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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:41:00 -
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I was recently surprised to encountered a Myrmidon fitted for ECM.
During the tournaments we certainly saw some unusual fits, ships that were shield or armor tanking, that by normal rights shouldn't.
Yet when you read the comments at sites such as battleclinic, the community largely criticizes atypical, against the grain, ship fits.
I wonder, have any of you seen or used ship fits beyond the norm, despite advice to the contrary? Was it effective (and why?)
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Haakelen
Gallente
Angels.
Acid.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Haakelen on 02/03/2009 19:50:32
Sometimes it's useful to think outside the box of normalcy. It is not, however, a good idea to think outside the 'good ship fittings' box. ECM on nonbonused ships for example.
There's a difference between against the grain that works (passive shield tanking autocannon myrms and laser feroxen) and terrible (medium beam laser active shield tanking megathrons and the rise ferox).
I like to use my Curse with missile launchers, but I don't think that's very abnormal, really.
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Vanderie
Amarr
Ignatium.
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:50:00 -
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Myrmidon with platebuffer, 2 heatsinks and 6 Focused Medium Pulse Laser II. Try it sometime, it really shines with a LG slave set. 
-Van
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:50:00 -
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Or Gallente battleships with minmatar medium guns using heat sinks. And I wish I was joking about that.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:02:00 -
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Specialty fits have their place, because they can pull someone up short, sharp, shocked who was expecting a cookie cutter or at least a general variant of a generally accepted "good" fit.
But they tend to be one-shot uses, or only in very limited circumstances.
Of course, what is a "good" fit varies over time- these days buffer tanks are much more popular, for example.
Corp killboard
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The Djego
Minmatar
merovinger inc
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:02:00 -
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Or a 7km/s Nano T2 Neutron Blaster fitted Navy Exequeror to **** things that thinked you would be another slow Blaster Cruiser. 
It was fun before QR actualy, not realy practical against Nanohacs because of the lacking buffer but preaty cool aginst T1 Cruisers and Frigs, preaty much pointless now.
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Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
 Originally by: Amantus
Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:18:00 -
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Or the all Cap Rehcarge Myrm
Or the 425mm Rail Moros.
I've probably got more.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Eventy One on 02/03/2009 20:21:10
Originally by: Haakelen
... laser feroxen ...
Laser feroxn?  (I know, I know, feroxen = many ferox)
I'd like to see a fit such as this, mythical ferox with lasers. I assume the rational is to take advantage of the Ferox's capacitor properties.
Still, you mention against-the-grain fits that work, and against-the-grain fits that don't - if your enemies are expecting something different than what you're giving them - to the point where you win your battles, isn't that the only true test of a fit that works?
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:24:00 -
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No body ever expects to get E-War'd by a Geddon.
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Haakelen
Gallente
Angels.
Acid.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: Haakelen on 02/03/2009 20:28:32
Originally by: Eventy One
Still, you mention against-the-grain fits that work, and against-the-grain fits that don't - if your enemies are expecting something different than what you're giving them - to the point where you win your battles, isn't that the only true test of a fit that works?
Sure. But if something has **** DPS and can't jam anything, then dies, then it didn't work very well, did it? 
ps laser ferox http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=Darkireland&id=5647518&page=1&filter=losses#mail
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Constantine Arcanum
IMPERIAL SENATE
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
No body ever expects to get E-War'd by a Geddon.
generally cause it has 3 mids?
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Constantine Arcanum
Originally by: Ruze
No body ever expects to get E-War'd by a Geddon.
generally cause it has 3 mids?
Never said there wasn't a good reason that nobody expects it ...
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.03.02 20:53:00 -
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prowlwer w/ cov ops cloak and recon/expanded probe launcher - the only bloacked runner w/ 2 hi-slots
can't fit anything else, but hey....
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putting the gist back into logistics |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 02/03/2009 21:02:32
a Sniggerdly pilot has a very strange Helios setup that managed to kill a Taranis of ours earlier today. Also tried to kill a Sabre but missed a jam and died when it was in structure 
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.03.02 21:22:00 -
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We missing the most obvious one I think - no one mentioned the PvP Hulk!
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Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2009.03.02 21:23:00 -
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a corpmate had an arbitrator with 20k shields. it was beautiful
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.02 21:25:00 -
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I used to love the old combat industrials. Strangely, it actually worked ... some of the time.
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Captator
Empire Assault Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.02 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider
prowlwer w/ cov ops cloak and recon/expanded probe launcher - the only bloacked runner w/ 2 hi-slots
can't fit anything else, but hey....
I beg to differ, it makes a decent temporary tackler too:
[Prowler, prober]
Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Caldari Navy Co-Processor
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Cap Recharger II
Domination Warp Disruptor
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Recon Probe Launcher, Snoop Scanner Probe I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.02 21:56:00 -
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scimitar.
logistic ship
fit it with
4 lows
-4 PDU II
5 mids
-XL large named booster
-2 Shield amp II
-scramble II
-MWD II
4 highs
-3 medium turrets
-1 missle
2 rigs
-s CCC's
permi-runs the XL booster at 1100 hp a cycle.
Super tackle Scimitar.
will post video later :)
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Jerik Havo
Caldari
Tankt
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Posted - 2009.03.02 22:07:00 -
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Battle Badgers are incredibly funny to pilot when you're set up right. It confuses the hell out of anyone.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.02 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jerik Havo
Battle Badgers are incredibly funny to pilot when you're set up right. It confuses the hell out of anyone.
Battle Badgers for the win.
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group
Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.03.02 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
scimitar.
logistic ship
fit it with
4 lows
-4 PDU II
5 mids
-XL large named booster
-2 Shield amp II
-scramble II
-MWD II
4 highs
-3 medium turrets
-1 missle
2 rigs
-s CCC's
permi-runs the XL booster at 1100 hp a cycle.
Super tackle Scimitar.
will post video later :)
I'm trying this.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.02 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
scimitar.
logistic ship
fit it with
4 lows
-4 PDU II
5 mids
-XL large named booster
-2 Shield amp II
-scramble II
-MWD II
4 highs
-3 medium turrets
-1 missle
2 rigs
-s CCC's
permi-runs the XL booster at 1100 hp a cycle.
Super tackle Scimitar.
will post video later :)
Eagerly awaiting said video.
Also, who can forget the power of a gang of haulers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTn9EASiPMY
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SadisticSavior
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.02 22:39:00 -
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Quote:
Laser feroxn? Laughing (I know, I know, feroxen = many ferox)
I'd like to see a fit such as this, mythical ferox with lasers. I assume the rational is to take advantage of the Ferox's capacitor properties.
I had lasers on my Ferox. At the time I didn't know better...I just thought lasers looked cool so I wanted them.
And I was right. They do look cool, and they worked well enough to do level 3 missions, even if they aren't optimal.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.02 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen
And the lasers on my drake own.
How the hell did you get lasers on a drake?
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.03.02 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: TraininVain on 02/03/2009 22:52:20
Thing is, given a ships bonuses, fitting and the way the game works there's generally a few ways to fit it that really maximise it's efficiency for a particular purpose.
There's generally a really sane mathematically provable reason why someone thinks you have to fit it this way or that way.
So, often "against the grain" means "less efficient than this other way that everyone does". If you're privileged enough to have an actual min-maxer to talk to they can usually show you their working out.
Not saying atypical fits can't be efficient but generally that's why there's one favoured fit.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.03.02 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
scimitar.
logistic ship
fit it with
4 lows
-4 PDU II
5 mids
-XL large named booster
-2 Shield amp II
-scramble II
-MWD II
4 highs
-3 medium turrets
-1 missle
2 rigs
-s CCC's
permi-runs the XL booster at 1100 hp a cycle.
Super tackle Scimitar.
will post video later :)
*pokepoke* 2 turrets only, i thought you would know that 8[
but yeah, ive been using something similar for a year now, every day. didnt know it was "against the grain" :o
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putting the gist back into logistics |
MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.03 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 03/03/2009 03:14:01
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
Originally by: MotherMoon
scimitar.
logistic ship
fit it with
4 lows
-4 PDU II
5 mids
-XL large named booster
-2 Shield amp II
-scramble II
-MWD II
4 highs
-3 medium turrets
-1 missle
2 rigs
-s CCC's
permi-runs the XL booster at 1100 hp a cycle.
Super tackle Scimitar.
will post video later :)
*pokepoke* 2 turrets only, i thought you would know that 8[
but yeah, ive been using something similar for a year now, every day. didnt know it was "against the grain" :o
noted and fixed :P
the set is about the tank, not the turrets :P I just throw things into the highs.
oh and thanks for reminding me why I never apply to be an expert for eve, you guys would taer me apart for little mistakes! and I would make a ton of them :)
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.03.03 04:14:00 -
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Active tanking Drake with web/scram.
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Cre'nor
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Posted - 2009.03.03 05:37:00 -
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Before QR I had a Myrmidon that I nano-fitted when I was drunk. (Polycarbs + 100mn MWD) I had more than one occasion where someone laughed at me in local just before I killed them.
Now, honestly, I don't believe that it was a good ship, but catching people completely off-guard can often be a bonus in and of itself. I knew the quirks of the ship, and I was careful what and how I engaged. Don't remember the exact numbers, but I think I could get the thing to nearly 10k/sec. It turned like a house, but it was possible to set up a good strafing run, and if flown just right, it was effective against other nano ships. Got a few kills, never lost it and sold it just before the nerf for almost full market value of the ship + rigs.
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