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shortattenionsp
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:24:00 -
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Simply put, I am interested in how much people spend on their pvp ships relative to their total wealth.
How much of your wealth do you risk when you pvp?
I have a feeling i'm a total cheapskate when it comes to risking isk. I have 8-9b isk total, make 50-100m a day - but I only fly T1 cruisers and frigates (T2 fits, but no expensive rigs like trimarks, ACR's, polycarbons and core extenders). Occasionally I will fly a BC. My losses normally total 5-8 frigs + 1 - 3 cruisers a week (obviously varies massively but this is a rough guess).
By pvp I mean solo or small gang or some sort of fleet pvp where you have a relatively high chance of dying, (not gatecamping or ganking randoms in low sec with a fleeted loki floating around system, i.e. very low risk stuff)
I know there are people out there who are happy to put 100m into a BC when they have 200m in their wallet. I don't feel particularly bad when I lose ship and just hop in another one right away. I'd hate to have to go do some missions or make some new isk and wait before fitting another pvp ship.
90% of my eve time is spent pvping, maybe 10-15 mins a day trading to make isk. The thing is I have enough isk to pay for months and years of ships but for some reason won't fly anything more expensive.
I know a bunch of people will reply with inflated epeen wallet estimations or various forum warrior rubbish but ignoring them i'm interested in other people's perception of risk and what they are willing to fly relative to their wallet. Are you risk averse like me or do you fly ships that cost half your total isk? |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
411
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:28:00 -
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shortattenionsp wrote:Simply put, I am interested in how much people spend on their pvp ships relative to their total wealth
I always have enough to replace all the ships in my hangar twice over. |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
225
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:30:00 -
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I would spend all of it if i know i can earn more except for a replacement buffer if i would lose my income source. I have a few bil but i wouldnt fly anything less then a BC or assault frig because the t1 stuff is weak and not as fun.
Its good to have a corp/alliance that can help you replace your losses so you can care less and have more fun. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1370
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Posted - 2012.04.25 22:36:00 -
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It sounds like your income (50-100M/day) is vaguely similar to your outflow (5-8 frigs + 1-3 cruisers). That sounds like a reasonable status quo. If you are having fun with your fights and enjoy them, then losing more ships but the same amount of ISK sounds like a perfectly valid system.
Personally, I tend to be in a similar situation with regards to the ISK I'm willing to lose with relation to my wallet. I have less ISK and fly more expensive ships, but I fly PvP rarely enough that I wouldn't lose a significant portion of ISK with any one loss and I will just stop if I feel like I've lost too much already.
In my eyes, as long as you have fun and don't go broke, anything is fine. If you have fun using T1 hulls, use 'em. If you have more fun using T2/faction hulls and can afford them, then use those. As long as you're having fun, it's all good. |
shortattenionsp
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:15:00 -
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mxzf wrote:It sounds like your income (50-100M/day) is vaguely similar to your outflow (5-8 frigs + 1-3 cruisers). That sounds like a reasonable status quo.
Those losses I spoke about were per week, not per day :) That was my point - I make a lot more isk than I lose but haven't increased my spending.
Maybe I will fly BC's and T2 stuff some more, to be honest though I think I enjoy pvp less when i'm flying something expensive that I care about losing. |
Heun zero
Reliant Tactical Operations
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:27:00 -
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shortattenionsp wrote:mxzf wrote:It sounds like your income (50-100M/day) is vaguely similar to your outflow (5-8 frigs + 1-3 cruisers). That sounds like a reasonable status quo. Those losses I spoke about were per week, not per day :) That was my point - I make a lot more isk than I lose but haven't increased my spending.
I think he's given some good advice though, As long as you lose less isk (or equal) in pvp then you make, you're golden
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill
EVE Animal Control
243
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Posted - 2012.04.25 23:28:00 -
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If you can't afford to lose it twice, then don't fly it. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
104
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:38:00 -
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shortattenionsp wrote:
I know a bunch of people will reply with inflated epeen wallet estimations or various forum warrior rubbish but ignoring them i'm interested in other people's perception of risk and what they are willing to fly relative to their wallet. Are you risk averse like me or do you fly ships that cost half your total isk?
I look at it as a matter of income and expenses. With normal game play I make round about 50-60 mil isk per day. That translates into round about 1.5bil per month, give or take. If I have to isk grind to fatten up the wallet for something then I can drive that income up to about 200mil a day but then I don't have time for the fun stuff. So that's my income. Normally 1.5 and up to 6 bil per month (that number is theoretical because I don't have the patience for a lot of isk grinding).
In the time I've been playing I've seen that in normal months i'll lose about 500mil in ships which is a lot less than my average income. Ergo, my "buying power" has grown to the point where I fly whatever I feel like flying for normal PVP and my losses are almost always less than my income in normal game play so I just do what I feel like doing.
in terms of how that compares to net-worth, I don't know. I usually keep a small collection of fitted ships around and I tend to work with the same ships for a period of time so I can either manufacture them myself or buy them in large(ish) quantities. For example, I wouldn't buy just 1 hurricane. I would buy/make 20 of them using buy orders over a period of time and then sell back what I still have on hand at some point down the road using sell orders when I get bored of flying hurricanes. I do the same thing with everything.... modules, minerals, you name it. It's because inflation makes having isk in your wallet counter productive on some level so I tend to think long-term and convert my money to "stuff" and sell back the "stuff" when I need money. In most cases I come out ahead. The cash I have on hand is therefore never really excessive. Maybe 3-4 billion or so. The rest is locked up in market escrow or in piles making money from inflation.
As for being risk averse... no. I would become more risk averse if my losses outstripped my income for a few months but so far that hasn't happened to the point where it was a worry. My alt that lives in null-sec has an isk-efficiency of a little over 95% over a couple of thousand kills but a lot of that is in fleets so your chances of survival are pretty good all things considered. I have another character that I use for PVP-ing out of a wormhole in wherever we get an exit and with that one I do mostly solo work. His isk efficiency is usually around 50%. I won't go balls-deep on stupid stuff but if I think I have a 50/50 chance then I'll go for it and my isk efficiency seems to confirm that my feeling for 50/50 is pretty much spot on. This month has been good, though. That alt is up to about 90% and about to go up a bit more when the guy I'm waiting for while I write this decides taht I'm really gone and goes back to mining his mercoxit. |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
34
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:45:00 -
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I swing back and forth between a period of carebearing and a period of PvP (when I'm busy RL i carebear, when I have a few days off i go all out PvP). When I PvP I spend a lot, trying out new fits for stuff like BS and T2 cruisers for fun. During this period I aim to spend most of my money earned during carebear days, because I know when life gets busy again I will go back to carebearing and make enough money for the next spree again. If i was PvPing every day though (full time) I would be more cautious and watch my spending more so I won't be forced into situation where i HAVE TO make money. I have a pretty big buffer though. :) |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
99
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:11:00 -
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tbh I don't really know how much money I make, never really sat down for a solid grind session and figured it out. probably something close to 250m/h if I gave it my full focus
But I only started making that sort of cash in the last couple of years, regardless of how much cash I have my general use ship is gonna be a hurricane. I have a few fitted in reserve if something happens, and when I get a spare 15min I pump out a lvl 5 or two to replace the losses
This is purely because the hurricane is imo the best ship in game on a performance per ISK scale for small gang/solo. I'd be flying it even if my wallet balance was nil tb
For BS engagements I don't see it as too much of a stretch to bring a tier 1 faction, generally I won't use BS without at least some reps on fiel
And there's the customary pimped faction frig for null roams, and the pimped faction BS for lowsec epeening
Bulk of my cash goes to backup ships tb
But yeh, I guess it's all cost:performance for me instead of being just cost based. Means I'll be flying that ship whatever my wallet status because it's better to be in a ship you can win a fight in even if it costs a bit, than in a cheap ship that has a real good chance of esploding first baddie it sees.
There should be a rather awesome pic here |
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Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:17:00 -
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Honestly i pretty much risk all my isk on PVP. I try to keep about 100mill and a ratting/mission running ship and everything else is pretty much PVP fit. I probably couldnt even replace some stuff right away, but i have lots of PVP ships so can just fly another one until it can. Nearly all or cheapish; BCs, tech2 frigs, destroyers, one or two battleships. All tech2 fit but rarely faction or officer mods on anything (even ratting ship) unless they cheap ones. I know i'm never gonna be a rich player, or have a fully pimped out ship but i enjoy doing it this way. Who cares about billions in the wallet as long as i can lose a ship dock up and grab something else fast as i can.
If i every lose too much, i rat or run missions long enough to buy a few BC's, SBs and AFs and get back on it anything i make after that gets turned into more and more PVP ships
I dont like making isk (most PVE content in the game needs some work to make it interested i think) so i do it to get what i need to do what i like doing.
It's not been nice, but thanks for using lube |
bubble trout
Terra Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:41:00 -
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I think I'm in the same boat as the op. I trade and my income vastly outweighs my expenses. I could fly more "expensive" stuff, but would still hate losing it. Besides I need to learn to not die first. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity
Exhale.
213
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Posted - 2012.04.26 04:38:00 -
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I havent taken isk into account for a long time since it isnt much of a concern in WHs.
Very few of my main PVP ships cost less than a bil.
The cheaper **** i fly for giggles, like BCs and other T1 hulls, is obviously cheaper since theyre harder to keep alive than faction/T2/T3 ships. |
Crellion
Parental Control
14
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Posted - 2012.04.26 05:32:00 -
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The only thing to do with isk is pvp anyway. Spend all you have on it. It doesn't matter how poor you become there are useful pvp ships at all isk levels.
Unless if you wanna play for plex in which case wallet amount - plex price = spend all this in pvp.
There is no other reason to play the game... rly. |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde
Habitat Against Humanity
84
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Posted - 2012.04.26 08:01:00 -
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I usually follow incursions around, and probe the local lowsec areas while I'm there, with the odd trip out to syndicate thrown in. The small gang fights out there are awesome. Have a bit over 2 bil usually, and try to keep it there as a buffer, but what I take to pvp in is roughly proportional to how bored I am. |
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
63
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Posted - 2012.04.26 10:24:00 -
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I spend everything on pvp and hookers.
/edit: OP, it's more important that you feel ok with your spending on ships. Because if you don't you fly more hesitant and might tend to make wrong decisions. |
The Lobsters
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:18:00 -
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shortattenionsp wrote:
My losses normally total 5-8 frigs + 1 - 3 cruisers a week (obviously varies massively but this is a rough guess).
Are you risk averse like me or do you fly ships that cost half your total isk?
I wouldn't say you are risk adverse at all.
Those guys in their T3's miss out on a lot of fun sometimes, as a mistake or an error of judgement is a bigger blow. So they tend to go for the less risky kills and don't learn so much in the process.
If you ain't dying, you ain't trying.
There is a lot to be said for having 20 ships fitted and ready to go. That's not so easy with an expensive ship habit. |
Korg Leaf
Operation Cloverfield
The Shadowbolts Collective
11
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:35:00 -
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I fly ships I can't afford to lose all the time with implants I can't afford... and you know what? I love flying them! I don't really tend to die very often (once a month at most) |
Brinxter
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:44:00 -
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Nice read so far 
Personally, i never keep more then 100-150m isk in my wallet spread over my alts.
I do fly crazy expensive stuff tho, pimped T3's, seriously pimped Bhaal, carrier, and with expensive (the good kind) implants.
Anything i lose will take me a while to recover, but i rarely lose stuff, so i can fly something else in the meantime.
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July Oumis
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.26 11:55:00 -
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Enough money, but not always the motivation for PvP. |
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IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
Iron Oxide.
148
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Posted - 2012.04.26 12:20:00 -
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Risk up to about 3bn (dread), normally much much less, mainline ship of 300m (BS or logi) most common loss 100m (BC / navy cruiser) . For specialist ships like triage I risk about 1bn, fairly rare.
Total liquid ISK of around 10bn so I risk:
Max - 30%
Special role - 10%
Mainline ship - 3%
Most common - 1%
Pod: 5-10% |
Tellaedhel
SRBI
Circle-Of-Two
0
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Posted - 2012.04.26 12:58:00 -
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I am not proud of it, but I have 178.673 ISK and I just spent last million on an X5 web for my Solo Sabre. I go to the belts as soon as I lose my PVP ships, so I can make enough money to replace it. I don't waste time hunting unless it is 100% necessary.
If you are red, come visit me in Venal ;) |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
146
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Posted - 2012.04.26 13:05:00 -
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I spend enough. I try to avoid faction/deadspacee and stick to t2 and meta 4 depending on the fit. Don't see the point in faction when your just probably going to end up getting jumped in a 10 v 2 or something :p
I'll be joining the FDU on May 1st.-á Ladies! Please contain yourselves.
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Gorski Car
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
6
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Posted - 2012.04.26 13:07:00 -
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I tend to have about 2b isk liquid in wallet and about 8b tied up in pvp ships. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians
Iberians.
9
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Posted - 2012.04.26 15:42:00 -
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Gorski Car wrote:I tend to have about 2b isk liquid in wallet and about 8b tied up in pvp ships.
I have enough cash from past carebearing endeavours when wormholes were new. This said, I don't play much, so I don't kill much...but I don't lose much either.
I usually fly cheap stuff in PvP. Battlecruisers, Assault ships, Bombers, a Domi every now and then. All affordable and effective.
I do have some pimped out toys. Faction battleships and stuff, and soon my first T3. And while it's true that I would fly less head-on with those things, eventually I will lose every single one of them and I can replace them anyways.
If I happened to lose everything, I'd be just as happy tagging along my buddies in a Rifter or something. |
Apolyon I
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
13
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Posted - 2012.04.26 17:44:00 -
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in wh environment, where quality beats quantity, just a little better gear would decide the result of the battle
I tend to pimp all my wh ships 2b fitting for my archon1.5b for the bhaal and other T3s |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters
Villore Accords
33
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Posted - 2012.04.26 18:05:00 -
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There is no other purpose in this game for ISK other then to PVP so I spend all of it. Can make about 1b a week when I need more ships. Just spent 5b on ships the other day.
Is sexy time? |
Joss56
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.26 18:49:00 -
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shortattenionsp wrote:How much of your wealth do you risk when you pvp?
Nothing.
True story bro.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
855
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Posted - 2012.04.26 19:02:00 -
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"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose."
I fly mostly T1/T2 frigate hulls, which are very easy to replace, but now and then I risk T2 cruisers worth 100-200 mil ISK. My total wealth has grown over time, but that just means I can have a larger variety of ships available, not necessarily more expensive ships.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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