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Necronomicon
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Posted - 2004.08.09 10:28:00 -
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Losing a 10-15mill crow and getting a 250K payout is useless. Fix it PLEASE.
Also Radius Signatures do NOT make you ship physically bigger, so how do NPC find it 5x easier to hit my vessel when travelling at 3KM/sec with an MWD when they cant hit me at all when using a 10Mn AB? Now you are nerfing the use of 10Mns on frigs, it is gonna make me have to use Cruisers/Battleships to do missions (shooting fish, no fun at all)
Rant over, have a nice day.
Starsi dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them. |
Necronomicon
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Posted - 2004.08.09 10:28:00 -
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Losing a 10-15mill crow and getting a 250K payout is useless. Fix it PLEASE.
Also Radius Signatures do NOT make you ship physically bigger, so how do NPC find it 5x easier to hit my vessel when travelling at 3KM/sec with an MWD when they cant hit me at all when using a 10Mn AB? Now you are nerfing the use of 10Mns on frigs, it is gonna make me have to use Cruisers/Battleships to do missions (shooting fish, no fun at all)
Rant over, have a nice day.
Starsi dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them. |
Heidi Baker
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Posted - 2004.08.09 10:59:00 -
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"The problem with the low insurance for Interceptors is known and being addressed. The insurance system doesn't yet recognize the value of TL2 components and as a result, doesn't pay out the proper values. This is being taken care of."
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
lets wait for the full patch notes before we rant 
Fly safe ......
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Heidi Baker
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Posted - 2004.08.09 10:59:00 -
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"The problem with the low insurance for Interceptors is known and being addressed. The insurance system doesn't yet recognize the value of TL2 components and as a result, doesn't pay out the proper values. This is being taken care of."
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
lets wait for the full patch notes before we rant
Fly safe ......
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.08.09 11:01:00 -
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Damn, this had better not be in this patch, just lost a Crow!
(just kidding... I hope they fix this ASAP)
 Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Jazz Bo
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Posted - 2004.08.09 11:01:00 -
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Damn, this had better not be in this patch, just lost a Crow!
(just kidding... I hope they fix this ASAP)
Originally by: DB Preacher
Celestial Apocalypse - Brave souls fighting the endless smak.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.08.09 11:20:00 -
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If they would up the insurance to cover your 15m you lost in your crow then they need to give the other inties the same insurance pay out. Which would mean that their price would double atleast...
The current payout is based on component value (ie. you can get a mission bonus of 100k orso and the ammount of components you get from the agent gives the value of it) which is 2.1 million. That is what an intie is worth and thus what is payed out.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.08.09 11:20:00 -
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If they would up the insurance to cover your 15m you lost in your crow then they need to give the other inties the same insurance pay out. Which would mean that their price would double atleast...
The current payout is based on component value (ie. you can get a mission bonus of 100k orso and the ammount of components you get from the agent gives the value of it) which is 2.1 million. That is what an intie is worth and thus what is payed out.
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-The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Malius
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Posted - 2004.08.09 11:49:00 -
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The system can't adjust for people who way overcharge for what a ship is worth.
Else they would just self destruct the ship (with full insurance) and make the same huge profit, without having to wait for a buyer.
So you just gonna have to deal with it, or find a crow seller who isn't ripping you off.
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Malius
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Posted - 2004.08.09 11:49:00 -
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The system can't adjust for people who way overcharge for what a ship is worth.
Else they would just self destruct the ship (with full insurance) and make the same huge profit, without having to wait for a buyer.
So you just gonna have to deal with it, or find a crow seller who isn't ripping you off.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.08.09 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Malius
The system can't adjust for people who way overcharge for what a ship is worth.
The system can't adjust for people who are willing to pay alot of isk, both for the components and for the inties. ATM there is more demand then supply thus the people who are willing to pay the most get the ships.
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.08.09 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Malius
The system can't adjust for people who way overcharge for what a ship is worth.
The system can't adjust for people who are willing to pay alot of isk, both for the components and for the inties. ATM there is more demand then supply thus the people who are willing to pay the most get the ships.
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-The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.08.09 16:16:00 -
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I think the basic problem here is that there is no NPC price for tech2 components. Without that regulating factor, the market is completely player controlled, which places the value of an interceptor at minerals+base ship+whatever people are willing to pay. That last part of the equation makes fixed insurance prices impossible. So... when will we get AI loss adjusters ingame? :)
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Tar om
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Posted - 2004.08.09 16:16:00 -
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I think the basic problem here is that there is no NPC price for tech2 components. Without that regulating factor, the market is completely player controlled, which places the value of an interceptor at minerals+base ship+whatever people are willing to pay. That last part of the equation makes fixed insurance prices impossible. So... when will we get AI loss adjusters ingame? :)
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We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net
http://www.serenitymovie.com |
Necronomicon
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Posted - 2004.08.09 18:20:00 -
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Valids points, I have only lost one crow which I dont feel I deserved to. But the cheapest Ceptor markets at 5 mill minimum (Claws/Ares/Stiletto), so even if the payout was closer to that it would be better.
True about the extortion, the Caldaris are hit the worst because of Reactor unit costs 200K each.
Starsi dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them. |
Necronomicon
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Posted - 2004.08.09 18:20:00 -
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Valids points, I have only lost one crow which I dont feel I deserved to. But the cheapest Ceptor markets at 5 mill minimum (Claws/Ares/Stiletto), so even if the payout was closer to that it would be better.
True about the extortion, the Caldaris are hit the worst because of Reactor unit costs 200K each.
Starsi dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them. |
Qual
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Posted - 2004.08.10 07:11:00 -
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Interceptor payout will never get to be very high, due to possible exploits.
The true question is: What is CCP going to do to bring down prices. If you think things are bad now, imagine a battlecruiser build using T2 components... Insurence payout will be a real joke compared to its market cost.
Head of Xanadu Elite Ships Department |
Qual
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Posted - 2004.08.10 07:11:00 -
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Interceptor payout will never get to be very high, due to possible exploits.
The true question is: What is CCP going to do to bring down prices. If you think things are bad now, imagine a battlecruiser build using T2 components... Insurence payout will be a real joke compared to its market cost.
Head of Xanadu Elite Ships Department |
Blackmyst
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Posted - 2004.08.10 08:20:00 -
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Is it not possible for the insurance prices and payout to be dynamic, i.e. payout is the average price (taken from ALL regions), and the cost of the insurance worked out form the payout figure? Sure, this way will mean varying insurance prices, rarely being the same price twice, but it would be better than getting 250k for a 15mil isk ship.
Just my 2p's worth 
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Blackmyst
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Posted - 2004.08.10 08:20:00 -
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Is it not possible for the insurance prices and payout to be dynamic, i.e. payout is the average price (taken from ALL regions), and the cost of the insurance worked out form the payout figure? Sure, this way will mean varying insurance prices, rarely being the same price twice, but it would be better than getting 250k for a 15mil isk ship.
Just my 2p's worth
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Qual
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Posted - 2004.08.10 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Blackmyst
Is it not possible for the insurance prices and payout to be dynamic, i.e. payout is the average price (taken from ALL regions), and the cost of the insurance worked out form the payout figure? Sure, this way will mean varying insurance prices, rarely being the same price twice, but it would be better than getting 250k for a 15mil isk ship.
Just my 2p's worth
Exploitable. THe producers would sell the interceptor to themselfs at high prices (say 1 bil each) thus making a high avarage price. Then they go out and kill thier ships and get tons of money for something that cost them very little produce.
Head of Xanadu Elite Ships Department |
Qual
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Posted - 2004.08.10 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Blackmyst
Is it not possible for the insurance prices and payout to be dynamic, i.e. payout is the average price (taken from ALL regions), and the cost of the insurance worked out form the payout figure? Sure, this way will mean varying insurance prices, rarely being the same price twice, but it would be better than getting 250k for a 15mil isk ship.
Just my 2p's worth
Exploitable. THe producers would sell the interceptor to themselfs at high prices (say 1 bil each) thus making a high avarage price. Then they go out and kill thier ships and get tons of money for something that cost them very little produce.
Head of Xanadu Elite Ships Department |
Blackmyst
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Posted - 2004.08.10 09:14:00 -
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Shoot me down in flames why dont ya! Hehe, only joking.
Oh well, just a thought. Seemed plausible at the time. Maybe something can be worked out from it, I dunno.
Blackmyst
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Blackmyst
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Posted - 2004.08.10 09:14:00 -
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Shoot me down in flames why dont ya! Hehe, only joking.
Oh well, just a thought. Seemed plausible at the time. Maybe something can be worked out from it, I dunno.
Blackmyst
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