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Admiral Zulema
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Posted - 2009.02.21 23:39:00 -
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I want to create a new character on my account. My question is what race and ancestory is best for a PVP character? What I mean by that is which one will train the fastest in pvp skills ie. damage, and tank skills? I could care less about the industry skills I have them on this character.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.22 00:17:00 -
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Race/bloodline will soon mean very little as CCP will be allowing you to respec your character. That being said, if you're looking to get into pvp quickly, I'd suggest the minmatar, they have some of the best low-level pvp ships in the game (rifter for example is awesome). |
Ki Tarra
Caldari
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.22 01:29:00 -
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You choice of race and ancestory has no effect on your possiblities for PvP.
Pick one based on looks of role playing background.
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Admiral Zulema
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Posted - 2009.02.22 02:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Ki Tarra
You choice of race and ancestory has no effect on your possiblities for PvP.
Pick one based on looks of role playing background.
This seems to be bad advise, I would never chose a character based on looks or any role playing crap..
I appreciate your response, but what im looking for is a pilot in the know that doesnt mind sharing which choices on the character creation will give me the best character for a fast learning pvp pilot ie. damage and tanking skills.
I know I can get pvp anytime I want it. All I have to do is just steal from someone or go to lowsec and pick a fight.
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Admiral Zulema
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Posted - 2009.02.22 02:42:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
Race/bloodline will soon mean very little as CCP will be allowing you to respec your character. That being said, if you're looking to get into pvp quickly, I'd suggest the minmatar, they have some of the best low-level pvp ships in the game (rifter for example is awesome).
Thanks for the advise this is closer to what Im asking, It is not that I want to pvp straight away, it is that I want to get a character created that will give me the best attributes for training a PVP pilot over the long haul.
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.22 03:18:00 -
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To reiterate; there no longer is going to be a choice that will matter in the 'long haul' as come the 10th of March everyone will be able to respec their character. This used to be a pertinent question; it no longer is.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.02.22 04:23:00 -
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Actually, since what you want for pretty much any character is balanced attributes - it doesn't matter which race or bloodline you pick. Just get your attributes balanced.
It's like this - if you create a lopsided character - you'll be really good at learning skills that require one type of attribute - but the points you took away from the other attributes to max that one out will screw you for skills that require those attributes.
Everyone needs all the attributes. Combat guys need support skills and Engineers need to be able to run missions to boost their standings with the bases they work with.
Even Empathy has it's uses. If you're going to slight anything - assuming you aren't going to go heavily into leadership roles (and how the hell are you going to know if you're going to do that now or noe?) - then you don't really need as much in the way of Charisma. The thing with Charisma isn't that you don't need it at all - as your Social Skills will greatly help you when dealing with agents, it's just that there aren't as many skills that use Charisma.
Now - the other thing is - if you aren't planning on creating a second account - don't create another character. You'll just duplicate all the same learning skills you already had to do for your first character. Two characters from two accounts can support each other and develop in parallel but splitting an account over more than one character cripples both of them. The only reason to create more than one character on the same account is that you've got the first one reasonably advanced and need another character in a location to far for the other one to travel too.
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Admiral Zulema
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Posted - 2009.02.22 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tranka Verrane
To reiterate; there no longer is going to be a choice that will matter in the 'long haul' as come the 10th of March everyone will be able to respec their character. This used to be a pertinent question; it no longer is.
Ok, maybe I'm blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other but ive have just spent 2 hours reading, and cannot find anything concerning "respec" of a character.
Can you or someone link me to the info on this? Or give a quick run down on what this will mean for me in creating a new character.
Oh BTW this new character I'm creating is on another account.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:10:00 -
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Chracter creation
for PvP find one with low charisma and then try and even out the other stats
as you will need mem | int | perception | willpower in the end anyway
caldari achura
Amarr Cyber knights
are popular choices - however in the end [i.e. +2 yrs ]it will not make much differance,
what you could do now is creat a high mem | int char and burn though the learning | support skills and then re-spec to Perception willpower later
though I have to say that more ballanced skill will probably help overall anyway
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Admiral Zulema
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:20:00 -
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Ok I finally found a start to what I'm Looking for:
A pvp pilot will need the following skill sets:
Drones = Mem/ Perc
Electronics = Int/ Mem
Engineering = Int/ Mem
Gunnery = Perc/ Will
Mechanic = Int/ Mem
Missles = Perc/ Will
Navagation = Int/ Perc
Spacehip CMD = Perc/ Will
So looking at the above the most important attribute for pvp pilot is perception with 3 primary and 2 secondary.
2nd Most important is Intelligence with 4 primary.
3rd is Memory with 1 primary and 3 secondary.
4th is Willpower with 3 secondary.
So I deduct that it is important for a started pilot for PVP only pilot will require high perception and intelligence attributes in order to train the above skills in the shortest amount of time.
I still would like to hear from someone about which initial setup accomplishes what I am intending.
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Admiral Zulema
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
Chracter creation
for PvP find one with low charisma and then try and even out the other stats
as you will need mem | int | perception | willpower in the end anyway
caldari achura
Amarr Cyber knights
are popular choices - however in the end [i.e. +2 yrs ]it will not make much differance,
what you could do now is creat a high mem | int char and burn though the learning | support skills and then re-spec to Perception willpower later
though I have to say that more ballanced skill will probably help overall anyway
Thank you sir, you must have sent it while I was typing the immediate above.
I still dont find anything on this "respec" though..
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 22/02/2009 09:30:35
Originally by: Admiral Zulema
Ok I finally found a start to what I'm Looking for:
A pvp pilot will need the following skill sets:
(...)
You forgot to take into account how much SP you'll train in each of those categories, and the fact that T2 ship skills have Willpower as primary. But high Int/Per is as good a bet as having balanced attributes.
Anyway, RaTTuS provided a link to a tool which will allow you to see what path would suit your needs best. He even gave some useful suggestions for bloodlines.
Originally by: Admiral Zulema
I still dont find anything on this "respec" though..
Weird, since there have been lots of threads about it. It's on SiSi right now. This dev blog mentions it and apparently an upcoming dev blog will go into more detail.
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Admiral Zulema
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
Chracter creation
Amarr Cyber knights
Excellent linkage I thank you again sir this is exactly what I needed.
Amarr Cyber Knights will accomplish what I'm after..
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Admiral Zulema
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Posted - 2009.02.22 09:43:00 -
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Thx Estel
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.02.22 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Zulema
Originally by: Ki Tarra
You choice of race and ancestory has no effect on your possiblities for PvP.
Pick one based on looks of role playing background.
This seems to be bad advise, I would never chose a character based on looks or any role playing crap..
I appreciate your response, but what im looking for is a pilot in the know that doesnt mind sharing which choices on the character creation will give me the best character for a fast learning pvp pilot ie. damage and tanking skills.
I know I can get pvp anytime I want it. All I have to do is just steal from someone or go to lowsec and pick a fight.
You have to live forever with your character. Seriously with all the respec new feature, 80% of Caldari Achura Males are whining hardly because they picked the ugliest face on ever just about some more useful points and now their advantage is gone and they keep the horrible looks.
Some people is just obsessed with attributes. You get 5 free points when creating the character, the +15 additional points during the game (10 from learn skills + 5 from implants) and now the respec.
As you see, you will need a high perception intelligence and willpower in order to get a quick success. Not only in game but out of game aswell:
- Perception: To realize that attributes are not everything and looks/storyline may provide you some enjoyment too. Speed speed speed!!!... Uh? This is a game. Have fun about every aspect of it. L5 skills L5 skills L5 skills!!! Uh? Spend weeks for a +5% performance? It's OK but realize you can be an excellent PVPer with +4 ones.
- Intelligence: To learn that even with not-perfect initial attributes you can get to 24-25 points in important ones, and it will be like the same compared to 28-30points. Just a 15-20% saved time.
- Willpower: To be patient about learning skills and spending all your initial isk on +5implants, since they are the key. A Caldari Achura with no willpower in real life will say "meh" to learning skills and he will train slower than any other race that is played by a wise person.
Just my 2cents.
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Tranka Verrane
Public Venture Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.22 12:16:00 -
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For those who still don't know:
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=618
Read it very carefully, especially:
"Your attributes will be very similar between the races once you start out, but now you will get to change them. A new player will have the opportunity to respec his attributes twice. This allows a new player to change previous decisions they made resulting from not knowing the system.
Once a year, you - and everyone else - can take 14 attribute points, and re-arrange them within reason. Attributes can be set at values anywhere from 5 to 15. This means, that every year, you can take all your spare charisma points and put them into perception if you so please. Or the other way around."
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.02.22 15:01:00 -
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One other thing I forgot to mention, is that you can purchase, though they can be expensive, implants that will increase you attributes in one area by several points.
Thus, if it is very important to you to have an increase in attributes in one specific area, you can save up some money and buy an expensive implant for it.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.22 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Zulema
Originally by: Ki Tarra
You choice of race and ancestory has no effect on your possiblities for PvP.
Pick one based on looks of role playing background.
This seems to be bad advise, I would never chose a character based on looks or any role playing crap..
I appreciate your response, but what im looking for is a pilot in the know that doesnt mind sharing which choices on the character creation will give me the best character for a fast learning pvp pilot ie. damage and tanking skills.
I know I can get pvp anytime I want it. All I have to do is just steal from someone or go to lowsec and pick a fight.
You may not like his answer but it's the right one. Come march 10th you will be able to respec your characters attributes, meaning you can set yourself up with optimal attributes regardless of what you choose as your starting race. Pick one based on looks, or based on starting skills. In the long run it won't matter one bit which race you start off with, so the best advice really is just pick the one that looks best to you. |
SadisticSavior
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:08:00 -
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Quote:
This seems to be bad advise, I would never chose a character based on looks or any role playing crap..
Ok. If all you want is an optimal character template, this site should help you out:
http://www.eve-guides.com/chargen/index.php
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Gartel Reiman
Civis Romanus Sum
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium
Some people is just obsessed with attributes. You get 5 free points when creating the character, the +15 additional points during the game (10 from learn skills + 5 from implants) and now the respec.
Actually it's +16.5 points during the game (because of the 10% boost from Learning V - which does apply to implants too).
Though really, anyone who read the devblog and thought about the mentality behind it should be /threading this - and the same goes to the OP:
CCP is introducing the attribute respec option primarily because new players do not know which attributes are useful for what they want to do until they've played for a bit. In Apocrypha, CCP expect new players to start with roughly balanced attributes and then choose their actual attribute distribution probably a month or two down the line.
Consequently, though you are technically creating your character via the old (current) process, the above applies to you just as much. Pick a character you like, go for roughly balanced attributes but don't fret about it too much, and when you have the experience to know what distribution you would actually like - you'll be able to change to it just as any future new players will.
And really, it's not worth worrying too much about the effect of attributes on training times for the next 2 and a half weeks. Seriously, go with a face/race/background you empathise with as that's all these choices mean from now on.
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