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Gorinia Sanford Sons of Russ 5	Posted - 2012.04.24 23:41:00 - [1] - Quote ...for the first time the other day. I didn't take the bait. So, in order to prevent this, I bought 4 giant secure containers and spread them out in my mining area. Unfortunately, be fairly new, I didn't anchor them and the next day, they were gone. Expensive lesson, but lesson learned. Never ceases to amaze me that no matter how much I learn, there's a vast amount more to learn about this game. I think I'll stick around for a while.
Alyssa SaintCroix Leihkasse Stammheim 28	Posted - 2012.04.24 23:56:00 - [2] - Quote It happens, better to learn from it now than learn from it down the road.
Gorinia Sanford Sons of Russ 6	Posted - 2012.04.25 00:02:00 - [3] - Quote Alyssa SaintCroix wrote: It happens, better to learn from it now than learn from it down the road. Aye. One of my corpmates told me that more cowardly can flippers usually check to see your time played and if you're a newb (like I am), they'll do it to try to goad you into a fight. I'm not ready for PvP. Some time in the future, I hope to have a tricked out T2 PvP ship. But until then, I just enjoy myself mining. And not rise to the bait.
Jiaan Farsala Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat 0	Posted - 2012.04.25 00:14:00 - [4] - Quote Well make sure you do some practice in a cheaper ship before you go out in that tricked out T2 ship and learn even more lessons and end up with a big hole in your wallet. actually don't. fly that fancy ship and find me
Kaomi Zorbaz Claint Industries 0	Posted - 2012.04.25 10:44:00 - [5] - Quote It happens. This character is about 6 years old and they flipped me for a few K in pyroxes one night hoping to get me to do something. I did something alright, got my shuttle and orbited them at close range and went afk for a few beers. Only to see a private convo about what a *** I am. The tears were worth me not mining for 20 mins and grabbing a drink.
Suni Khan Trojan Manufacture LTD 6	Posted - 2012.04.25 11:13:00 - [6] - Quote so exacly why did they care you were in a shuttle orbiting them?
Leca Meca Borg Mining Collective Unimatrix 01 Legion. XIII 0	Posted - 2012.04.25 11:20:00 - [7] - Quote Just never jetcan mine, that is a general rule. I know it's hard not to when starting out but just try not to ever do it. Find you a favorite couple of systems to mine in. In each belt go to 2-6 locations around that belt where it is optimal for your lasers to mine the most, open people and places, go to places, at the bottom save this location. Name them like Belt 1-1, Belt 1-2, Belt 1-3 etc. Do that for every belt you mine so you can quickly warp to station, drop off and quickly warp back to resume. If you do this right it will ease your pain a lot. On a second note you probably know that all you would need to anchor those cans is 1 skill in leadership called anchoring. It's very fast to learn. You can only anchor in systems 0.7 and below. Lastly, if you must jetcan and you find yourself in a system 0.7 or below, once you have jetcaned, name the can Giant Secure Container. While flippers can still tell a difference, they have to be paying attention. GL out there. Don't trust anyone.
Suni Khan Trojan Manufacture LTD 6	Posted - 2012.04.25 11:28:00 - [8] - Quote Anchoring is not in the leadership tree but corporation management. then again. these cans fill up so fast if you are in a mining barge or up it aint worth it. Just find a quite system and jet mine. there are many.
Rengerel en Distel Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord 55	Posted - 2012.04.25 11:37:00 - [9] - Quote Another thing you can do is set up safespot bookmarks in the system and warp to them and drop off your loads there. As long as you refresh your jetcan before it expires in the the 2 hours, you can fill it in general safety then come back with your hauler. It still adds travel time to your mining, but less than docking/undocking each time. Don't assume bad intent, when stupidity is the much more likely cause.
Kaomi Zorbaz Claint Industries 0	Posted - 2012.04.25 11:58:00 - [10] - Quote Suni Khan wrote: so exacly why did they care you were in a shuttle orbiting them? I'd assume because they were looking for me to be a dumbass and attack them or take the ore back. Instead I come back and troll them with a shuttle and go afk.
Erinn Sylvanus NovaTech Universal 0	Posted - 2012.04.25 12:07:00 - [11] - Quote I was hanging out in my Catalyst with some friends who were mining, providing pirate protection and chatting. Along came someone in an Iteron V, and sure enough he can flipped us. Having only played for a few days, I thought I could take him, and started combat. It didn't go well, and soon enough he destroyed my ship. I immediately started a conversation with him, opening with, "Ha - I thought I could easily take an industrial? Mind if I ask for some advice, since I'm pretty new?" What ensued was a good 30 minute discussion with this person. He gave me all kinds of advice, looked at the fitting I had on the catalyst, made recommendations on changes and what skills I should focus on, etc. Then he really surprised me by giving me probably 20 million isk in various modules - along with 6 frigates and a Vexor cruiser! Very nice of the guy, despite his being a can-flipper. :)
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 596	Posted - 2012.04.25 12:54:00 - [12] - Quote redacted There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 596	Posted - 2012.04.25 12:58:00 - [13] - Quote Erinn Sylvanus wrote: I was hanging out in my Catalyst with some friends who were mining, providing pirate protection That's a rather useless thing to do with your gametime TBH. You will not stop a thing from happening fyi. There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 596	Posted - 2012.04.25 12:58:00 - [14] - Quote Suni Khan wrote: so exacly why did they care you were in a shuttle orbiting them? Why don't you ask the correct people next time ? There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing.
Xuixien Stoic Assembly Lines Trade Federation Alliance 26	Posted - 2012.04.25 13:34:00 - [15] - Quote Gorinia Sanford wrote: Alyssa SaintCroix wrote: It happens, better to learn from it now than learn from it down the road. Aye. One of my corpmates told me that more cowardly can flippers usually check to see your time played and if you're a newb (like I am), they'll do it to try to goad you into a fight. I'm not ready for PvP. Some time in the future, I hope to have a tricked out T2 PvP ship. But until then, I just enjoy myself mining. And not rise to the bait. I'm sorry but it annoys me a bit to see people say things like that. All that's going to happen when you finally have your "tricked out T2 PvP ship" is that you'll lose it very quickly because you won't know what you're doing. You'll probably spend a lot of time training and saving ISK, only to lose the ship, get upset, and quit the game. Instead find a group that does "small gang roams", load up a frigate, and go out and have fun. Rabble Rabble!!
Buzzy Warstl The Strontium Asylum 130	Posted - 2012.04.25 13:52:00 - [16] - Quote I recommend the 100 rifter (kestrel/punisher/imicus) PvP training plan. Buy/build a stack of cheapish frigates and PvP until the stack runs out :) Then you're ready to PvP in tricked out T2 ships.
Phugoid BHEI Galactic Construction 11	Posted - 2012.04.25 14:40:00 - [17] - Quote Erinn Sylvanus wrote: I was hanging out in my Catalyst with some friends who were mining, providing pirate protection and chatting. Along came someone in an Iteron V, and sure enough he can flipped us. Having only played for a few days, I thought I could take him, and started combat. It didn't go well, and soon enough he destroyed my ship. I immediately started a conversation with him, opening with, "Ha - I thought I could easily take an industrial? Mind if I ask for some advice, since I'm pretty new?" What ensued was a good 30 minute discussion with this person. He gave me all kinds of advice, looked at the fitting I had on the catalyst, made recommendations on changes and what skills I should focus on, etc. Then he really surprised me by giving me probably 20 million isk in various modules - along with 6 frigates and a Vexor cruiser! Very nice of the guy, despite his being a can-flipper. :) wait a minute? an Itty V destroyed your catalyst??? how'd he do that? usually Itty Vs are made of wallpaper. -áObergruppenfuhrer
Boomhaur 23	Posted - 2012.04.25 14:46:00 - [18] - Quote Buzzy Warstl wrote: I recommend the 100 rifter (kestrel/punisher/imicus) PvP training plan. Buy/build a stack of cheapish frigates and PvP until the stack runs out :) Then you're ready to PvP in tricked out T2 ships. I fully support this, experience is the best lesson. For me back when we had 800k sp alts upon making new characters I made an alt to fly a rifter and trained him for a few hours and than shot at ANYTHING that moved and I do mean anything and I was solo. I jumped frigates, cruisers, bc's, and bs sized ships. You be surprised how many badly fitted bs sizes ships there are in low sec, would've won a few of them but just didn't have the dps to break their tank and the battle lasted for well over 10min of 1vs1. And this is cheaper to do than it sounds, just buy insurance and cheap parts to fit your ship with the idea is to get experience not win the most battles. Alt may be smart though with the sec hits you be taking, especially if you decide to pod. And fighting people in T2 ships don't mean you win, in fact what it does mean is if you lose is that it will hurt a lot more as insurance only covers a small amount of the cost of the t2 ship which makes insurance pointless. And I wouldn't grab a shuttle and orbit somebody just to troll them, it wouldn't annoy a lot of people. In fact if someone did that to me to try to annoy me I might just grab and alt or some friends and pop their shuttle and pod them just for fun. Especially if their an older player as they probably have some nice implants that get destroyed in the process.
Hakaru Ishiwara Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 114	Posted - 2012.04.25 17:39:00 - [19] - Quote Gorinia Sanford wrote: Alyssa SaintCroix wrote: It happens, better to learn from it now than learn from it down the road. Aye. One of my corpmates told me that more cowardly can flippers usually check to see your time played and if you're a newb (like I am), they'll do it to try to goad you into a fight. I'm not ready for PvP. Some time in the future, I hope to have a tricked out T2 PvP ship. But until then, I just enjoy myself mining. And not rise to the bait. As others have said, you do not need a fancy T2 PvP ship to try out PvP. In fact, the opposite is true and you might even take down a fancy T2 PvP ship. Tech 1 ships fit up with high-meta and Tech 2 modules can be fantastic PvP ships and you can buy 3 - 10 of them as compared to their Tech 2 equivalents. While mining your ores, pick key skills such as a racial frigate or cruiser, navigation, electronics and gunnery skills to buff up. This takes time, but the training pays off in greater capabilities from your gear. On a side note, this a great time to be selling minerals on the public markets. Make lots of ISK while prices are high and then the sting of losing your first PvP ships will be nothing. 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters 284 Characters ~~284~~286
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance 88	Posted - 2012.04.25 22:15:00 - [20] - Quote The best solution is of course not to jet can. but when one noob in our corp had his can flipped by the local menace we set a trap for him. Cloaked big guns who sent out the can and waited.. sure enough, the flipper didn't even bother to check the can to see that a 2003 combat pilot had placed it. Our noob targetted the guy. he thinking, "I got one on the hook" was not ready for the scram and webber the miner set... or the help decloaking quietly. He was dust in seconds. [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/OldST.jpg[/IMG]
Erinn Sylvanus NovaTech Universal 0	Posted - 2012.04.26 10:54:00 - [21] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Erinn Sylvanus wrote: I was hanging out in my Catalyst with some friends who were mining, providing pirate protection That's a rather useless thing to do with your gametime TBH. You will not stop a thing from happening fyi. We were chatting, and I was ratting and salvaging in the area, warping back to their belt when rats showed up there. 0.5 space so there was no shortage of them. :)
Erinn Sylvanus NovaTech Universal 0	Posted - 2012.04.26 10:57:00 - [22] - Quote Phugoid wrote: wait a minute? an Itty V destroyed your catalyst??? how'd he do that? usually Itty Vs are made of wallpaper. I think he basically outskilled me. I couldn't do enough damage with my tech 1 guns to overwrite what he was repairing with his armor repairer. On top of that, he was leaching all my capacitor power. Before I knew it I had no cap left. Keep in mind, at the time I had a total of about 2 days of existance, so my skills (both as a player and skill-queue-wise) were pitiful. I suspect he had it fitted similar to this: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/59350-Iteron-Mark-V-When-Haulers-Fight-Back.html
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 600	Posted - 2012.04.26 14:12:00 - [23] - Quote Erinn Sylvanus wrote: Phugoid wrote: wait a minute? an Itty V destroyed your catalyst??? how'd he do that? usually Itty Vs are made of wallpaper. I think he basically outskilled me. I couldn't do enough damage with my tech 1 guns to overwrite what he was repairing with his armor repairer. On top of that, he was leaching all my capacitor power. Before I knew it I had no cap left. Itty V's and other transport ships take out ships all the time. Ever heard of a Battle Badger ?? http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/28444-Badger-Mark-II-quot-High-quot-dps-t2-fit-battle-badger.html There isn't anything left for you to do to Carebears. -áGo, kill them some more. They're like fungus or bacteria, they won't die and they won't stop. All you have to show for years of organized harassment campaigns against them is ... nothing.
Govind Parity Labs 0	Posted - 2012.04.26 15:08:00 - [24] - Quote As others have said, finding alternatives to jet-can mining and / or mining in quiet systems is probably the way to go. That said, there is a trick I used on the (last and final) time I jet-can mined and got can flipped. First I flew back to station and swapped to an industrial ship that could carry all of the ore. I warped back to my can and set myself up so that I was aligned to a station and traveling at full-speed towards the station but with the (now pirate-owned) can near (but not blocking) my flight path. I opened my cargohold and just as the can was in range I opened it, yanked out the contents, and immidiately warped to dock at the station. Naturally this put me on an agression timer and fair game for the pirate to shoot but a bit of luck plus the fact he had minimal time to react (since I was already at top-speed and aligned) allowed me to get my ore back. Keep in mind also that if you do this (and don't want to pvp) that you'll have to wait off the agression in the station (of course as a miner you can be refining / managing market orders). In reality it probably would have been more productive to just take that as a lesson learned and just leave it, but for the stubborn finding themselves in that situation it is an option.
FeAKz Ship vs Rock 49	Posted - 2012.04.27 04:08:00 - [25] - Quote Govind wrote: I opened my cargohold and just as the can was in range I opened it, yanked out the contents, and immidiately warped to dock at the station. Naturally this put me on an agression timer and fair game for the pirate to shoot but a bit of luck plus the fact he had minimal time to react (since I was already at top-speed and aligned) allowed me to get my ore back. Keep in mind also that if you do this (and don't want to pvp) that you'll have to wait off the agression in the station (of course as a miner you can be refining / managing market orders). In reality it probably would have been more productive to just take that as a lesson learned and just leave it, but for the stubborn finding themselves in that situation it is an option. Nah it's a good idea. Imagine being the flipper in cases like these where they have invested time into trying to flip and harass you. They look up and you're gone, can is gone, ore is gone, all for nothing. Then rub it in their face in local by saying something like "And now, to alt-tab back into my wow-raid" (or something else that takes lots of time) so they know you've alt-tabbed and are enjoying yourself elsewhere, and not caring about '15 minute timers'. I once tabbed into BF3 and played for a few hours to come back and find the guy still camping my station, water off a ducks ass to me, but that whole time he could be ganking someone else, wasted.
Tess La'Coil Lightbringer's Sanctuary Fatal Ascension 16	Posted - 2012.04.27 05:18:00 - [26] - Quote Phugoid wrote: wait a minute? an Itty V destroyed your catalyst??? how'd he do that? usually Itty Vs are made of wallpaper. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6so9AT4UydQ You'll be amazed what an iteron can do! Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother.-á
Tess La'Coil Lightbringer's Sanctuary Fatal Ascension 16	Posted - 2012.04.27 05:20:00 - [27] - Quote Double... Someone once said I was a muppet. If that's so, I'm quite sure the Swedish Chef is my brother.-á
Katran Luftschreck Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2012.04.28 14:17:00 - [28] - Quote Dump a can in space. Go back to dock. Switch to tricked out stealth bomber. Return to can. Wait for can-flippers to show up. Satisfaction.
Flurk Hellbron Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 93	Posted - 2012.04.29 03:25:00 - [29] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: Dump a can in space. Go back to dock. Switch to tricked out stealth bomber. Return to can. Wait for can-flippers to show up. Satisfaction. Yep, all that after you subbed for 2 DAY's............ lol
Gorinia Sanford Sons of Russ 14	Posted - 2012.04.29 10:23:00 - [30] - Quote Wow, thanks for all the advice y'all. I have gotten advice from a helpful corp mate who taught me a bit about hardening ships and NOT to use an expensive T2 ship for PvP. I do mine in a quiet system for the most part, just that this particular can flipper sometimes likes to show up, but it seems for the most part he gets on as I'm logging off, so I just avoid him. In fact, just tonight, I was mining near one of the secure containers I have set up and I think he thought to get some more free ore from me or a free kill. He finally warped away, after figuring out I wasn't jetcanning. So far since I've started about three weeks ago or so, I'm now up to around 180 million ISK, so I'm not hurting. I was pissed more about the principle of the thing than the amount of potential ISK I lost. I'll continue to adapt and learn and make ISK hand over fist.
Adeena Torcfist Dark Underground Forces 27	Posted - 2012.05.02 00:34:00 - [31] - Quote Most flippers are in frigs, so a bomber loaded with torps wont do squat. Any other launcher just isnt worth it. I lost a flycatcher to a merlin, after his bum-buddie came into RR is ass & being webbed & 70km out, had no chance of.scaring that RR away. So next time that happens, im getting me a Rook, to take both of them out the fight, or, run away if it gets messy....
Itis Zhellin Vampires of Transilvania 0	Posted - 2012.05.02 12:19:00 - [32] - Quote Erinn Sylvanus wrote: I was hanging out in my Catalyst with some friends who were mining, providing pirate protection and chatting. Along came someone in an Iteron V, and sure enough he can flipped us. Having only played for a few days, I thought I could take him, and started combat. It didn't go well, and soon enough he destroyed my ship. I immediately started a conversation with him, opening with, "Ha - I thought I could easily take an industrial? Mind if I ask for some advice, since I'm pretty new?" What ensued was a good 30 minute discussion with this person. He gave me all kinds of advice, looked at the fitting I had on the catalyst, made recommendations on changes and what skills I should focus on, etc. Then he really surprised me by giving me probably 20 million isk in various modules - along with 6 frigates and a Vexor cruiser! Very nice of the guy, despite his being a can-flipper. :) It might be the same guy that gave me the first pvp experience in the game. It happened during my trial when I was mining in the gallente noobs area trying to gather some minerals to make a bit of money. There were other miners too so I thought its safe to jet a can and speed up a bit the mining process. Then this lonely Iteron V shown up and slowly approached me then fliped my can. At that point all I knew about Iteron was that they are freighter ships. So I jumped in the base and grabbed my badly fitted Catalyst and warped back to bring down the thief. Soon as I opened the fire, the guy started to warp scramble me and dried out in just a second my capacitor. Then he just blew my ship up, but no pod kill. So even I lost almost everything I had at that time, I was not pissed at all because actually this incident was a good lesson for me. Sadly, at that time I did not know how to chat with other player.. so I might just missed few good advices
DJ Skrull K.A.O.S. Constructions 0	Posted - 2012.05.02 17:32:00 - [33] - Quote I found a sweet mining spot of 4 systems and in my 4 years mining in those 4 systems, I've only had a 2 week event where I got flipped. You can anchor down secure containers, but that will probably waste more of your time than making trips. Don't take the bait, no matter what you do. 1 can < 1 Ship. My suggestion is to look on the map and learn how to apply filters. Once you do that, look for a quiet high sec system that's had minimum jumps over the longest time. That's how you find quiet mining spots.

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