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Khrillian
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.02.25 09:34:00 -
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Edited by: Khrillian on 25/02/2009 09:38:08
Does anyone familiar with the history of EVE know? Why did people cluster around Jita as opposed to some other system. I'm assuming it wasn't just random where you have N people in several systems and then the first system to get N+1 people suddenly becomes a hub because of network externalities. There must be some advantage that underlies the initial choice of early settlers of Jita or whatever hub was going to replace Yulai.
Is it mostly because of Caldari mission runners? I know the system has a lot of factories, but surely there are other systems which also have plenty of factories? Did Jita initially have very good ore (before it was removed) so was already a manufacturing hub?
If it was because of mission runners in Motsu, why didn't the hub just become Motsu?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.02.25 09:39:00 -
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It was a combination of available stations with build slots, reasonable distance to various other hubs and low sec entrances, and a damn good amount of mission agents.
Combined I believe this gave the initial start till networking effects made today's Jita inevitable. (i.e. Jita lag increase, more lag fix, more people in jita - wash repeat rinse.)
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Forceflow
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.02.25 09:40:00 -
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EVElopedia
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.02.25 09:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Forceflow
EVElopedia
Is there any hope that people will believe I did not read Evelopedia before I posted my opinion?
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Forceflow
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.02.25 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Forceflow
EVElopedia
Is there any hope that people will believe I did not read Evelopedia before I posted my opinion?
Wasn't directed at you. Was referring it to OP.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.02.25 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Forceflow
Wasn't directed at you. Was referring it to OP.
No worries. I was just surprised that what I typed matched so closely Evelopedia. (Stunned actually.) I phear plagiarism accusations.
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Market Checkerr
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Posted - 2009.02.25 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Is there any hope that people will believe I did not read Evelopedia before I posted my opinion?
who cares?
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Kitchie
Gallente
Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.25 16:46:00 -
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I think we have to thank that megopolis - Jita - for Stackless IO, 64 bit processors, Ramjams (or whatever they are), Bionic hamsters and all other mods that have allowed Scamville to now function with over 1,000 locals.
Fleet battles? You guys ought to thank us that it helped you as well 
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ingenting
Cohors Alaria
Legio Mithras
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Posted - 2009.02.25 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kitchie
Fleet battles? You guys ought to thank us that it helped you as well
Still broken.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:42:00 -
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I fondly remember Yulai. I was there when they removed the "highways" and as someone who was living in Amarr territory at the time, it made it fairly difficult to safely travel from the major trade centers in Amarr space to the major trade centers in Gallente and Minmatar space. Caldari space was fairly convenient to the rest of Empire, and Jita just happened to be the Caldari trade hub at the time. (And hubs were hubs for all the reasons mentioned above, slots, agents, etc.)
I used to have a route that I would take in a shuttle to visit all the empire regions to check prices for implants (for sale) and named modules (for purchase). I had to change the route when they took out the highways and it was about twice as long, but I soon gave it up when all the trade volume started switching to Jita.
Yulai was the hub in the old days, but it was nowhere near as dominant as Jita has become because back then it was so much easier to fly around and check prices. Now with freighters becoming much more common it makes more sense to do one-stop-shopping, making it both easier to haul more stuff to-and-from Jita and harder to drag stuff all over Empire to find a good price.
I'd be interested in hearing from people with other perspectives, but I think the only system that had a chance to compete with Jita as the "New Yulai" was Oursulaert and it was probably geography again that tipped the balance toward Jita. Also I think Jita was probably the #2 hub after Yulai, and when they they totally cut off access to Yulai, Jita may have just fallen into the #1 spot.
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Kiyoseki
One-Trick Pony Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.26 16:02:00 -
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Shar, the people who know you, know better. Those who don't know you shouldn't care and should go back to GD section. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.02.26 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kiyoseki
Shar, the people who know you, know better. Those who don't know you shouldn't care and should go back to GD section.
I ain't worried. Sometimes I post whimsical stuff along with actual content. (Be it debates, information, or trolling mind you.) Mostly because eve must include fun and doing whimsical is my personal version of it though not my only fun thing in Eve as well. For instance, I love referring to trolling posts without actually referring to the person who posted it. Because I believe that sometimes even dumb people can occasionally find the right answer. In this thread, "who cares", was exactly the right answer. It doesn't matter, not even to me. But then I guess the poster was dumb enough to miss that point by taking the time to say, "who cares". Irony in action and I love it personally. As to the thread: TBH I think the solution to Jita is to remove Jita from it's very own node. Stop fixing lag in Jita, stop buffing it, and you'll quickly find that people will move from Jita. Grudgingly, whiningly, vociferously, but inevitably. Stop making Jita more capable and Jita would lose a lot of it's attractiveness. There used to be the collective conscious though that Jita was not worth the trouble due to all the lag. Only the most diehard/desperate would go in. Now, with comments like, "Wow lag is not bad in Jita" only serves as honey to draw in more flies. More flies, more lag, eventually leading to the hard cap that exists. I'll grant that I think CCP has come up with a solution that works. But only for right now. If CCP continues to grab market share, for Eve Online, with the mmo customer base the current limits are just that, current and limits. After all, this has happened before. So, I've always held the opinion that catering to Jita is as much the sustainer of Jita, as is, as any other factor.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.02.27 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
So, I've always held the opinion that catering to Jita is as much the sustainer of Jita, as is, as any other factor.[/justify]
Jita has reached a critical density and while not continuing to deal with the lag would put a cap on its growth, even that will not kill it as a trade hub. We've reached the point where it's too widely known and too widely used for it to die so for better or for worse, we're stuck with it.
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente
TarNec
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Posted - 2009.02.27 13:15:00 -
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True Jita is a natural need..
I would however abuse the opertunity to mention again that more branch hubs could exist if the current number of orders were increased.
As it is you can not really go byuy a lot of small piles in Jita and resell elsewhere.
This would be much easier with a factor 10 increase of the order books. Then players would pick up things in Jita and trade more elsewhere.. With that less need would exist for always going to Jita..
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Rytiri Lva
R.U.R.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Ayrania
True Jita is a natural need..
I would however abuse the opertunity to mention again that more branch hubs could exist if the current number of orders were increased.
As it is you can not really go byuy a lot of small piles in Jita and resell elsewhere.
This would be much easier with a factor 10 increase of the order books. Then players would pick up things in Jita and trade more elsewhere.. With that less need would exist for always going to Jita..
hush
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