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Antheon
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.20 04:42:00 -
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For small-medium PvP roaming fleet ops
Assault Ships-
Heavy Assault Ships-
Battlecruiser-
I've been playing eve for about 3 months and have trained up to level 3 Cruiser in Amarr/Minmatar/Caldari.
I'm at the point where training for the next line of ships will take weeks instead of days, and I'm curious to know which races ships are most effective in these categories.
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MidnightMartyr
Gallente
NailorTech Industries
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.02.20 05:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Antheon
For small-medium PvP roaming fleet ops
Assault Ships-
Heavy Assault Ships-
Battlecruiser-
I've been playing eve for about 3 months and have trained up to level 3 Cruiser in Amarr/Minmatar/Caldari.
I'm at the point where training for the next line of ships will take weeks instead of days, and I'm curious to know which races ships are most effective in these categories.
You have 3 months worth of SP and you are already attempting to spec in 3 races, two of which are VERY skill intensive to fly well? So assuming that your skill spread is even, you have a months training in each race... crosstraining is great, you end up being able to fly all sorts of ships... and then lose them as soon as something sneezes at you.
You simply do not have the SP to fly all three. Now if you intend on picking one and sticking with one I would suggest amarr.
while their AFs are sub-par, they have two fantastic HACs and IMO the best BC (while the cane is a very very close second for me, with the HAM drake falling soon after).
Assault ships:
Retribution- puts out decent DPS and can tank decently, but is not really all that exceptional. Its a gang boat for sure, due to it's one mid slot.
Vengeance- Great tank for a frigate... and that about it. Its a good heavy tackler, but its DPS is laughable
HACs:
Zealot- puts out good DPS and good range. A bit of a glass cannon though... Good gang boat
Sacrilege- Tank monster. Dual repped this thing can tank around 400+ DPS for as long as you have cap boosters. It has great cap, and can put out around 500+ DPS with HAMS. One of the best solo ships in the game.
BCs:
Prophecy- eeeeeeh don't bother... Good bait, but if you're looking for anything more substantial a harbinger will do it much better. (Haven't run the numbers but I'm pretty sure it tanks better when it's tank is all that is there)
Harbinger- I love this ship. Gank fit it pumps out 600+ DPS at 21km with a decent buffer. Great PVP boat.
My advice (you cant take it or leave it, its your character, and you should do whatever is fun for you) is to spec in one race for a while. I considered cross training to amarr a while back, but I decided that it would gimp everything I fly considering that I do not have the SP to say "well I can fly all of my gallente ships really well, so I guess I can train up amarr now". But then again I've always been rather anal about my sp... I don't even have the skill for large hybrids yet and I'm at 14 mil SP!(That and I made my self an amarr alt haha)
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Jodie Amille
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.02.20 06:18:00 -
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I would also recommend speccing for a single race first, however:
AF- Ishkur then Jag
HAC- Zealot by a long margin then vaga
BC- Harbinger and HAM drake tied for first. Both are excellent gang ships.
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Antheon
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.20 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Antheon on 20/02/2009 06:26:31
Well that's kind of what I'm asking. I'm wondering which races' ships are good for what I want to do, so I can focus my SP on that race
I tested the waters with the 3 races because this is my only character, and I wanted to fly their ships at least once to see if I liked them. All that ended up happening was that I found out I like all 3 races (I couldn't stand blasters or drones)
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.02.20 06:39:00 -
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I have cruiser 5 in all three of the races you said you have trained... They're all awesome as far as Heavy Assault ships go, well, not so much caldari... lol
Every pilot will tell you something different for each category, but here's mine.
Assault ships - Jaguar, Harpy (only two I like... but I can't fly amarr/gallente T2 frigs)
Heavy assault - Vagabond, Zealot, Sacrilege (I don't like the Caldari HACs at all)
Battlecruisers - Hurricane, Drake (Not much experience with amarr BCs, but i love the command ships)
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Jodie Amille
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.02.20 06:39:00 -
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I would probably recommend minmatar or amarr then. Both are fairly solid in the hac, recon, bc and command ship categories. Both have pretty solid ships in the cruiser and frig range as well.
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the rainingdeath
The humble Crew
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Posted - 2009.02.20 06:55:00 -
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Well here goes nothing. From my personal experience the break down for these three categories is as follows:
Assault Ships- The Jaguar is my first option for the reasons that; it can tackle, has decent speed, and a fairly nice buffer. It also does around 100-120 dps depending one what ammo you are using. The runner up in this category would have to be the Retribution. The Retribution does have very nice dps (aprox. 220) for a frig class and it is also fairly tough, but the limitations of only have one midslot lowers to second place in my eyes.
Heavy Assault Ships- This category is quite diverse. The different HACs all have their own niche. For your every day roaming gang the zealot is most likely your best choice, how ever I still use the vagabond with moderate success. The advantage the zealot has over the vagabond is it isn't totally screwed if it is ever tackled. A pulse fit zealot hits out farther then an AC fit vagabond while doing more damage. The vagabond does have the speed advantage over the zealot.
Battlecruiser- Hands down the best gang BC is currently the harbinger. Its ability to put out 500+ dps at a range of up to 23km makes it a great damage dealer, also it also has a decent buffer tank to boot. The second place here is a tie between the hurricane and drake for me. I find them both equally useful.
hope that helps some
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.02.20 07:03:00 -
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i'll give you a couple of the best ones, and the order in my opinion
AF - ishkur > jag > harpy (dont bother flying an AF that cant tackle)
HAC - zealot, ishtar, sacrilege, vagabond (all of these ships are incredibly versatile; i love em all)
BC - drake > harbinger > hurricane
so from this you can gather a few major points. amarr HACs are sweet, but their AF's not so much; gallente have some awesome drone boats; and minmatar have decent ships in all categories, but require a huge amount of skill points to be effective
in the end it comes down to your preference of weapon systems. your safest choice is to train up amarr or gallente, and about 6 months down the road, crosstrain minmatar. leave caldari ships alone unless you reaaaally enjoy missiles. the drake is one of their only decent pvp boats.
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UMEE
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Posted - 2009.02.20 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: the rainingdeath
The Jaguar is my first option for the reasons that; it can tackle, has decent speed, and a fairly nice buffer. It also does around 100-120 dps depending one what ammo you are using. The runner up in this category would have to be the Retribution. The Retribution does have very nice dps (aprox. 220) for a frig class and it is also fairly tough, but the limitations of only have one midslot lowers to second place in my eyes.
just a little note here. the retribution is a very weak AF because it can't tackle, it doesnt really pump out that much dps; its tank is godly if you fight other frigates, but thats about it. the ishkur for example can pump out 250dps while being able to tackle and counter other frigs with drones and range.
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Antheon
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2009.02.20 07:35:00 -
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Alright, so it's basically between Amarr/Minmatar then
From what I'm hearing, Minmatar get a decent AF and HACs, and a great BC
Amarr get a somewhat gimped AF with only 1 midslot, but have great hacs and a great BC
Does anyone here fly a retribution and like it? Does your gang like it? It seems almost selfish to fly a ship with only 1 midslot 
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.20 08:00:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 20/02/2009 08:01:17
Originally by: Antheon
Assault Ships-
Harpy, Jaguar, Ishkur, in that order, all fit with MWD + 24km point. The primary job of an AF in a gang is to tackle, and these do it best.
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Heavy Assault Ships-
Phantasm, Zealot, Cerberus, Vagabond in that order. Phantasm is absolutely amazing solo or with a friend, but too expensive for larger fights where you'll be primaried and die. Zealot is a Phantasm with a range bonus, and half the price tag, making it the better option once you get into a medium gang. Cerberus has a bit less dps, but the critical 250km range that is priceless in a gang fight. Vagabond is nerfed, but can still be quite effective if flown by an experienced pilot with a willingness to run away when necessary.
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Battlecruiser-
Harbinger, Drake, Hurricane in that order. Harbinger is just awesome (try fitting a shield buffer with 3x heat sinks) and will quickly remove any cruiser or frigate within 24km. Drake, like the Cerberus, gives less dps, but far superior range, and more HP buffer. Hurricane lacks in range compared to the Harbinger, but its superior speed and extra high slot for a second neut (+ capless guns to run those neuts) keep it on the list.
And as has been said, these are more long-term goals. You can probably get an AF or BC fairly soon (though focus on one race), but you'll need a lot more SP to fly a HAC effectively.
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RazluP
Black Rise Angels
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Posted - 2009.02.20 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: RazluP on 20/02/2009 10:40:40
Ok i only have one question Merin Ryskin, why do you consider the Phantasm a HAS?
I lurk on the forums when i'm bored at work, and this is not the first time that you wrote that.
Its true it can dish out a crapload of DPS, but it doesn't uses the HAS skill.
OT
Minmatar are extrembly good at smaller ship engagements but are more skill intensive than Amarr, Caldari ships are nice in large fleets but thats it.
Either go Amarr or Minmatar and you'll be fine.
(considering you dont like drones and blasters  )
edit:some typos
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.20 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: RazluP
Edited by: RazluP on 20/02/2009 10:40:40
Ok i only have one question Merin Ryskin, why do you consider the Phantasm a HAS?
I lurk on the forums when i'm bored at work, and this is not the first time that you wrote that.
Its true it can dish out a crapload of DPS, but it doesn't uses the HAS skill.
Because the Phantasm is equal or better than a HAC in every way except the lower skill requirement. It hits just as hard, tanks better than most, and has the same speed and agility.
The Fleet Stabber, Navy Caracal, Vigilant, and Navy Omen are the same: HACs in all but name.
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Flashetta
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Posted - 2009.02.20 18:51:00 -
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Lol Gallente usta be listed in there somewhere..
BC for sure..
Oh, how i love CCP 
Sorry, just had to say that.
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Rehmes
Minmatar
Fractured Core
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Posted - 2009.02.20 19:00:00 -
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AF: My vote is for the Jaguar or Ishkur, Harpy a close 3rd.
HAC: Zealot and Vagabond, Sacrilege a close 3rd
BC: Hurricane and Harbibger, Drake a close 3rd.
This is based on my preferences and what ive experienced by either using them or being shot at by them lol. But as in everything in EvE its all based on the circumstances.
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.02.20 20:42:00 -
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AF = Ishkur - Hands down the best AF, basically a poor man's, pre-QR, nano-Ishtar. Very effctive against pretty much anything
HAC = Zealot - It's greatest advantage (nano) was nerfed and its STILL an FOTM ship, should tell you something.
BC = Harb/'cane/Drake - All three of these ships are extremely versatile and fun ships to fly with either great DPS or tank for their size
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