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Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz' aar K'in	Posted - 2009.02.26 19:57:00 - [91] Sounds promising! Here's to hoping they will have a good story. I like stories with a bloody ending... Thukker/Angel corp WANTS YOU!
Myrhial Arkenath Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.02.27 08:41:00 - [92] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Edited by: CCP Dropbear on 26/02/2009 18:14:01 Originally by: Ydyp Ieva The title says 'should you choose to accept it', but I'm more worried about what happens when a normal mission expires. As I noticed you get auto-offered a mission when you talk to an agent. This mission gets added to the journal and gets a date for when it expires. Standings hits for mission expiry have been removed from all missions, across the board. I approve CEO \| Diary of a pod pilot
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.27 08:43:00 - [93] pls pls pls tell me you made mining agents give mining missions when you where fiddling around with the agent system. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.27 09:13:00 - [94] Originally by: CCP Jasonitas Quote: Will this missions brings us into all 4 faction space to complete them? Yes, this arc will span all four factions. We don't give you anything special to combat your negative standings in certain Empire space, but I can give you a warning that you shouldn't fly this particular arc if you are worried about getting ganked because of your negative standing. "Blood-Stained Stars" is geared towards newer players as a chance to see all of EVE in a story-driven context. It'll give them a chance to leave the starter systems and the familiar space and to actually see what the other Empires are like. You can certainly fly this arc as an older player, but if you are worried about your standing, keep that factor in mind. We have more Epic Arcs to come, and they may be geared to certain factions or Empires. But just like you would not run missions in some Empire space or for certain factions because of your standings, you probably would not run some Epic Arcs for the same reasons. this hardly sounds epic although by the time the noobs get through the content new content should be ready, yay for a level 3 chain (or will they just go wtf what do I do now?) I was looking forward to slaughtering gallente. go beat around the bush for a bit and then WOAH! They brought a fleet to attack jita, intercept them in new caldari. depending on how you completed (or failed to complete) your last objectives, it could either increase or decrease the difficulty of the final mission, or even lead to a few more cleanup missions. get a caldari navy scorpion bpc for the effort. cough faction tier 1 bs for killing enemy empire faction missions only cough I would love to have said state issue raven, but apparently other devs start throwing stuff at you for mentioning stuff like that
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.27 09:14:00 - [95] Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath Originally by: CCP Dropbear Edited by: CCP Dropbear on 26/02/2009 18:14:01 Originally by: Ydyp Ieva The title says 'should you choose to accept it', but I'm more worried about what happens when a normal mission expires. As I noticed you get auto-offered a mission when you talk to an agent. This mission gets added to the journal and gets a date for when it expires. Standings hits for mission expiry have been removed from all missions, across the board. I approve well, can I get my 10.0 cpf standing back
Typhado3 Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.27 09:33:00 - [96] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Venkul Mul To the Devs, 1 problem and 1 question: Problem. have you considered that the auto balancing feature will not work with this Epic mission arc? CCP usual system of starting rewards at the lowest possible level and then leave the auto balancer to adjust them will backfire heavily there. The mission will be run a limited number of times so the autobalancer will have a limited quantity of data to use to adjust the rewards and the first players to do it will be veterans wanting to see the new epic arc. So the rewards will stay to the lower level for years, not a month at most like a normal mission. Question: the first mission in the Epic arc don't give LP. It is a common thing for them? Have you considered that when giving out the others rewards? not to mention the auto-balance doesn't work. There is a cap. and every missions ALWAYS hits this cap. think about it, how many level 4 missions are run successfully 80-90% well the rewards have never been going down. also factional warfare missions. They don't work, because the success rate is like 20%, and they never went up. u should try hauling missions, they autobalancer works even less for those. ccp fix mining agent missions % pls
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.02.27 10:42:00 - [97] Quote: this hardly sounds epic Sad They aren't using the 18-24 year old version of the word epic.
The Snowman Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.27 10:48:00 - [98] OK, so from what I read we dont have branching options WITHIN the mission. its all at the Agent interaction. So, in the future would you be able to develop your tools so that a mission can have two possible goals for completion?. Which doesnt effect the reward (you still either fail or succeed) For example, in Worlds collide you get two gates at the start, each of these gates goes into a seperate pocket, however after this pocket BOTH gates go to the final room where your mission completion trigger is. So in a system with multiple 'mission complete triggers' you can decide to jump into seperate pockets which both have their own unique spawns and their own unique completion option. The reasons I ask this is because some people love to just complete missions as quickly as possible, but some prefer to hang about and kill the rats with juicy bounties. So in my imaginary 'Epic - Worlds Colide' I can either complete as normal, or I can go into a seperate room with different spawns, but now that I have chosen to go into this seperate room your agent sends you a transmission to say "forget picking up the prisoners - you'v discoverd 'x-building' which we have been hunting for months, destroy this building but watch out we expect re-inforcments to arrive. Do you get what I mean?
Mikal Drey Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.28 08:13:00 - [99] hey hey yay for epic arcs and everything they bring. i submitted something similar to Scott a while back (stealing my ideas again i see ) my ONLY concern is towards agent distribution. i havent really missioned in a hub system and my away from 0.0 agent pool is in an ass end area of space where i get to play without the hassles of modern hub life. all my gear is there and my ships are there. i really really want to do theese arcs and maybe even abuse them so that i experience all the mryiad of branches (yes rewards too) after ive played out one for storyline and immersion sexiness ofc. will the Epic Agents That are EPIC be placed near hubs ? low sec ? ass end space ? 42 jumps from ****a ? also with [james earl jones]EPIC AGENTS[/james earl jones] are the usual standing restrictions in place ? i am loved and worshiped like a god by Minmatar(+10) and only a minor Deiety by the Gallente (+9.72) will i have to work like a M10 Pleb to access their corp (are they even specific to new corp/division) or due to my epic standings to my beloved tribe and its corporations can i pass L1 and go directly to L5 ? hmmm more questions that i initially suspected Many thanks in advance Mikal Drey Loyal and Proud Brutor Shattered Crystal - The best place for all your online codes
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.28 14:12:00 - [100] PVE in EVE will never really be anymore challenging or different than the current missions. Its simply not designed to allow it. People wont really do anything that gives a real challenge as they might end up losing ships and then losing isk. Some people might claim otherwise but in practice it wont happen outside of an occasional try. There is no room for the wow style "raid dungeons" as it costs too much isk, and there isnt really any special reward that you need to do it for (epics). It wont be much more challenging as the basics of eve combat is fairly simple when the player always controls the time and place to fight. It wont be anymore interesting as you will still be fighting the same red crosses and it wont require much more interaction to pilot your ship.

Josef Amerentev Gallente E.M.P. Industries Malum Exuro	Posted - 2009.02.28 17:15:00 - [101] Originally by: CCP Jasonitas Remote completion is an option available to us, not a default setting. It's not quite an epic option, but it is revolutionarily epic-like. i would really like this. further, might this lead to performing agent missions remotely? ie. doing missions in a different patch of high/low than the agent is at?
Wolfmoon Pack Of Pagans	Posted - 2009.03.01 09:27:00 - [102] If you send me into lowsec without an option to avoid it without getting a rep hit, I'm gonna pod you personally, then leave the game to the pvp freaks.
Linda kays Gallente Valley Forge Wrath.	Posted - 2009.03.02 14:39:00 - [103] Sorry, seems I'm a bit late for this, yet I've been screaming it for ages. I like my Agents alot. But I hate when they turn in to Terrorist. Where in New eden will a good Honest gal find work that doesn't involve basicly being a terrorist in some eyes and a Freedom figthing in other? Now with Arcs there migth be a way to turn agents even more "boring". But, Hey I like bringing those homeless people a helping hand of food. I see I make a diffrence, not huge, but I see it. Like I hate the dark rigthous eyes My other agent get when he things it's natural to go shoot up freed slaves and then blame the Amarians for doing so. Come on, call that justice again. And don't think the Galente, Caldari or Amarrians don't have they small schemes, but there's a diffrence between outrigth terrorism, and turning a blind eye. As I wouldn't mind transporting Sealed Cargo. Just don't tell me what's in it then, and have the paper works in order. Short wording, Please let me work for the various corps, without being called Freedom figther/Terrorist. That's always just a matter of which side you're on. http://elune-ferret.spaces.live.com/
Vyktor Abyss IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.03 18:16:00 - [104] I've read most of the posts across here and the Game Development forum on Epic Mission Arc(s). I have to say that everything I've read points to the fact that the development team in Atlanta likes beer, and abstract thought. these two things are great elements for any creative department, but they appear to be all the Atlanta group has to offer. By your own admission you have 2 SCRUM teams of developers working full time since August (? You reported of having designs/plans dating back to this time.), and have delivered ONE mission arc, with ONE branching point designed for ONE relatively small group of players. You claim to have developed a new "toolset" in this time, but dont actually describe much of what this is or enables you to do compared to say the existing mission "toolset" in your blog. You in fact even suggest other many part/escalating missions are in fact "mini arcs" - begging the question : WHAT'S NEW HERE? Everything I have read points to these ARCs actually just being a set of missions that one you complete the mission you move to the next, like you say with one branching point. So you get to fly around a lot of New Eden in one mission series - that really is nothing really new or exciting. I'd also like to point out the fact that this ONE mission series...no sorry, "arc" falls at the first hurdle and fails to complete due to an agent bug on SiSi. You promise that this new authoring toolset or whatever will allow you to make many many more mission arcs you have "planned" (reads: One night/long lunch we got ***ed and talked about what'd be cool, then someone made a 1 side of A4 "document" of the meeting), but CCP have been making promises like this for years now. COSMOS missions? What the feck ever happened to COSMOS part 2? More "improved" faction warfare mission content.... What the hell happened there? No, sorry - not buying the hype this time CCP. I will of course try it when its released and see for myself, but from the words of others this really is the not "new" dynamic* and challenging missions that has been being asked for by PVE'rs for ages - it is the same old tired routine of trundle through some series of missions that CCP in your wisdom and hope to gain subs - hype by calling them "EPIC!!1!" when in fact what you really wanted to release you've not been able to do due to time constraints (4 Faction "arcs") and technical issues. Yes I'm scathing in this post. No, I've not tried it yet. Yes this does make me a "bitter" vet. No, I'm not rage quitting because I've invested so much time in Eve. Yes you are entitled to hate me for blasting CCP. BUT: At the end of the day, I and my fellow subscribers have been paying for this game for a long time. We are tired of cliched hype about "new" features and "Uber" mechanics that are in fact the same old tired mechanics dressed up to look like something new - but really offer nothing new. These epic mission arcs appear to sum up for me how poorly CCP is focusing its development if 2 SCRUM teams have been working full time independently for a number of months and have only produced this. The potential for missions to capture the excitement and offer dynamic and engaging scenarios for players to play out is massive. This expansion offers let me repeat: 1 mission series with 1 branch point that doesn't work yet. Hardly dynamic or engaging, or even "new" considering we have 10 part (etc) mission series before. The only explanation for such a low output is as you Atlanta folks hinted at being pulled into another area of Eve's development during this cycle. I'm guessing they needed you for Wormhole "content" as thats probably the main 'exceiting' part of this expansion. Well hopefully that part of Eve will keep me interested until you actually churn out something "new" and dynamic for eve PVE. - Sorry, all of this from a 0.0 pvpers probably is two faced slander, but I really am disappointed by what I've read.
Nathan Baxter Department X	Posted - 2009.03.03 19:25:00 - [105] Originally by: CCP Jasonitas Quote: "Blood-Stained Stars" is something like 50-60 missions, Is that devided by 5 choices between each mission and 4 factions ? making it really a 5 missions story arc ? or is playing this amazing epic arc really a serie of about 60 missions to complete ? Because we heard before in the last 2 years during expensions and patches how 100 new missions were being added and turns out was about 7 missions accross level 1-2... and accross 4 factions and a slight modifications to the spawning of rats in other mission in the need for speed initiative. Nathan

CCP Jasonitas	Posted - 2009.03.03 19:58:00 - [106] Edited by: CCP Jasonitas on 03/03/2009 20:00:03 Quote: "Blood-Stained Stars" is something like 50-60 missions, Is that devided by 5 choices between each mission and 4 factions ? making it really a 5 missions story arc ? or is playing this amazing epic arc really a serie of about 60 missions to complete ? Because we heard before in the last 2 years during expensions and patches how 100 new missions were being added and turns out was about 7 missions accross level 1-2... and accross 4 factions and a slight modifications to the spawning of rats in other mission in the need for speed initiative. Nathan It's about 50-60 missions across 7 chapters, mostly in sequence. There are two branching points, but they do converge again back into the main story sequence. Thus, while playing this arc, you will probably play about 40-50 missions (my numbers are estimates and approximations, mind. I'll have to sit down and actually count the missions one day.)

Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2009.03.04 02:13:00 - [107] Originally by: CCP Fallout Okay, everyone. Please raise your hand if you are tired of your mission agents giving you boring, random missions. Raise them higher if you're just downright annoyed that they give you the same missions over and over and over again. Frankly, we are, too. That's why Apocrypha, our next and most expansive expansion will include a brand new feature: Epic Mission Arcs! In his newest blog, CCP Molock gives us the 411 on what's in store for epic arcs. Learn how epic arcs will bring an ongoing story into New Eden with branching missions that will bring exciting challenges to both new and old players alike. I have to say, it's looks terrible. Leave control the same, but swap two frames in place. And it will be good. -- Thanks CCP for cu
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2009.03.04 14:34:00 - [108] Originally by: CCP Jasonitas Edited by: CCP Jasonitas on 03/03/2009 20:00:03 Quote: "Blood-Stained Stars" is something like 50-60 missions, Is that devided by 5 choices between each mission and 4 factions ? making it really a 5 missions story arc ? or is playing this amazing epic arc really a serie of about 60 missions to complete ? Because we heard before in the last 2 years during expensions and patches how 100 new missions were being added and turns out was about 7 missions accross level 1-2... and accross 4 factions and a slight modifications to the spawning of rats in other mission in the need for speed initiative. Nathan It's about 50-60 missions across 7 chapters, mostly in sequence. There are two branching points, but they do converge again back into the main story sequence. Thus, while playing this arc, you will probably play about 40-50 missions (my numbers are estimates and approximations, mind. I'll have to sit down and actually count the missions one day.) I thought the idea was to have different ending all together :( Is this even still possible with the new system in place?
Nathan Baxter Department X	Posted - 2009.03.04 16:28:00 - [109] Originally by: CCP Jasonitas Edited by: CCP Jasonitas on 03/03/2009 20:00:03 Quote: "Blood-Stained Stars" is something like 50-60 missions, Is that devided by 5 choices between each mission and 4 factions ? making it really a 5 missions story arc ? or is playing this amazing epic arc really a serie of about 60 missions to complete ? Because we heard before in the last 2 years during expensions and patches how 100 new missions were being added and turns out was about 7 missions accross level 1-2... and accross 4 factions and a slight modifications to the spawning of rats in other mission in the need for speed initiative. Nathan It's about 50-60 missions across 7 chapters, mostly in sequence. There are two branching points, but they do converge again back into the main story sequence. Thus, while playing this arc, you will probably play about 40-50 missions (my numbers are estimates and approximations, mind. I'll have to sit down and actually count the missions one day.) Thanks CCP Jasonitas sounds very exciting tbh , can't wait to try it . Nathan
Neena Vilrae	Posted - 2009.03.04 19:59:00 - [110] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss sad rabble something "new" and dynamic for eve PVE. Wow, with that attitude you will never be happy with anything that gets added since obviously you spend more time vilifying devs and thinking about what you don't have then enjoying what you do... I didn't see any example of what you consider "dynamic" or and suggestions for improving the mission system. Offer some suggestions instead of just vitriol and you might help the process a bit more and just might get the kind of gameplay you are after.

Vyktor Abyss IONSTAR Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.04 23:10:00 - [111] Re: Above post You wouldn't see anything about what would be good PVE content here because its a reply to a Dev Blog. I used to post roughly 2 to 3 ideas a week for months on the ideas part of the forum. I never got one Dev response, despite a lot of very good feedback from a lot of players - almost noone gets CCP feedback there - Even before the CSM (When CCP were supposed to read that forum for ideas). The sorry fact is what people have wanted for donkeys years, are player created/driven missions of sorts - or at least something that has a consequence in the universe of Eve. Faction Warfare missions were supposed to bring that to a degree but have failed hard. Now I'm vilifying CCP rather than specific Devs tbh. because they spend months on a system and one particularly "long" mission which works almost identically to the current mission system (as far as players can tell) in ters of not "dynamically changing the universe" or impacting the world of Eve (Other than the ISK faucet we all love so much). If its "rabble" to be demanding a better missioning system after 5 years of constant game development than more of the same (with bells on), then by all means I'll sign up for the rabble today! Instead what we have is CCP announcing what does actually look like a great expansion in terms of wormholes, graphics updates etc - but announcing "Epic Missions Arcs...(oops)" as a major feature of this expansion is misleading marketing tosh IMHO, because the reality is (from what I've read thus far) it's possibly the weakest feature (now reduced) offering very little that is new, compared to the rest of the coming expansion. Put it this way - I'm more excited about the statement "You will not lose standing for mission time expiring", than anything else I've read about these arcs. Sorry if that upsets people, but maybe I'll do a complete 180 after I try it - who knows!? I'm not just bashing CCP coz I'm angry at them for not giving me what I want - I'm bashing them because - IN THIS INSTANCE: I feel they can do better. They are after all the creators of the best, most innovative game I've ever played. I just hope the real innovators at CCP will turn their eyes to the ideas forum, turn their minds to one of the key elements of eve - the mission system as a whole, and then turning eve into a better game as a result. Shame on me then for demanding that and expressing it on the forum after 3 years paying my hard earned money.
Zijiruu Amarr Vado Fututio Vestri Infernal Experiments	Posted - 2009.03.10 17:20:00 - [112] so... how do you do this epic mission not being a new player? referred by an agent? what agent?
Trademaster Joe	Posted - 2009.03.10 19:54:00 - [113] Originally by: CCP Jasonitas Quote: So how exactly do you know where to look for these epic agents? You'll be referred to the initial Epic Arc agent by another agent. Prep your resume. Hmm, Do all races get a referral for this first epic arc?
Tehopenee	Posted - 2009.03.12 12:03:00 - [114] Epic missions seem to be a good thuoght but if you have to end up in territorys where you are KOS then they do me no good. I keep seeing additions that we can almost use. If I am wrong about ending up in KOS regions when attempting a epic mission then I will be doing them. But if I am right looks to be a waste of time. :)

CCP Jasonitas	Posted - 2009.03.12 14:25:00 - [115] Quote: Epic missions seem to be a good thuoght but if you have to end up in territorys where you are KOS then they do me no good. I keep seeing additions that we can almost use. If I am wrong about ending up in KOS regions when attempting a epic mission then I will be doing them. But if I am right looks to be a waste of time. :) Your worries only apply to this epic arc (The Blood-Stained Stars). It was intended for new players as a "tour of New Eden" of sorts. That being said, you can still fly most of the arc even if your standings are low for some faction (although there is a threshold for this). And, of course, you may not want to venture in some territory. But future arcs will be rolled out that are geared towards different factions only, so you can certainly play those.

Aolla	Posted - 2009.03.12 15:25:00 - [116] Why do I have a feeling that most of the new players wont even know about this Epic arc. Most of new players probably don't even read the forums. At the beginning of their game, you could send them a letter or send an agent to talk to them and ask them to start these epic missions. At the same time, they are new to the game, epic or non epic wont make a difference to them. Being able to talk to an agent from space and handing in missions, in my opinion, is a very smart since most of the new players who quit, quit because they get super frustrated by jumping from one system to another over and over again. But why make us so jealous?

CCP Dropbear	Posted - 2009.03.19 22:58:00 - [117] We have various things pointing newcomers (and all players) to the epic arc.

DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2009.03.20 09:54:00 - [118] Well, I just did the new Epic Mission Arc and posted my report about it in this thread listed below. EVE Information Portal EVE Online: Apocrypha Feedback Thread Page #32, Post #960
Crux Xybalba Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.22 09:06:00 - [119] I got a problem - I came to the point when I had to choose between two alternative missions the first time. Not knowing that the offer would expire (since none of the other epic arc missions had ever expired), I waited too long and now Sister Alitura is mad at me for my indecisiveness.^^ Is there a way to get back into the epic arc? -Crux
Zaff Solarstar	Posted - 2009.03.22 18:24:00 - [120] Same thing here - up to mission 46, hadnt accepted it because I went out for dinner... come home after maintenace to find the offer has expired. It was only available to me for a few hours even though it said epic arc missions do not expire!? Does this mean I've just lost my epic arc? The sisters of EVE NPC keeps saying she has nothing for me..... Can I get it back? If so, how? Have I done 45x other missions for nothing and wont be able to see how the story ends up? :( :(



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