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BlueTest2	Posted - 2009.02.20 11:16:00 - [1] Quote: # CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game: 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. 3. You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. 4. You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators. 5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale. Part 3 says that i cannot use macros to "facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play." So, what if i create a macro that helps me do my invention clicks for me at a slightly slower rate? When inventing loads of small items, i have to well repeat the same clicks over and over again which is extremely tedious. So, why not create a macro to do the clicks for me? I will be at the screen and everything, maybe getting a snack or something instead of doing the sequence of clicks over and over again. In fact, as i have to set delays between clicks in my macro, so as to let screens load and stuff, I will not be getting anything at an "accelerated rate". It will probably be a few seconds slower than if i click normally. (So, its not breaking the EULA is it? since I'm SLOWER! :) ) Comments?
Piper Halliwell Minmatar Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.20 11:23:00 - [2] And what is keeping you from doing these clicks whilst you are asleep? What verification does CCP have that you are actually at the computer the entire time this is going on? -------------------- You've got a gun, I've got a gun, Let's write a tragic ending.
BlueTest2	Posted - 2009.02.20 11:51:00 - [3] I dunno, the logs showing that i don't invent 23/7? Anyway, Batch Install and favorite jobs are good too :)
Arvald Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2009.02.20 11:51:00 - [4] Originally by: Piper Halliwell And what is keeping you from doing these clicks whilst you are asleep? What verification does CCP have that you are actually at the computer the entire time this is going on? M10 version 1.1 patchnotes: added functionality where if you have a webcam attached to your computer, ccp can (and will) monitor you and if you step away from the game, the corporate ninjas will be dispatched ok but seriously, next person that derails my thread gets a railroad spike shoved through their neck
Shenko Minara	Posted - 2009.02.20 12:21:00 - [5] Apart from the fact the EULA is legally worthless, the issue shouldn't be: "Do you guys mind if I run a macro to take out the unnecessary tedium in your interface design" It should be: "Please fix the unnecessary tedium built into your interface design." -- 99% of Eve-o posters should stop posting. This probably includes me, but definitely includes you.
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.20 12:56:00 - [6] Originally by: Shenko Minara Apart from the fact the EULA is legally worthless, It is ?....how so ? well mannered ah*
SentryRaven KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.20 12:58:00 - [7] Petition it, ask a GM. -------- EBANK Forum Manager \| KIA Recruiting Director
maranne marachian	Posted - 2009.02.20 13:11:00 - [8] Edited by: maranne marachian on 20/02/2009 13:13:07 Originally by: Insa Rexion Originally by: Shenko Minara Apart from the fact the EULA is legally worthless, It is ?....how so ? the copy to memory loophole that EULA's exploited to be (semi)legal binding contracts was removed due to a ruling by the US supreme court that found that the act of copying a program to memory is neccessary and thus extra restrictions can not be placed on the user at that time. Outside the US most governments are watching to see what happens there over EULA's as in at least a few they cant be legally binding as you are being forced to sign them after your purchase in order to use your legal property. HOWEVER the first case to actually go to trial over an EULA will probably be the apple.v.psystar and if psystar is smart enough to call precident using the courts ruling EULA's will be found to be non-binding. (note the blizzard entertainment.v.wowglider was not about the EULA they used the DMCA)
Washell Olivaw	Posted - 2009.02.20 13:40:00 - [9] Put it the other way around: Is not having to do those clicks worth the risk of having your account banned? Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.20 13:54:00 - [10] Originally by: maranne marachian Edited by: maranne marachian on 20/02/2009 13:13:07 Originally by: Insa Rexion Originally by: Shenko Minara Apart from the fact the EULA is legally worthless, It is ?....how so ? the copy to memory loophole that EULA's exploited to be (semi)legal binding contracts was removed due to a ruling by the US supreme court that found that the act of copying a program to memory is neccessary and thus extra restrictions can not be placed on the user at that time. Outside the US most governments are watching to see what happens there over EULA's as in at least a few they cant be legally binding as you are being forced to sign them after your purchase in order to use your legal property. HOWEVER the first case to actually go to trial over an EULA will probably be the apple.v.psystar and if psystar is smart enough to call precident using the courts ruling EULA's will be found to be non-binding. (note the blizzard entertainment.v.wowglider was not about the EULA they used the DMCA) For what you said here, unless Iceland agrees with the ruling it does not matter, for all contention of CCP's EULA will occur in Iceland. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Demitria Fernir Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.02.20 14:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Slade Trillgon Originally by: maranne marachian Edited by: maranne marachian on 20/02/2009 13:13:07 Originally by: Insa Rexion Originally by: Shenko Minara Apart from the fact the EULA is legally worthless, It is ?....how so ? the copy to memory loophole that EULA's exploited to be (semi)legal binding contracts was removed due to a ruling by the US supreme court that found that the act of copying a program to memory is neccessary and thus extra restrictions can not be placed on the user at that time. Outside the US most governments are watching to see what happens there over EULA's as in at least a few they cant be legally binding as you are being forced to sign them after your purchase in order to use your legal property. HOWEVER the first case to actually go to trial over an EULA will probably be the apple.v.psystar and if psystar is smart enough to call precident using the courts ruling EULA's will be found to be non-binding. (note the blizzard entertainment.v.wowglider was not about the EULA they used the DMCA) For what you said here, unless Iceland agrees with the ruling it does not matter, for all contention of CCP's EULA will occur in Iceland. Slade Too bad CCP owns your account and all his stuff. _______________________________________________ 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101
Liz Laser	Posted - 2009.02.20 14:17:00 - [12] or at least they say they do. In the EULA. See where this is going?
Eugene Spencer Rodents of Unusual Size	Posted - 2009.02.20 14:33:00 - [13] Just play the flipping game.
Helktor	Posted - 2009.02.20 15:03:00 - [14] Quote: So, what if i create a macro that helps me do my invention clicks for me at a slightly slower rate? Quote: Petition it, ask a GM. Years ago while playing EQ you had to do the exact same thing. Massive clicking to make one item that was used in almost all crafting combines. So I asked a GM if it was permisable to do what your asking. The awnser was no. Its a very slippery slope. You can use any example/excuse you want to. "I was just running to the restroom","Just jumped up to grab a soda","The mailman stopped by and I lost track of time". Someone will always find a way to abuse this.
Tchell Dahhn Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.02.20 16:02:00 - [15] Originally by: Arvald M10 version 1.1 patchnotes: added functionality where if you have a webcam attached to your computer, ccp can (and will) monitor you and if you step away from the game, the corporate ninjas will be dispatched Confirming that we are CCP's "Corporate Ninjas". We're Recruiting!
Corwain	Posted - 2009.02.20 16:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Shenko Minara Apart from the fact the EULA is legally worthless, the issue shouldn't be: "Do you guys mind if I run a macro to take out the unnecessary tedium in your interface design" It should be: "Please fix the unnecessary tedium built into your interface design." We've given up on CCP fixing their interface a loooong time ago. Even the "enhancements" them make are broken. I _still_ have to fix the arrangement of my overview whenever I undock or jump systems. -- Distortion\| Distortion 2 Preview

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