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Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:25:00 -
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from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/04/remember-when-i-said-alts-were-new.html
With wardec costs based on the target alliance/corporation's membership numbers, it seemed a no-brainer that alts would become the new decshield.
A lot of people scoffed.
Kelduum has just announced, on the EVE University forums (members-only section), a new Ivy League corporation devoted solely to alts and ex-members of the University.
For no other reason than to pad the membership totals, to increase the cost to declare war on the University. Woo! Way to go CCP Greyscale, Carebear Defender. Look at all the logged out targets one gets to go to war with when they pay the inflated fee. You did say after all that the costs were a reflection of the war targets you'd get to fight.
I'll let Kelduum speak for himself though, because as a CSM member, looking out for everybody, he speaks writes so eloquently.
Quote:Hi all, With the wardec changes coming up in May, the situation where we do what we can to keep the membership numbers down to avoid attention is counter-productive, so we will be launching the Ivy League Hall of Residence in the next few days.
This is an alt corporation for any current/past E-UNI members, recruitment of which will be semi automated - this will require the Unista to decare their alts characterID via a special hidden forum field, which will then be matched to the applications and then accepted/denied.
As members of Ivy League, alts in that corporation will not be given any roles or titles (at least initially), and therefore will have no corp hangar access or similar, but will still be able to fly in E-UNI fleets.
If you have an alt which wishes to join, then please have them apply now and I will post more details later with the full recruitment process when its been completed.
Thanks, -- Keld The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
654
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:27:00 -
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CAOD ----> http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:33:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/04/remember-when-i-said-alts-were-new.htmlWith wardec costs based on the target alliance/corporation's membership numbers, it seemed a no-brainer that alts would become the new decshield. A lot of people scoffed. Kelduum has just announced, on the EVE University forums (members-only section), a new Ivy League corporation devoted solely to alts and ex-members of the University. For no other reason than to pad the membership totals, to increase the cost to declare war on the University. Woo! Way to go CCP Greyscale, Carebear Defender. Look at all the logged out targets one gets to go to war with when they pay the inflated fee. You did say after all that the costs were a reflection of the war targets you'd get to fight. I'll let Kelduum speak for himself though, because as a CSM member, looking out for everybody, he speaks writes so eloquently. Quote:Hi all, With the wardec changes coming up in May, the situation where we do what we can to keep the membership numbers down to avoid attention is counter-productive, so we will be launching the Ivy League Hall of Residence in the next few days.
This is an alt corporation for any current/past E-UNI members, recruitment of which will be semi automated - this will require the Unista to decare their alts characterID via a special hidden forum field, which will then be matched to the applications and then accepted/denied.
As members of Ivy League, alts in that corporation will not be given any roles or titles (at least initially), and therefore will have no corp hangar access or similar, but will still be able to fly in E-UNI fleets.
If you have an alt which wishes to join, then please have them apply now and I will post more details later with the full recruitment process when its been completed.
Thanks, -- Keld
This your attempt at saying I told you so? Does the new system help blob alliances out there? Sure does but your not the only one that saw it coming. I guess CCP likes blob blocks... What your talking about is nothing compared to the 0.0 blocks that will be almost immune IMO because the cost is too high. |
Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:41:00 -
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Remember When I Said Alts Were The New Wardec Shield?
Nope. Who are you?
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
230
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Posted - 2012.04.26 00:59:00 -
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free trials are free. That's why we call them free trials.
My guess, people will put 2 and 2 together and just make invite channels that act as corps and swallow the NPC tax because its still more productie than being station camped by girefers. |
ShipToaster
154
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:06:00 -
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This was to be expected.
CCP show some balls and deal with this wardec evasion bullshit once and for all. Begin |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
115
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:07:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1191138#post1191138
Not yet set in stone so Kelduum is jumping the gun a bit. If he is using his CSM privileges in an inappropriate manner, well, that's something else entirely. Breach of NDA could possibly be proven by his own admission there, but not likely.
Anyway, you were doing so well without resorting to Uni shitposting... +1 in local |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:11:00 -
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[quote=Poetic Stanziel]from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/04/remember-when-i-said-alts-were-new.htm
With wardec costs based on the target alliance/corporation's membership numbers, it seemed a no-brainer that alts would become the new decshield
A lot of people scoffed [/quote
we still scoff. cause you think youre important enough to remember or care about
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
472
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:13:00 -
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Shepard Book wrote:This your attempt at saying I told you so? Does the new system help blob alliances out there? Sure does but your not the only one that saw it coming. I guess CCP likes blob blocks... What your talking about is nothing compared to the 0.0 blocks that will be almost immune IMO because the cost is too high. Opps, I guess the blob is so big even CONCORD needs to be paid a lot of donuts to look the other way.
Though I would imagine it would be tempting to fight in highsec. Uh, wait .. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
472
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:22:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Kelduum has just announced, on the EVE University forums (members-only section), a new Ivy League corporation devoted solely to alts and ex-members of the University.
For no other reason than to pad the membership totals, to increase the cost to declare war on the University. Woo! Way to go CCP Greyscale, Carebear Defender. Kelduum, I see you have thought about how to best use the mechanisms available to you to defend yourself in the structure of the wardec system.
I see you can adapt when the game changes on you. Well done ! Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
178
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:25:00 -
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Lol you mean remember when the guy at Fanfest brought this up? Or when everybody brought this up?
Anyways nothing is set in stone about the cost and CCP has had quite a bit of time to think about it since Fanfest. It's really way too early too start gathering alts or whining about people gathering alts. I'll give CCP the benefit of the doubt until they release the official new wardec cost formula. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:28:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Shepard Book wrote:This your attempt at saying I told you so? Does the new system help blob alliances out there? Sure does but your not the only one that saw it coming. I guess CCP likes blob blocks... What your talking about is nothing compared to the 0.0 blocks that will be almost immune IMO because the cost is too high. Opps, I guess the blob is so big even CONCORD needs to be paid a lot of donuts to look the other way. Though I would imagine it would be tempting to fight in highsec. Uh, wait ..
itd NEVER happen but itd be funny to see highsec wardec Goons. All of highsec. Cause the tears once they realize Goons dont act like AIs woyuld be beautiful...
Hey, Why isnt there a mechanic where Goons CAN declare war on highsec lol
wooo oxycodone -.-
ow my arm still hurts
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:30:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:This was to be expected.
CCP show some balls and deal with this wardec evasion bullshit once and for all.
hell, end the sec ****
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Poetic Stanziel
The Fancy Hats Corporation
847
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:33:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Anyways nothing is set in stone about the cost and CCP has had quite a bit of time to think about it since Fanfest. It's really way too early too start gathering alts or whining about people gathering alts. I'll give CCP the benefit of the doubt until they release the official new wardec cost formula. It's the perfect time to start whining about alts, to bring it to CCP's attention before anything is set in stone.
Here are my suggestions:
1. Multiple characters on a single account are counted only a single time.
2. Characters active within the last 7 days are counted. Inactivity greater than 7 days is not counted. Since wardec cycles last 7 days, this seems a reasonable time span to determine inactivity.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6289
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:33:00 -
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GǪyes, I remember when I brought it up as the first question at the fanfest wardec roundtable.
Decshielding is now the default mechanic for wardecs GÇö nothing surprising here. It's completely contrary to the intention, but it is still (somehow) the intended design. vOv GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
472
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:35:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:Anyways nothing is set in stone about the cost and CCP has had quite a bit of time to think about it since Fanfest. It's really way too early too start gathering alts or whining about people gathering alts. I'll give CCP the benefit of the doubt until they release the official new wardec cost formula. It's the perfect time to start whining about alts, to bring it to CCP's attention before anything is set in stone. Here are my suggestions: 1. Multiple characters on a single account are counted only a single time. 2. Characters active within the last 7 days are counted. Inactivity greater than 7 days is not counted. Since wardec cycles last 7 days, this seems a reasonable time span to determine inactivity. You need an age of >51 days, other wise people will make endless alts with the plex thing to get 51 day non-trials. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪyes, I remember when I brought it up as the first question at the fanfest wardec roundtable.
Decshielding is now the default mechanic for wardecs GÇö nothing surprising here. It's completely contrary to the intention, but it is still (somehow) the intended design. vOv
refresh my memory... is the intention a way to allow coprs to have fights in highsec or to grief noobcorps? Or is that the same?
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
117
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:27:00 -
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Put a cap on how much a war could cost seems like a semi-good solution.
Besides, I think the curve for pricing should be a reverse bell curve based more on total SP of all pilots in both corps/alliances anyway.
If the two forces are equal, its cheapest. Any sway in either direction and it'll cost more, and should scale with SP per character not just per character. We have a blog, it is terrible. How to fix Bounty Hunting |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:33:00 -
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Odd I plan to actually start a player corp (fully dec-able) after the summer when I see the whole expansion ingame and size it up... might enlist the corp in FW also just for kicks... not sure people are looking to avoid the new system...
I just wanted to have a few things added over the years and they seem to be putting that in... that merc corps and allies can come in, and so on... what was really missing with the system was just that... expanding the conflict and HESSIANS!!!... so I am personally looking forward to the next few months to see what comes of it.
there is always going to be the player base that doesn't want to be in anything other than a barge shooting rocks or a POS counting ice-cubes... but I think we will see more people coming out from the changes than seeking a bunker. - have to see, but lets give it a chance before people call on it... until it's out there and done, WIP... and we are not even into the main expansion. ...and Pinning/Toggle must be restored (paraphrase of Cicero). |
ShipToaster
155
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:34:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Lol you mean remember when the guy at Fanfest brought this up? Or when everybody brought this up?
Anyways nothing is set in stone about the cost and CCP has had quite a bit of time to think about it since Fanfest. It's really way too early too start gathering alts or whining about people gathering alts. I'll give CCP the benefit of the doubt until they release the official new wardec cost formula.
All I will say is look at how bad vg's have been ****** up and think about ccp's recent track record on big changes and not the trivial.
Benefit of the doubt to :ccp:? No chance after last years multiple balls ups.
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ShipToaster
155
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪyes, I remember when I brought it up as the first question at the fanfest wardec roundtable.
Decshielding is now the default mechanic for wardecs GÇö nothing surprising here. It's completely contrary to the intention, but it is still (somehow) the intended design. vOv
Did you hear the question asked about why declaring war for a month should cost up to 320 times more than the default operating costs for an alliance per month? Still no answer on that. Begin |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc Order of the Void
286
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:40:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/04/remember-when-i-said-alts-were-new.htmlWith wardec costs based on the target alliance/corporation's membership numbers, it seemed a no-brainer that alts would become the new decshield. A lot of people scoffed. Kelduum has just announced, on the EVE University forums (members-only section), a new Ivy League corporation devoted solely to alts and ex-members of the University. For no other reason than to pad the membership totals, to increase the cost to declare war on the University. Woo! Way to go CCP Greyscale, Carebear Defender. Look at all the logged out targets one gets to go to war with when they pay the inflated fee. You did say after all that the costs were a reflection of the war targets you'd get to fight. I'll let Kelduum speak for himself though, because as a CSM member, looking out for everybody, he speaks writes so eloquently. Quote:Hi all, With the wardec changes coming up in May, the situation where we do what we can to keep the membership numbers down to avoid attention is counter-productive, so we will be launching the Ivy League Hall of Residence in the next few days.
This is an alt corporation for any current/past E-UNI members, recruitment of which will be semi automated - this will require the Unista to decare their alts characterID via a special hidden forum field, which will then be matched to the applications and then accepted/denied.
As members of Ivy League, alts in that corporation will not be given any roles or titles (at least initially), and therefore will have no corp hangar access or similar, but will still be able to fly in E-UNI fleets.
If you have an alt which wishes to join, then please have them apply now and I will post more details later with the full recruitment process when its been completed.
Thanks, -- Keld
Make sure you include the other large 0.0 alliances that do/will do the same thing, you know, just to be fair. Or is this just a high sec rant??? "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Cosmic Fart
Cosmic Gas Corporation
16
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Posted - 2012.04.26 02:50:00 -
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While I really don't care one way or the other about pvp.
It is of my opinion everyone has a right or should have a right to play EVE as they want with their $15 USD.
However.... for you PVP minded individuals, here's an idea I'd like to suggest. It may or may not have already been suggested.
Keep in mind I'm not a programmer so as to how hard this idea would be to implement is beyond me. Might even be impossible.
Why not implement a system where the corporation declaring war is required to put up collateral. The collateral would relate with the amount of active players in recent days or week(s) of the corp the aggressor declares war on. Much like what one poster said earlier.
However - If the corporation declaring war fails to kill a predetermined number of players in relation to recent active player base within the war-declaration then collateral is lost.
But
IF -the corporation being attacked kills more players of the corporation declaring war, the collateral is then paid to the corporation who actully fought back.
or
IF -the aggressing corporation kills a predetermined number of ACTIVE players the collateral is then returned to them.
Ok... This is just an idea and as I said, it may have already been discussed as well as it may be impossible to implement. Just an idea is all. |
ShipToaster
155
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:00:00 -
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Fail corps and alliances will just dock up for a week. Begin |
Endeavour Starfleet
812
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:04:00 -
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Ah so next you want to force people to remain in corp so that one can continue to use the wardec system to get virtually free ganks.
Won't happen... EVER. CCP would be absolutely insane to force people to accept that a war = stuck. That is crap. I thought you wanted wardecs back because you wanted to go POS busting? NOPE it was about easy ganks all along as anyone could have suspected. |
Digital Messiah
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
200
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:06:00 -
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I always enjoyed the war dec system in other games. One guild wars another they both decide to do it. Mutual pvp, is non surprise buttzeks pvp. "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Eidric
Shadows of HyperSpace Wormholes Holders
17
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:10:00 -
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Sigh...And this is exactly why I wanted the war-dec price to be modified by member number of offensive corporation\alliance. |
Cosmic Fart
Cosmic Gas Corporation
16
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:13:00 -
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ShipToaster wrote:Fail corps and alliances will just dock up for a week.
Maybe so...
However... if the collateral is large enough it might (MIGHT) entice the attackee to be more motivated. The system as is offers no motive for the war-dec'd corporation to even fight. Also... the bigger and more active your corp is, the bigger the pay out might be.
Again, just an idea. |
Perramas
Pan Caldarian Ventures
42
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:23:00 -
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If the aggressor corp/alliance has more players than the target corp then the fee should be high, the more players the higher the fee. If the aggressor corp/alliance has fewer members then the fee should be lower, the greater the disparity between the two the lower the fee. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.04.26 03:25:00 -
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y'know what might be fun?
If you wardec someone, you should be abnle to bring any fleet assets into the fight but JUST for fighting in fights relating to the war.
Think of it, you drop a wardec, catch then om an op or something and hotdrop titans into high sec to destroy them
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ah so next you want to force people to remain in corp so that one can continue to use the wardec system to get virtually free ganks.
Won't happen... EVER. CCP would be absolutely insane to force people to accept that a war = stuck. That is crap. I thought you wanted wardecs back because you wanted to go POS busting? NOPE it was about easy ganks all along as anyone could have suspected.
I do believe that IS the new wardec system. The aggressor can keep the war going indefinitely as long as they have the isk, Hell theres no mechanic even in place that would allow the defenders to win a war waged on them.
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