later..respect to max out intel/whatever..
Thats way too cheezy. 12 months is far enough to prevent that. and I applaud them for the 12 month limit.
Bluntly..I wish they had never introduced it ..or set it for for multiple times pprior to some sp (noobs who have no clue) and after that Once Period.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.19 17:04:00 -
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Make it 18 months imo. |
Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.19 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Marlenus on 19/02/2009 17:08:17
Frankly I think it should be once a year but with an exponentially increasing cost. A million the first time, a hundred million the next, a billion the third, a hundred billion the fourth... |
maranne marachian
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Posted - 2009.02.19 18:03:00 -
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what gets me is the amount of people who *****ed about the 6 month thing before we even found out the cost of further respecs so we get a pre-nerf that makes no sense as the cost might have acted as a nerf in the long run.. thanks whiners... |
Cyb3r D3ath
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.02.19 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Cyb3r D3ath on 19/02/2009 18:26:28
In the beginning, this was a very interesting idea, but.. 12 months!!! well, this has now become a USELESS feature thanx to all the whinetards.  |
Korizan
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Posted - 2009.02.19 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cyb3r D3ath
Edited by: Cyb3r D3ath on 19/02/2009 18:26:28
In the beginning, this was a very interesting idea, but.. 12 months!!! well, this has now become a USELESS feature thanx to all the whinetards.
Useless ?
If you could respect only once it is would be worth it.
I have lost count of the number of people that have said if I would have known I would have put more here or there.
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maranne marachian
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Posted - 2009.02.19 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cyb3r D3ath
Edited by: Cyb3r D3ath on 19/02/2009 18:26:28
In the beginning, this was a very interesting idea, but.. 12 months!!! well, this has now become a USELESS feature thanx to all the whinetards.
i forsee a world where almost everyone has a 99885 character where there is no individuals there is just MINI ACHURA welcome to "WORLD OF CLONECRAFT" sorry i mean EVE
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Rex Lashar
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.19 19:18:00 -
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Most people who are going to be ****ed about this are probably the same ones who are salivating at the prospect of min/maxing all their skill training with the fastest rate possible.
Although 12 months is more reasonable, it's still a stupid mechanic to allow for regular players. It negates years of attribute differentiation between bloodlines, and has no identifiable purpose outside of the NPE.
If newbs get 2 free attribute swaps, simply extend it to all characters and be done with it. After you use up your two swaps, you can't swap it anymore. That has the benefit of letting people who screwed up their characters to fix it, without introducing a whole set of new problems.
I am not optimistic that CCP will see it with such lucid clarity, however.
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.19 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Cyb3r D3ath
Edited by: Cyb3r D3ath on 19/02/2009 18:26:28
In the beginning, this was a very interesting idea, but.. 12 months!!! well, this has now become a USELESS feature thanx to all the whinetards.
Oh dear, you REALLY thought that CCP introduced this so that you could maximize your FOTM training, right? Dude, think again.
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Diegate
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Posted - 2009.02.19 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Diegate on 19/02/2009 20:08:45
So now I will have to train percp/wp skills for 6 more months? Well, thats ok with me. Guess ill cross train to one more race or something like that :P. Good thing im training my int/mem skills before the exp.
People will still max out unless they are total noobs without basic skills trained. So the poor noobs will fall behind hard vs the old timers.
You are all going to die!!
To bad there will not be anyone left to kill :/ |
Barkaial Starfinder
Minmatar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:07:00 -
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Nice change CCP
<3
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Lee Dalton
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: The Snowman
I thought existing players could re-map every 6 months..
But when you do remap, you get this message:
"you are about to complete a neural remap! You will be unable to change your attributes again until 12 months have elapsed. Are you sure you want to proceed with this neural remap?"
So is this a typical CCP Paranoia-PRE-nerf?... or have CCP already decided that 6months was too soon? Or is this a typo.
Either way, 12 months sucks CCP, sort it out.
Needs to be nerfed to 1 free change ever tbh.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:35:00 -
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lol it can't be nerf, it was never final.
also this will stop the bigger whine pool saying it was too easy to change your stats all the time.
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maranne marachian
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
lol it can't be nerf, it was never final.
also this will stop the louder whine pool saying it was too easy to change your stats all the time.
fixed it for you 
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Kiotsu Adler
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:28:00 -
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min/maxers are not wellcome. ypu're the abusers and that's why it got "nerfed" (lol).
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Lucifers Advocate
State War Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:29:00 -
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Give existing players all the wonderful times a new player is able to do respec. To make it fair and all. I mean really, who cares how many times somebody respecs their character? As long as everybody is offered equal number of times for doing it, it should not matter.
I like the ISK sink the guy up top had. It makes sense, however it should be scaled with the sheer number of SP the character has, as do medical clones.
Two questions:
1. What happens if you want to change from that +3 implant set you have when you're training learning skills and cybernetics 5, then plug in that beautiful set of +5's to train and run missions with? What to do with the other Charisma attributes? Fair? I think not.
2. Say you want to buy a 30 mil SP character. The seller says they have never respec'd the character. Out of spite, the seller gives the character maxed charisma then pays the $20 transfer fee and sends the character to the buyer. You CCP, have just allowed an exploit through perfectly "legal" game mechanics -cause now the buyer is screwed but made a purchase based on an in game "item" that differs from the advertised description. - Petitionable....
Make the respec'd duration every other month (60 days) to minimize on foreseeable exploits like this and keep the petitions down.
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Stab Wounds
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
Make it 18 months imo.
this or 24 months
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maranne marachian
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Posted - 2009.02.20 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kiotsu Adler
min/maxers are not wellcome. ypu're the abusers and that's why it got "nerfed" (lol).
people will still min/max this does **** all to stop them all it does is mean they spend 12 not 6 months training a certain skill base
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.02.20 00:50:00 -
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A welcome change.
6 months was a joke.
I'm not entirely happy personally about the specifics of how the system works due to the massive amount of attribute points you can shift, but I'll take what I can get.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2009.02.20 01:04:00 -
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Min maxing is going to suck for anyone that does it. (Unless you have a LOT of other stuff trained) 1 year straight training 2 att spec'd skills?
In on year you could max out all your gunnery, and a LOT of Spaceship Command skills. Problem would be getting support skills...There are going to be a lot of angry people once they realized they made a mistake min/maxing.
Using EVEMON and setting a one year plan, then using the implant calc to figure out best distribution of atts is the going to be the most efficient way to get a balanced skill plan.
Originally by: CCP Whisper
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maranne marachian
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Posted - 2009.02.20 01:11:00 -
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i'll be honest in my opinion all this change has done is let people over 1 year old min/max and forced anyone less than that to watch them get even further ahead. to top it all off anyone who's started since christmas can even watch people created on the 10th overtaking them as they use their 2 respecs to focus train from the get go
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