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Jack Bombardier
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Posted - 2009.03.03 02:22:00 -
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Let's face it. The insurance system has never been a business in eve. They pay you no matter what happens to your ship and keep re-insuring ships without high premiums regardless of how you lose them.
However. I don't think you should be getting any insurance money when your ship gets destroyed by Concord. That's like busting up your car while fleeing from the police and still getting insurance.
I realise this might be hurting some people's kamikaze business but let's face it. Something was never right with that to begin with. If you make a business out of having your ship blown up then you should certainly not be getting paid by "the man" to do so.
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Doktor Feeelgoood
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Posted - 2009.03.03 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: Doktor Feeelgoood on 03/03/2009 02:23:17
it's to protect noobs from their own stupidity?
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.03.03 02:24:00 -
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Suicide ganking is an intended game mechanic. CCP's CONCORD buffs pretty much fixed any balance issues there were with suicide ganking, so there's no problem here. Yes, insurance doesn't really make sense, we get it. It also doesn't make sense for an insurance company to insure a ship that's almost certain to be blown up, either.
A new insurance system is in the works.
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Underachieving Tord
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Posted - 2009.03.03 03:05:00 -
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Same if you selfdestruct.
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BallistaII
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.03 03:13:00 -
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not again.
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Amy Mouse
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Posted - 2009.03.03 04:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Jack Bombardier
Let's face it. The insurance system has never been a business in eve. They pay you no matter what happens to your ship and keep re-insuring ships without high premiums regardless of how you lose them.
However. I don't think you should be getting any insurance money when your ship gets destroyed by Concord. That's like busting up your car while fleeing from the police and still getting insurance.
I realise this might be hurting some people's kamikaze business but let's face it. Something was never right with that to begin with. If you make a business out of having your ship blown up then you should certainly not be getting paid by "the man" to do so.
sounds like somebody's hulk got ganked while afk mining
you should pay attention to your local, being in empire does not give you free pass.
If you also look at it from insurance firm point of view, there are way more out there that let their insurance expire(free insurance money) than suicide ganking them. Going by your words, any person who ever shot at someone should be a liability and removed from 'ablely insuranced' list.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.03.03 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Suicide ganking is an intended game mechanic. CCP's CONCORD buffs pretty much fixed any balance issues there were with suicide ganking, so there's no problem here. Yes, insurance doesn't really make sense, we get it. It also doesn't make sense for an insurance company to insure a ship that's almost certain to be blown up, either.
A new insurance system is in the works.
if we can get rid of insurance and then increase concord response times then sure 
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BallistaII
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.03 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Suicide ganking is an intended game mechanic. CCP's CONCORD buffs pretty much fixed any balance issues there were with suicide ganking, so there's no problem here. Yes, insurance doesn't really make sense, we get it. It also doesn't make sense for an insurance company to insure a ship that's almost certain to be blown up, either.
A new insurance system is in the works.
if we can get rid of insurance and then increase concord response times then sure
i like no insurance and no concord.
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Junko Togawa
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Posted - 2009.03.03 08:55:00 -
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It may end up getting nerfed eventually, time will tell. Meantime, yes it's illogical. So are cargo containers that hold more volume than they take up. 
Originally by: Dreximus
Originally by: Alowishus
These things make the game more exciting overall for people who enjoy risk and the ability to take responsibility for their own safety. At the risk of being cliche, th |
Tuberider
Caldari
Pothouse Cartel
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.03.03 09:23:00 -
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your stuff, give now!! 
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Vampasha
Space Piwates
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Posted - 2009.03.03 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Junko Togawa
It may end up getting nerfed eventually, time will tell. Meantime, yes it's illogical. So are cargo containers that hold more volume than they take up.
Quite logical
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.03 12:40:00 -
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i like no insurance and no concord.
This. Maybe some sentry guns in highsec belts, but nothing you couldn't tank. The irony is that would actually remove griefers from highsec, but I suspect most denizens of the belts can't see that far ahead.
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Zetaa
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:39:00 -
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If you don't have insurance, you shouldn't be allowed to leave the station.
Or, if you get caught by CONCORD without insurance, they should take away your POD license.
Just saying. 
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:54:00 -
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Regardless of Concord - its a stupid way to coddle players. Make losing a T1 BS even more painful than just losing the 60 mil in trimarks/extenders/fail CCC.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.03 15:40:00 -
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Insurance is basically a giant subsidy to miners. Remove insurance for T1 ships and minerals prices will drop through the floor.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.03 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zetaa
If you don't have insurance, you shouldn't be allowed to leave the station.
Or, if you get caught by CONCORD without insurance, they should take away your POD license.
Just saying.
Not really. That's good advice if you just have a couple of ships. If you have lots, then the chance of insurance expiring before they're destroyed is pretty high; it makes sense not to insure them and just collect the base payout in the event you do lose them. This goes double if they're rigged, since you're hardly going to self-destruct a rigged ship to collect insurance.
The only ships I insure are fleet BS.
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Kavu
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.03 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
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Regardless of Concord - its a stupid way to coddle players. Make losing a T1 BS even more painful than just losing the 60 mil in trimarks/extenders/fail CCC.
fit aux nano pumps on domi's and go to 0.0 and shoot whatever attacks you its fun
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.03.03 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Omarvelous on 03/03/2009 16:50:18
Originally by: Malcanis
Insurance is basically a giant subsidy to miners. Remove insurance for T1 ships and minerals prices will drop through the floor.
huh? Insurance is what keeps T1 ship demand high? I'm slow this morning - explain the economic model here.
I think demand for T1 ships is there regardless mainly because of skills. Tech 2 ships which would be more desirable still need a T1 ship to build.
Originally by: Kavu
fit aux nano pumps on domi's and go to 0.0 and shoot whatever attacks you its fun
Jesus christ it seems like you miss getting blobbed! 
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Jason Travers
Space 1999
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Posted - 2009.03.03 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Amy Mouse
sounds like somebody's hulk got ganked while afk mining
you should pay attention to your local, being in empire does not give you free pass.
If you also look at it from insurance firm point of view, there are way more out there that let their insurance expire(free insurance money) than suicide ganking them. Going by your words, any person who ever shot at someone should be a liability and removed from 'ablely insuranced' list.
Why do people like you always think when someone loses a hulk they are afk mining. You have no clue so quit talking out your ass. A hulk pops in 3 seconds or less and has the speed of a slug in salt (82 km max). There is nothing the hulk pilot can do other than watch his ship go pop to *******s. 3 cruisers can make a hulk go pop in 3 seconds.
If you look at local you will notice in high sec there is always people in local DOH! And you aligned and jumped out every time someone popped into your belt you would never be mining.
Suicide ganking is part of the game mechanics I understand, but the risk is very little compared to the reward when you get back about all your cost for losing, and the intended target doesn't even have a snowball chance in hell of getting away or surviving until CONCORD shows up.
So unless you fly a hulk and actually use one in high sec, don't speculate on something you don't have a clue about. You want to feel superior then go beat up some first graders its about the same thing.
I agree there should be NO INSURIANCE pay out with the exception of the newbie ship for a CONCORD kill.
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NocturnalDeath
Death's Phalanx
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Posted - 2009.03.03 17:27:00 -
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I agree completely with OP
1. Remove insurance for concord kills
2. Revert back to the prior patch where it requires much less DPS to suicide stuff
3. Make NPC corps wardeccable where anyone over 180 days old in the NPC corp becomes a valid war target
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Kavu
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.03 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous
Edited by: Omarvelous on 03/03/2009 16:50:18
Originally by: Malcanis
Insurance is basically a giant subsidy to miners. Remove insurance for T1 ships and minerals prices will drop through the floor.
huh? Insurance is what keeps T1 ship demand high? I'm slow this morning - explain the economic model here.
I think demand for T1 ships is there regardless mainly because of skills. Tech 2 ships which would be more desirable still need a T1 ship to build.
Originally by: Kavu
fit aux nano pumps on domi's and go to 0.0 and shoot whatever attacks you its fun
Jesus christ it seems like you miss getting blobbed!
makin some vids of solo 0.0 bs pvp :) its gonna be good stuff
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deepfreeze007
Swordfish LLD
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Posted - 2009.03.04 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kavu
makin some vids of solo 0.0 bs pvp :) its gonna be good stuff
Lies.
Well, maybe some ppl are so paranoid to warp from belt whenever someone warps in, but if you are aligned to station/SS/other astrological entity, a hulk has plenty of time to get away if someone comes to the belt that's up to no good. As for watching local, well, even with an average of 160 in local in the system I spend a lot of time in, I know who the regulars are. Unfortunately, it seems like "Local" will be going away soon.
But for now. take your blinders off, open local in a separate window, and keep an eye on newcomers. Take note of anyone who bothers anyone else, they might come bother you at some point, so be prepared.
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.04 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: deepfreeze007
Edited by: deepfreeze007 on 04/03/2009 03:35:31
Originally by: Kavu
makin some vids of solo 0.0 bs pvp :) its gonna be good stuff
Lies.
Well, maybe some ppl are so paranoid to warp from belt whenever someone warps in, but if you are aligned to station/SS/other astrological entity, a hulk has plenty of time to get away if someone comes to the belt that's up to no good. As for watching local, well, even with an average of 160 in local in the system I spend a lot of time in, I know who the regulars are. Unfortunately (edit* or maybe not), it seems like "Local" will be going away soon.
But for now. take your blinders off, open local in a separate window, and keep an eye on newcomers. Take note of anyone who bothers anyone else, they might come bother you at some point, so be prepared.
As your edit probably says, local will stay, but will be in "recent speakers" mode in W-Space.
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Nerve Junkie
Minmatar
Sexy Pirate Club
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Posted - 2009.03.04 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Bombardier
Let's face it. The insurance system has never been a business in eve. They pay you no matter what happens to your ship and keep re-insuring ships without high premiums regardless of how you lose them.
However. I don't think you should be getting any insurance money when your ship gets destroyed by Concord. That's like busting up your car while fleeing from the police and still getting insurance.
I realise this might be hurting some people's kamikaze business but let's face it. Something was never right with that to begin with. If you make a business out of having your ship blown up then you should certainly not be getting paid by "the man" to do so.
Wait i don't think you people understood this nubs post lemme put it through the nub speak translator so we can understand what he is REALLY saying...
Translation: "WAHHH WAHHH some evil nastly red flashy pirates came and somehow blew up my new hulk and CCP won't give me full isk to buy another one and hold my hand while i mine these precious asteroids while i listen to the carebears theme. I DEMAND you give me full isk and punish those pirates cause i don't like how they play eve."
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BallistaII
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nerve Junkie
Originally by: Jack Bombardier
Let's face it. The insurance system has never been a business in eve. They pay you no matter what happens to your ship and keep re-insuring ships without high premiums regardless of how you lose them.
However. I don't think you should be getting any insurance money when your ship gets destroyed by Concord. That's like busting up your car while fleeing from the police and still getting insurance.
I realise this might be hurting some people's kamikaze business but let's face it. Something was never right with that to begin with. If you make a business out of having your ship blown up then you should certainly not be getting paid by "the man" to do so.
Wait i don't think you people understood this nubs post lemme put it through the nub speak translator so we can understand what he is REALLY saying...
Translation: "WAHHH WAHHH some evil nastly red flashy pirates came and somehow blew up my new hulk and CCP won't give me full isk to buy another one and hold my hand while i mine these precious asteroids while i listen to the carebears theme. I DEMAND you give me full isk and punish those pirates cause i don't like how they play eve."
where can i find this amazing translator?
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deepfreeze007
Swordfish LLD
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Nerve Junkie
Wait i don't think you people understood this nubs post lemme put it through the nub speak translator so we can understand what he is REALLY saying...
Translation: "WAHHH WAHHH some evil nastly red flashy pirates came and somehow blew up my new hulk and CCP won't give me full isk to buy another one and hold my hand while i mine these precious asteroids while i listen to the carebears theme. I DEMAND you give me full isk and punish those pirates cause i don't like how they play eve."
Sweet, thanks m8, mine musta been broken since all I gets is static with a few bleeps and bomps here and there. Maybe the filters need cleaned.
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Jalif
Black Sinisters
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Posted - 2009.03.04 10:32:00 -
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Stop making yourself a target OP. Clearly you got suicide ganked because you had something valuable. Ones again, stop making yourself a easy & profitable target and this wouldn't have happend.
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K1RTH G3RS3N
Haunted House
BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Junko Togawa
It may end up getting nerfed eventually, time will tell. Meantime, yes it's illogical. So are cargo containers that hold more volume than they take up.
space is a strange place
and to op.... dont worry - it will prob happen :S nerf this nerf that wooooooooo
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sir gankalot
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Bombardier
Let's face it. The insurance system has never been a business in eve. They pay you no matter what happens to your ship and keep re-insuring ships without high premiums regardless of how you lose them.
However. I don't think you should be getting any insurance money when your ship gets destroyed by Concord. That's like busting up your car while fleeing from the police and still getting insurance.
I realise this might be hurting some people's kamikaze business but let's face it. Something was never right with that to begin with. If you make a business out of having your ship blown up then you should certainly not be getting paid by "the man" to do so.
Supported, insurance is a half arsed system, as far as i care they eliminate it completely.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.04 14:34:00 -
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I think insurance should be withheld from suicide gankers.
It would have to be one stupid (and soon to be broke) insurance agent that insured something a policy holder kept destroying.
However I don't know how you would be able to tell a suicide ganker from a really bad PvP player. It would suck to have insurance refused because you died a lot.
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