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glas mir
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Posted - 2009.03.05 17:53:00 -
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The inputs for t2 ships have been increasing due to delve war and POS exploit being fixed. This is expected, however the market isn't perfect so there will be opportunity for traders. Just wish I had more isk.
TARANIS and CRUSADER:
can we stop manipulating them, k thanx.
interceptors are supposed to be cheap, their cost is approaching tier one battlecruisers.
none of the other interceptors have seen such drastic price increases. Demand must be plummeting at the new price. I cleaned up the forge of supply outside jita and sold it so am out of this market.
LACHESIS:
this ship must be rly bad, it's price hasn't moved in 3 months although nearly every other t2 ship has. I picked up three to hold onto.
also I think someone is trying to manipulate cov ops like buzzards and cheetahs. If I was inventing, I'd definitely be having a field day in todays market conditions.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.05 18:22:00 -
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 Originally by: glas mir
TARANIS and CRUSADER:
can we stop manipulating them, k thanx.
No
And I won't stop until HACs are at the 130 price median either |
Romanov DeBeers
Gallente
Small Gods
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Posted - 2009.03.05 18:23:00 -
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Firstly coming to MD and complaining about prices is likely to get them raised not suppressed.
Secondly buying up all the goods in the areas near to Jita is likely to get the price rising further.
Thirdly the approx invention (ME -4) build price for a taranis is now about the same cost for a Iskhur. The cap that invention makes on the t2 prices is therefore now higher and therfore the cost of goods to the consumer is now higher.
Finally, the t2 market is often a sellers market so demand is always high at whatever price.
People are manipulating Covops prices due to the up coming patch.
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SencneS
Amarr
Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.03.05 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: glas mir
Interceptors are supposed to be cheap, their cost is approaching tier one Battle Cruisers.
Then buy T1 Battle Cruisers.. You'll get more "bang" for you buck.
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Saaya Illirie
Caldari
Core Element
Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.03.05 18:43:00 -
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Buy an Ares or Malediction instead. Longer scram range is win, versus getting 2 pointed and webbed and failing at adapting to QR patchnotes.
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glas mir
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: glas mir on 05/03/2009 21:01:41
Originally by: Saaya Illirie
Buy an Ares or Malediction instead. Longer scram range is win, versus getting 2 pointed and webbed and failing at adapting to QR patchnotes.
wow everyone is eager to think I'm complaining about t2 ship prices. I'm not, I've made some isk on them, just pointing out that the taranis and crusader have increased out of proportion to other t2 ships which leads me to believe there is manipulation behind it.
I also suspect because there are substitutes like the ares or malediction the demand curve is going to be rather steep meaning, I suspect, the price manipulation will be short in length, unless all ships keeping going up then these two ceptors might just flatline.
I happen to like flying taranis so I'd rather people enter the invention market to bring the price back down now that I've made the easy isk off it :)
lachesis I just lol at it not moving despite every other t2 ship moving up, its demand must be rly weak that the bpo has the market saturated. Least that's my guess.
also in terms of complaining, I gave full disclosure of where I put my isk in OP (PS this char only flies haulers)
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.05 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: glas mir
I happen to like flying taranis so I'd rather people enter the invention market to bring the price back down now that I've made the easy isk off it :)
Let them invent it and put on the market, I'll just keep buying it and encouraging others to do the same.
There are plenty of morons in Delve paying top dollar for just about everything right now. |
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
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Posted - 2009.03.05 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Saaya Illirie
Buy an Ares or Malediction instead. Longer scram range is win, versus getting 2 pointed and webbed and failing at adapting to QR patchnotes.
u wanna dual in a ares or a malediction vs my maxed taranis?
And yes lachestis is a horrible ship, 175m for the same thing a frigat class ship can do better
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cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.03.06 00:03:00 -
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none of the other interceptors have seen such drastic price increases. Demand must be plummeting at the new price. I cleaned up the forge of supply outside jita and sold it so am out of this market.
congratulations... you just helped push the price higher.
With alot of these price manipulations, I think you'll find (i may be wrong), is that most buyers/ sellers are infact traders...
For example, 2 days ago, someone pushed kinetic hardener prices upto 2.8M from 1.6M.
I then undercut for 2.6M... i was subsequently undercut by 0.1 isk, so i went down to 2.4M.
After this happened again, I thought. TO HELL WITH IT!, and plummeted the price back to 1.8M. ..
the reason I did this, was because they just weren't selling... there was just a mass of high prices and no effective price ( i sold about 8 at the highest price).
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Andrachim Vo'nar
Tyr Awrthyr Xchange Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.06 01:45:00 -
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Heh, it's really hard to make a mistake with T2 ships at the moment. Somehow the prices just... stay up there once manipulated / relisted. The Taranis is indeed at quite some level now. And here I thought I was cruel when I "helped" it up to 18.5m after the price had finally stabilized around 14m just 1,5 weeks ago. I certainly did not expect them to go to 23m or I would have kept a few *cough*hundred*cough* around.
Don't think that cheetahs are screwed around with at the moment, buzzards on the other hand are another story. Someone tried a jump some week ago from 18m to 28m which I thought wouldn't last as long as it did. And while it went down again in a reasonable timeframe it wasn't that hard to fix the price at 24m for a few days, relisting a few stockpiles that went a bit over the top with undercutting.
All in all it seems quite easy to make quick ISK at this time with reasonable T2 ship manipulations (BuY mOrE rApIeRs!  ). T2 Items require more determination but it's not impossible. There are a few items that sell even when manipulated, and quite many that sell painfully slow either because of too much competition or the buyers refusing to pay the prices.
In the end with enough ISK, I guess its just easier / more convenient to manipulate the ship market than the item market. |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.06 01:59:00 -
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Just to let the cat out of the bag since its going to wind down here in the next 7-20 days as items come out of cookers.
What it was is the perfect storm of inventors stopping production from material price spikes, BPO holders under duress from the whole delve thing, and just general ramp up for the patch. So there was a major supply crunch coming, obvious from the general volume on market over the last 30 days, since even hoarders inventory stock began to dwindle.
So it really wasn't that difficult to ramp up the prices and sustain them at such insane rates. |
killerco
Gallente
Dutch T2 Production
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: glas mir
TARANIS:
can we stop manipulating them, k thanx.
I'm sorry m8 but as long as the marketprice is this high i(and probally much sellers like me) will be selling at the highest price possible. Taranis can be produced very cheap so this is a golden time for taranis bpo holders and inventors 
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Romanov DeBeers
Gallente
Small Gods
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Posted - 2009.03.08 11:12:00 -
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Well Placid sold out of most high sec Taranis yesterday.
I had mine up at 19.5M which was 3M above the region price and above the Jita buy price on Friday.
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Darwin's Market
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:28:00 -
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T2 mods have come down a lot, some even lower than ever in their market history.
This tells me that T2 ships are only kept up because of manipulations.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:44:00 -
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intriguing
(o)
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F4LC0N
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Posted - 2009.03.08 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Darwin's Market
T2 mods have come down a lot, some even lower than ever in their market history.
This tells me that T2 ships are only kept up because of manipulations.
Mods arent affected by the high dysprosium price as none of them needs materials that uses dysprosium.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.09 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: F4LC0N
Mods arent affected by the high dysprosium price as none of them needs materials that uses dysprosium.
This, this, and more this. As dysprosium goes ever higher everything NOT dysprosium goes proportionately lower as people find they simply can't sell their product at profitable prices. Non-dyspro producers sitting on stockpiles hoping for a price correction must be in serious pain by now as e.g. racial carbides set a new low each and every day.
I figure a few more months of this and people will finally dogpile on the alchemy bandwagon or offline their reaction towers -- just in time for dyspro supplies from 0.0 alliances to stabilize.
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