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Prodigy Johnson
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Posted - 2009.03.04 06:47:00 -
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I need help with the following issue:
When a corporation who is not in alliance receives a war dec, and joins an alliance after the war dec is validated, what happens? Does the entire alliance become target/enemy to the corp that has initiated the war dec? Will the 24 hours heating up period play a role or can the alliance aid the war dec'ed corp instantly after the application with the alliance is processed?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.04 06:50:00 -
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Unless its changed and its been a long time then when the corp joins then the war declare is transferred to the alliance which can shoot at once. Least that's what I remember from couple years ago.
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Landrassa
Friendly Neighbourhood Extortion Company
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Posted - 2009.03.04 06:50:00 -
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It'll be as though the original wardec was issued against the alliance, instead of just against the corp. So yes:
- The entire alliance becomes involved in the war
- The 24 hour period remains the same. If the corp joins the alliance after 17 hours have passed, then 7 hours later the war starts for the entire alliance.
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Prodigy Johnson
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Posted - 2009.03.04 06:53:00 -
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That's very good news for my corp then. The war dec initiator (plain griefers) will be in for a surprise, since the application will be processed only 10 minutes after my POS comes out of reinf mode. I just hope those 10 minutes will be enough. Thanks for your replies.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.04 07:07:00 -
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It'll be enough so long as you have things planned. To be safe you might share the pos password with alliance members if they are to help.
Keep in mind there could be some visual bugs as well. After joining the alliance, alliance members other than your corp should probably log out and then back in to be sure the overview updates properly.
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Prodigy Johnson
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Posted - 2009.03.04 07:19:00 -
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 Originally by: El'Niaga
It'll be enough so long as you have things planned. To be safe you might share the pos password with alliance members if they are to help.
Keep in mind there could be some visual bugs as well. After joining the alliance, alliance members other than your corp should probably log out and then back in to be sure the overview updates properly.
Very much true. Thanks for the heads up.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.04 07:55:00 -
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I sincerely hope for your sake that the alliance you're joining has the ability and is willing to defend your POS.
I had something like this happen once to a corp I had decced, the alliance got stomped and we wound up being paid an extra hundred mil over what we had originally asked the corp.
Some pirate corps (and yes you got decced by a pirate corp if they're shooting down your POS, because when it goes boom they will unanchor the labs, ergo they decced you for the isk but are not being paid by a third party, meaning pirates) will be deterred when you join an alliance, many (if not most) will be greatful for the free wardec on an alliance, as it costs something like 25X as much to dec an alliance, which is a bill they don't have to pay for the first week of the dec. |
Prodigy Johnson
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Posted - 2009.03.04 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Prodigy Johnson on 04/03/2009 08:59:39
Cam, thanx for your reply. The alliance will defend the POS. The initiating corp is a 17 members strong group, of which only 12 are very much active. The alliance will field at the least 40 pilots to defend the POS, since we do not know which firepower they will bring. Better to outnumber them.
Also, two other corps that were dec'ed by these chumps will be present at the POS to take part in this operation. No less than 50 people will be there. A little overkill, yes. Then again it's great practice for some of the newer alliance members. And with the POS holding some valuable assets there is simply too much at stake, so I rather do overkill than risking anything. This number of pilots will also give time to rep the tower and stront it up.
Thanks again for all your replies and rest assuring answers. The only issue I was unsure about was the effect of my corp becoming an alliance member once the POS comes out of reinf mode and if the alliance would be allowed to shoot back instantly. It seems to be the case.
Will post the outcome here afterwards, for anyone interested. 
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:38:00 -
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Thats a bit naff really that the alliance doesn't have to wait 24 hours before the war becomes active for them...
But as thats the way the rules work, kudos on finding a clever and very much in the spirit of the game way of dealing with it 
Hope the defense goes well, and that your enemys don't see this post, work who you are and bring there own friends to help too 
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Prodigy Johnson
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: Prodigy Johnson on 05/03/2009 07:05:47
Edited by: Prodigy Johnson on 05/03/2009 07:02:52
Hehehe! 
So, the POS came out of reinf mode. It was 20 minutes left till the application with alliance was processed, instead of 10 (probably a bug). I had enslaved a crew of 8 Ospreys with large reppers and 2 Hyperions for energy transfer to the preys and started repping the tower. The dec initiators had only 2 guys online, keeping an NPC alt 300 km off the POS, watching us in an Impairor.
After 20 minutes there were 4 WT's in local and the alliance became a WT for the initiators also, with the app being processed. By this time a fleet of 30 people had already gathered 2 jumps away from POS. A scout reported the 4 WT's jumping in and out, probably checking out the area. Within no time the tower shields were up to 60%, making it possible to stront up the tower, reinforce defence mods on the POS, and bringing the BPO's being researched into safety (I know, scientific networking  ). We decided to leave the POS up after the labs were removed and the POS was empty, aside from the defences. Added warp scramblers energy neuts to the tower, and then moved the crew out. By now the defence fleet was up to 50 people and 12 WT's logged on.
Moved out the Osprey crew, getting them to jump into BS's and BC's and joined the fleet 3 jumps away. After 5 minutes the WT's emerged (kept a scout cloaked at the POS). How predictable some grief corps can be: after about 5 minutes of waiting 12 WT's showed up at the POS and started pounding it (shields were up to 90% by that time, thanks to the repping crew). Pretty ridiculous, as everything was removed from the POS, except for the defences. The cloaked scout moved in on them and waited for our Falcons to get in position. We had 15 Falcons in fleet, they all jumped into system (which should have alerted the WT's but they didn't move). Falcons at spot, an ceptor fleet of 10 jumped in after them and it was on. Falcons and ceptors started doing their thing, while the rest of the fleet (all heavy DPS BS's and BC's) moved into spot. Results: 12 BS's taken out, ZERO losses. 
After the battle got kuddos evemails from the initiator's CEO, showing respect to the organisation of the fleet (the FC did a great job, I must add) and admitted he had overlooked the DED signal stating the war dec had been passed on to the alliance. The kuddos mail was not even necessary in my opinion, since we did put in a lot of overkill. Not hard winning a battle then. But the fun doing it was not less.
It seems when your corp gets a war dec, just sign up with an alliance real quick and come back to the grid the next day.
Once more I learned that in EVE, no matter how fat your wallet may be and no matter how much doing solo work keeps you away from the alliance politics: it's just very nice to have friends in that big ass cold and lonely space.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:12:00 -
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Glad it turned out good :)
Sounds like you joined a very organized alliance :)
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Prodigy Johnson
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Glad it turned out good :)
Sounds like you joined a very organized alliance :)
I used to be a member of that alliance from the very beginning. At one point my EVE time depleted severly and I decided to move out of the alliance and head to empire space, limiting myself to doing research and manufacturing only. Always kept the alliance on my good side, and they also remembered the effort I had put in helping to organise the alliance when it first started out.
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