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Tactician	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:43:00 - [91] The sabotaged mission only serves to FURTHER imbalance courier vs kill missions, if rewards were better for courier missions, for example if only courier missions gave tech 1 BPOs (and good ones not the crap we used to get) that may serve to balance things out, frankly i dont relish going 15 jumps for 50 k isk and 6300 small nuclear ammo when i acn do a kill mission and get 3 times that in bounty plus loot in half the time, there was a time when this paid off because only courier missions gave implants but now im stuck with an agent with whom i have very high standing and should be earning really good money but instead i end up getting bugger all for courier missions with the occasional kill mission the only thing keeping me from quitting missions altogether, Give courier missions some love and increase the payouts, the campaign starts here...
Tactician	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:43:00 - [92] The sabotaged mission only serves to FURTHER imbalance courier vs kill missions, if rewards were better for courier missions, for example if only courier missions gave tech 1 BPOs (and good ones not the crap we used to get) that may serve to balance things out, frankly i dont relish going 15 jumps for 50 k isk and 6300 small nuclear ammo when i acn do a kill mission and get 3 times that in bounty plus loot in half the time, there was a time when this paid off because only courier missions gave implants but now im stuck with an agent with whom i have very high standing and should be earning really good money but instead i end up getting bugger all for courier missions with the occasional kill mission the only thing keeping me from quitting missions altogether, Give courier missions some love and increase the payouts, the campaign starts here...
Janiir	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:55:00 - [93] Tactician, please re-read the responses after your last post. The Sabotaged mission is also given out by courier agents.
Janiir	Posted - 2004.08.10 16:55:00 - [94] Tactician, please re-read the responses after your last post. The Sabotaged mission is also given out by courier agents.
ChernoChiel	Posted - 2004.08.11 09:30:00 - [95] Originally by: Tactician The sabotaged mission only serves to FURTHER imbalance courier vs kill missions, if rewards were better for courier missions, for example if only courier missions gave tech 1 BPOs (and good ones not the crap we used to get) that may serve to balance things out, frankly i dont relish going 15 jumps for 50 k isk and 6300 small nuclear ammo when i acn do a kill mission and get 3 times that in bounty plus loot in half the time, there was a time when this paid off because only courier missions gave implants but now im stuck with an agent with whom i have very high standing and should be earning really good money but instead i end up getting bugger all for courier missions with the occasional kill mission the only thing keeping me from quitting missions altogether, Give courier missions some love and increase the payouts, the campaign starts here... you ever lost a ship doing courier missions? kill missions have high(er) rewards cuz the hazard bigger. i never ever had to shoot anything in my courier missions, i could go afk till i got to the destination. though i did lose a few ships in kill missions. see it as hazard pay - the extra money you get from kill missions ___________________________ "what did that button do??"
ChernoChiel	Posted - 2004.08.11 09:30:00 - [96] Originally by: Tactician The sabotaged mission only serves to FURTHER imbalance courier vs kill missions, if rewards were better for courier missions, for example if only courier missions gave tech 1 BPOs (and good ones not the crap we used to get) that may serve to balance things out, frankly i dont relish going 15 jumps for 50 k isk and 6300 small nuclear ammo when i acn do a kill mission and get 3 times that in bounty plus loot in half the time, there was a time when this paid off because only courier missions gave implants but now im stuck with an agent with whom i have very high standing and should be earning really good money but instead i end up getting bugger all for courier missions with the occasional kill mission the only thing keeping me from quitting missions altogether, Give courier missions some love and increase the payouts, the campaign starts here... you ever lost a ship doing courier missions? kill missions have high(er) rewards cuz the hazard bigger. i never ever had to shoot anything in my courier missions, i could go afk till i got to the destination. though i did lose a few ships in kill missions. see it as hazard pay - the extra money you get from kill missions ___________________________ "what did that button do??"
Lizaa	Posted - 2004.08.11 12:08:00 - [97] Edited by: Lizaa on 11/08/2004 12:10:57 Ok not sure where to start.... yes the 3 bs are faction police ships if u would go to screenshots, they have been posted, and by far outta the 3 types ie. caldari gellente and minmitar, that i have had to kill the ravens are by far the most challenging that is untill u dust the first one the ohter 2 are like butter. but the gellente and minmitar never fired off a shot at me as i was over 70km from them sending torpedo spam......and on a sadder note i saw a friends scorpion get dusted by the ravens...funny but sad. *Lizaa - Dark Cartel - Director of Grief TacticsÖ* *Death is coming!!!!!* Ph34r teh Retribution.
Lizaa	Posted - 2004.08.11 12:08:00 - [98] Edited by: Lizaa on 11/08/2004 12:10:57 Ok not sure where to start.... yes the 3 bs are faction police ships if u would go to screenshots, they have been posted, and by far outta the 3 types ie. caldari gellente and minmitar, that i have had to kill the ravens are by far the most challenging that is untill u dust the first one the ohter 2 are like butter. but the gellente and minmitar never fired off a shot at me as i was over 70km from them sending torpedo spam......and on a sadder note i saw a friends scorpion get dusted by the ravens...funny but sad. *Lizaa - Dark Cartel - Director of Grief TacticsÖ* *Death is coming!!!!!* Ph34r teh Retribution.
Tactician	Posted - 2004.08.11 14:10:00 - [99] Originally by: ChernoChiel Originally by: Tactician The sabotaged mission only serves to FURTHER imbalance courier vs kill missions, if rewards were better for courier missions, for example if only courier missions gave tech 1 BPOs (and good ones not the crap we used to get) that may serve to balance things out, frankly i dont relish going 15 jumps for 50 k isk and 6300 small nuclear ammo when i acn do a kill mission and get 3 times that in bounty plus loot in half the time, there was a time when this paid off because only courier missions gave implants but now im stuck with an agent with whom i have very high standing and should be earning really good money but instead i end up getting bugger all for courier missions with the occasional kill mission the only thing keeping me from quitting missions altogether, Give courier missions some love and increase the payouts, the campaign starts here... you ever lost a ship doing courier missions? kill missions have high(er) rewards cuz the hazard bigger. i never ever had to shoot anything in my courier missions, i could go afk till i got to the destination. though i did lose a few ships in kill missions. see it as hazard pay - the extra money you get from kill missions If kill missions were hard then i might agree with you, but any pilot worth his salt can easily deal with level 3 agent mission spawn either taking no damage or no appreciable damage except for perhaps engaging the battleships in the sabotaged mission spawn.
Tactician	Posted - 2004.08.11 14:10:00 - [100] Originally by: ChernoChiel Originally by: Tactician The sabotaged mission only serves to FURTHER imbalance courier vs kill missions, if rewards were better for courier missions, for example if only courier missions gave tech 1 BPOs (and good ones not the crap we used to get) that may serve to balance things out, frankly i dont relish going 15 jumps for 50 k isk and 6300 small nuclear ammo when i acn do a kill mission and get 3 times that in bounty plus loot in half the time, there was a time when this paid off because only courier missions gave implants but now im stuck with an agent with whom i have very high standing and should be earning really good money but instead i end up getting bugger all for courier missions with the occasional kill mission the only thing keeping me from quitting missions altogether, Give courier missions some love and increase the payouts, the campaign starts here... you ever lost a ship doing courier missions? kill missions have high(er) rewards cuz the hazard bigger. i never ever had to shoot anything in my courier missions, i could go afk till i got to the destination. though i did lose a few ships in kill missions. see it as hazard pay - the extra money you get from kill missions If kill missions were hard then i might agree with you, but any pilot worth his salt can easily deal with level 3 agent mission spawn either taking no damage or no appreciable damage except for perhaps engaging the battleships in the sabotaged mission spawn.
X'Alor	Posted - 2004.08.11 15:14:00 - [101] Edited by: X'Alor on 11/08/2004 15:21:59 For the love of god people start using some grey matter between your ears. We all have the "choice" of what "division" we want to run missions in. obviously if you go to run missions in the mining division...........you better plan on doing some mining or something that involves minerals and mineral transfer. you would then base up that station as a mining mission set, probably be a good idea to have a large hauler and a good pile of mins on hand. if you choose to run in a courier type of agent.......where does it say anyplace that it "should" be comparable money wise to say a kill mission. There are many division for different types of missions. Some simply are better and more lucretive than others. We all have the "choice" to run missions or not to and we make a "choice" in what division we want to run missions in. It is a simple fact some mission make more money than others for time spent. But then again if your set up right say with mining division again and a mission comes up asking for say 50k trit to be delivered at astation and you happen to have already mined a mill worth and it's sitting there..........badda bing. you just did a full mining mission in about 2 seconds. People are taking the term "balance" entirely to dang far. All this waaa waaa waaa balance cuz it doesn't fit "my current" needs is for the birds. if your current mission needs are not cutting it for you.........make a choice and CHANGE your division and agent. "insert the waaa waaa waaa but i got such a high standing with my current here" And you will have a high standing once you shut your trap and get busy running new missions. Personally I make more money on courier type missions "when set up for them." Every courier type agent tends to deal in the same general commodities once you get started with one. After running a bit you'll start to see the same commodities showing up. Take a moment in your prescious game time to go out and buy a small pile of each type you often deal with and keep them on hand in that station. There is nothing saying you MUST go fifteen jumps to get a commodity that he found for you if you got it right in hanger. You guys keep whining about imbalance between courier and kill. You want balance then make it so that a courier mission requires you to get supplies that the agent specified in a specific location instead of being able to do the insto complete cuz i got it on hand........If i was a die hard kill mission runner I could very well waaaaaa waaaa waaaa about how couriers are able to do just that and never leave station for 5 mission in a row. Where as the kill mission runner has to leave station just about every single mission Cuz of all this waaaa balance the courier kill payouts....... they are starting to set up all divisions with some kill missions and some courier missions. When i go to my security agent......i don't expect to get 15 courier missions in a row before my next kill mission. And on the same note i don't go to my mining agent geared up expecting to have to kill 3 BS. We gotta stop this waaaa waaaa waaaa balance me cuz i don't like it crap and just get busy with using your head and making choices that fit your own desires, not my desires were not fit cuz i didn't make the right choice so fix it. The only thing that needs fixing here is the choices people make.
X'Alor	Posted - 2004.08.11 15:14:00 - [102] Edited by: X'Alor on 11/08/2004 15:21:59 For the love of god people start using some grey matter between your ears. We all have the "choice" of what "division" we want to run missions in. obviously if you go to run missions in the mining division...........you better plan on doing some mining or something that involves minerals and mineral transfer. you would then base up that station as a mining mission set, probably be a good idea to have a large hauler and a good pile of mins on hand. if you choose to run in a courier type of agent.......where does it say anyplace that it "should" be comparable money wise to say a kill mission. There are many division for different types of missions. Some simply are better and more lucretive than others. We all have the "choice" to run missions or not to and we make a "choice" in what division we want to run missions in. It is a simple fact some mission make more money than others for time spent. But then again if your set up right say with mining division again and a mission comes up asking for say 50k trit to be delivered at astation and you happen to have already mined a mill worth and it's sitting there..........badda bing. you just did a full mining mission in about 2 seconds. People are taking the term "balance" entirely to dang far. All this waaa waaa waaa balance cuz it doesn't fit "my current" needs is for the birds. if your current mission needs are not cutting it for you.........make a choice and CHANGE your division and agent. "insert the waaa waaa waaa but i got such a high standing with my current here" And you will have a high standing once you shut your trap and get busy running new missions. Personally I make more money on courier type missions "when set up for them." Every courier type agent tends to deal in the same general commodities once you get started with one. After running a bit you'll start to see the same commodities showing up. Take a moment in your prescious game time to go out and buy a small pile of each type you often deal with and keep them on hand in that station. There is nothing saying you MUST go fifteen jumps to get a commodity that he found for you if you got it right in hanger. You guys keep whining about imbalance between courier and kill. You want balance then make it so that a courier mission requires you to get supplies that the agent specified in a specific location instead of being able to do the insto complete cuz i got it on hand........If i was a die hard kill mission runner I could very well waaaaaa waaaa waaaa about how couriers are able to do just that and never leave station for 5 mission in a row. Where as the kill mission runner has to leave station just about every single mission Cuz of all this waaaa balance the courier kill payouts....... they are starting to set up all divisions with some kill missions and some courier missions. When i go to my security agent......i don't expect to get 15 courier missions in a row before my next kill mission. And on the same note i don't go to my mining agent geared up expecting to have to kill 3 BS. We gotta stop this waaaa waaaa waaaa balance me cuz i don't like it crap and just get busy with using your head and making choices that fit your own desires, not my desires were not fit cuz i didn't make the right choice so fix it. The only thing that needs fixing here is the choices people make.
Torlek	Posted - 2004.08.18 19:17:00 - [103] Any update on this? Thanks === [i]I'm telling you Teal'C if we don't find a way out of this soon I'm gonna loose it. Loose it, it means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, 3 fries shor
Torlek	Posted - 2004.08.18 19:17:00 - [104] Any update on this? Thanks === [i]I'm telling you Teal'C if we don't find a way out of this soon I'm gonna loose it. Loose it, it means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, 3 fries shor
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.08.18 22:54:00 - [105] wow lots of crying by a m0o member i never expected that. one thing to say to you, do you need a waaaaambulance?
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.08.18 22:54:00 - [106] wow lots of crying by a m0o member i never expected that. one thing to say to you, do you need a waaaaambulance?
Balbriggan	Posted - 2004.08.19 11:13:00 - [107] Hopefully this mission will come back soon as I wanna have a go
Balbriggan	Posted - 2004.08.19 11:13:00 - [108] Hopefully this mission will come back soon as I wanna have a go
jessica atreides	Posted - 2004.08.19 11:15:00 - [109] would be nice if we could have a timescale on the return of the sabotage mission. Any chance?
jessica atreides	Posted - 2004.08.19 11:15:00 - [110] would be nice if we could have a timescale on the return of the sabotage mission. Any chance?
Mendel Black	Posted - 2004.08.19 15:12:00 - [111] Agreed, any chance of an ETA on this missions return? ----------- Never argue with an idiot, they will only drag you down to thier level then beat you with their greater experience.
Mendel Black	Posted - 2004.08.19 15:12:00 - [112] Agreed, any chance of an ETA on this missions return? ----------- Never argue with an idiot, they will only drag you down to thier level then beat you with their greater experience.
Abbadonuk	Posted - 2004.08.23 11:50:00 - [113] Zrakor, any update on this please? "next week" and a "few days" have past now and I would really like to see this mission back in the game. Member of Lunar Dawn
Abbadonuk	Posted - 2004.08.23 11:50:00 - [114] Zrakor, any update on this please? "next week" and a "few days" have past now and I would really like to see this mission back in the game. Member of Lunar Dawn
Karakaran	Posted - 2004.08.23 13:55:00 - [115] hello devs? any chance of any response at all? It would be appreciated. Please
Karakaran	Posted - 2004.08.23 13:55:00 - [116] hello devs? any chance of any response at all? It would be appreciated. Please
Harisdrop	Posted - 2004.08.23 14:03:00 - [117] I got a hardwire gunslinger 2% damage from the commander. I think its just great that you have been working hard to please everyone. -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies
Harisdrop	Posted - 2004.08.23 14:03:00 - [118] I got a hardwire gunslinger 2% damage from the commander. I think its just great that you have been working hard to please everyone. -------------------------- Garsh ma it soo cool killing people in there space thingies

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