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Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.03.06 04:14:00 - [121] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 06/03/2009 04:17:07 Originally by: Fraud Crawler AAA only contributed to the war when it was in their direct interest to do so, and the ONLY REASON they defended IAC was because their own space was threatened if they didn't. IAC was a useful buffer. No, AAA was never a "great ally." Great allies... 1. See each other's interests as their own. i.e. "What's good for one of us is good for all of us." 2. Contribute, in a meaningful way, toward helping allies accomplish their goals. 3. Recognize that building a strong relationship toward other alliances is beneficial for everyone. You're right about the IAC part, everything about IAC's relationship with -A- was practical and selfish (on both sides) really nothing friendly about it (except between a very few individuals). Perhaps I should say I consider them to have been extremely useful allies, both to IAC and go GoonSwarm, rather than great ones, but you seem to think of great allies as being friends too, while I don't think that's necesserily the case. Quote: Bad allies... 1. Only care about their own, short term interests. 2. Only contribute when they directly benefit from the immediate operation. 3. Create and break alliances at will. You tell me which one AAA falls under. Because it seems to me that the only thing they know how to do is "open a second front" which is always conveniently right next door. 1. -A- cared about and worked towards their own long term interests too, f.i. by donating unwanted stations to IAC for a blue buffer between themselves and Querious, and ET personally building GoonSwarm's first titan for goons. 2. Yeah that sounds like a pretty fair description of -A-'s behavior to me. 3. Shrug, gotta do something for fun, nothing wrong with it IMO, they didn't break any alliances they were friends with (goons was about closest thing they had to a friend among the alliances they "turned on" and they didn't come close to breaking you) could see that as simply looking for fun fights and a challenge against respected enemies and getting paid for it (until it got all personal).. ED- isn't really right next door to -A-, was 3-5 capital jumps from Catch/Impass or LGK and a LOT more for supercapitals (necessitating going through Providence where CVA incvoneniently kept everything cynojammed) but easy distance for sub-capitals 's true.
Petar Quaresma Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 04:23:00 - [122] TT, that absolutely terrible blurf about the politics of Eve deserves to be on scrapheap and not here. By that I mean it's utterly terrible and stupid- even more terrible than what belongs on these forums. By your reading of history, we're supposed to believe AAA wasn't worthless because they managed to get a gang together to gank a supercap someone else was holding down; because they assisted the absolutely terrible and massively worthless IAC in Querious against the fearsome fighting force known as FIX and because um, well I can't really see anything else from what you're saying. Oh yea, and IAC were the linchpin of our success in the "strategically abandoned" (a euphemism for "strategically taken from them") space in the South and the eventual campaign in Delve (where IAC and AAA were both worthless as a mule's behind). Oh, and when you mentioned the Catch campaign that BoB went to help in.. do you mean the one where we came and bailed IAC out [without us IAC would have been rolled in about 3 seconds and still lost a bunch of space when the lag prevented a defense]. That was US that came up there and not AAA. I remember because IAC was too incompetent to have intell channels or joint comms to facilitate any movement in the region. What a clusterfock.
Ayman Zawahiri Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 04:29:00 - [123] Originally by: Jazhara Gold why dont you goons s..t up and just bring it to AAA and friends and let your pvp do the talking. people are bored of your lame forum rubbish. you would never have taken delve if bob had kept sov http://killboard.goonfleet.com/battles/1148 Not that K/D ratios matter but..this engagement was hilarious for a number of reasons. The -A- fc Nync ragequitting and the Machariel kill for one..
fishblades Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 04:40:00 - [124] Let me tell you about Anthrax Death. They held a tiny spot of space a few jumps out from the middle of our our 77s to AZN bridge network. They were well known for being morons, not contributing at all and generally causing grief for our diplomats. Which resulted in this. Originally by: Goonswarm Diplomat Ok, I've talked to darius, your words did not inspire confidence in him that you would be able to assist us. You by our count have: 1. Not paid soulara the money due for the alliance, he was the only reason you guys had standings to begin with 2. Brought in goodfellas and still have not kicked out misstrez death 3. Have brought in 'citizen alliances' to further clog up the small space you have with your 750+ members and still cannot assemble a fleet to assist us with. You have two days left to evacuate before we reset you. We reset them and proceeded to give their old space to some new brosefs named Zenith Affinity. Well it turns out Anthrax didn't want to leave and decided to hold up in their station system with anchored bubbles, they even put a dread on one the gates for good measure! It died horribly by the way. After that we had a grand old time camping the station while ZAF shot pos, they insisted that they take the system on their own even though they had GF dreads at their disposal if they wanted them. They said the only way to learn is to do it themselves :shobon: Thank's in part to the hilarious entrance of ZAF we like them a lot and they have been on every major operation we have been on. We have a ton of great allies but I think the ZAF story shows what to do, and what not to do. I have to admit -A- takes the trophy for most worthless even against Anthrax Death.
KeratinBoy Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 04:46:00 - [125] One day, when GS is fat and bloated like a fat and bloated thing, lazy from Delve ratting officer spawns and flying around in Falcons and Vagabonds and the like, I like to think that a young, energetic ZAF will rise up against our hurfdurf and headshot us. All this has happened before, all this will happen again.
Fraud Crawler Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 04:52:00 - [126] Originally by: Petar Quaresma TT, that absolutely terrible blurf about the politics of Eve deserves to be on scrapheap and not here. By that I mean it's utterly terrible and stupid- even more terrible than what belongs on these forums. By your reading of history, we're supposed to believe AAA wasn't worthless because they managed to get a gang together to gank a supercap someone else was holding down; because they assisted the absolutely terrible and massively worthless IAC in Querious against the fearsome fighting force known as FIX and because um, well I can't really see anything else from what you're saying. Oh yea, and IAC were the linchpin of our success in the "strategically abandoned" (a euphemism for "strategically taken from them") space in the South and the eventual campaign in Delve (where IAC and AAA were both worthless as a mule's behind). Oh, and when you mentioned the Catch campaign that BoB went to help in.. do you mean the one where we came and bailed IAC out [without us IAC would have been rolled in about 3 seconds and still lost a bunch of space when the lag prevented a defense]. That was US that came up there and not AAA. I remember because IAC was too incompetent to have intell channels or joint comms to facilitate any movement in the region. What a clusterfock. I think you're wrong. You see, AAA is not useless. AAA can gather large fleets and reinforce and blow up a lot of POS. They have a lot of Titans. However, AAA can not be relied on to do anything. They never hold up their commitments and they will promise help until hell freezes over but will never actually contribute anything. 20 token pilots would be nice, even. But nope. AAA is a bad ally.
fishblades Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 04:52:00 - [127] I'd like to add that ZAF is currently living in their new home, Delve.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.03.06 05:19:00 - [128] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 06/03/2009 05:22:31 Originally by: Petar Quaresma TT, that absolutely terrible blurf about the politics of Eve deserves to be on scrapheap and not here. By that I mean it's utterly terrible and stupid- even more terrible than what belongs on these forums. By your reading of history, we're supposed to believe AAA wasn't worthless because they managed to get a gang together to gank a supercap someone else was holding down; because they assisted the absolutely terrible and massively worthless IAC in Querious against the fearsome fighting force known as FIX and because um, well I can't really see anything else from what you're saying. Oh yea, and IAC were the linchpin of our success in the "strategically abandoned" (a euphemism for "strategically taken from them") space in the South and the eventual campaign in Delve (where IAC and AAA were both worthless as a mule's behind). Oh, and when you mentioned the Catch campaign that BoB went to help in.. do you mean the one where we came and bailed IAC out [without us IAC would have been rolled in about 3 seconds and still lost a bunch of space when the lag prevented a defense]. That was US that came up there and not AAA. I remember because IAC was too incompetent to have intell channels or joint comms to facilitate any movement in the region. What a clusterfock. Kinda difficult to respond to a post that ignorant and blatantly trolling, but I'll try anyway. 1. those supercaps wouldn't have died without them, and their deaths affected morale on both sides of war 2. nowhere did I say IAC was the lynchpin of anything, however IAC/AAA taking fight to querious did prevent about 10 pet alliances from helping BoB against you guys in feyth, including MC which most considered to be pretty formidable at the time (since they'd just got back from crushing most of the north) IAC wasn't worthless at all in the Delve campaign, AAA on the other hand was, in fact IAC was about 10x as useful as TCF in that part of the war, they lost one fight at the start and never came back in force i think at that point we were more useful than anyone from the north with the sole exception of Razor when MC+bob pets and later BoB was steamrolling Catch goonswarm did nothing useful to delay their offensive, -A- + IAC and RA delayed them for about a month in FAT-, by the time that was over yes IAC was in terrible shape, yes would've lost in about 3 seconds without those two alliances vs the 15 or so attacking, no goons weren't involved in any relevant way so dunno wtf you're talking about there goons did later show up in force to retake the lost stations along with TCF and a recovered IAC led by VileLust
Aren Evalin Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 05:31:00 - [129] Omeega you were always a pretty good guy and I'm a little sad that you joined -A- :(
Reapeat Offender Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 05:44:00 - [130] Originally by: Anton Marx "We're not playing your version of allies!" You sure aren't. Allies actually show up and help those they are..umm....allied with.

Zemi Dahut Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 05:54:00 - [131] I'm going to be the contrarian in this thread and say that -A- was correct in not helping out KenGoku. Now before you start hurfing and blurfing hear me out. The only thing that was going to save Kenneth was the breaking up of the PR- camp or a cap on cap fight large enough to disable the round the clock tower killing operations. Both of these would have required -A- to risk alliance assets more significant that HAC gangs, and since Kenny was unwilling to do so for itself, why should -A- do this when they know that they're next on the chopping block? However, like BoB did before them, they let their only friends of worth in the EVE universe get killed off without doing much, and now stand quite alone in space. It'll be interesting how they fare when the invasion starts this weekend, and will they do more than stick 13 titans in HED and pray for the evil Goons to go away.
Butter Dog Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.03.06 10:00:00 - [132] Originally by: Sionn Klorgh Quote: We attacked you way before you even touched delve. And you folded like straw to the wind... There was a time when goons couldn't put a fleet of a 100 together in their prime. When they had lost all of Esoteria, a big chunk of their high end moon income and the Northern Coalition and friends were doing all their defense work in the east. All this occurred BEFORE Bob handed you the keys to Delve. Once it occurred, you couldn't run away fast enough from the hard fight to begin your bandwagon pos spam. While the hypocrisy flows, perhaps goons could also tell us how abandoning their allies United Legion makes them feel? While we have made a few road trips to Delve, I have never seen a single goon lift a single finger for United. In regards to Delve, you have won nothing until BOB decides to disband. Keep praying that they do because your existence in Delve is hardly certain once NC, PL and the bandwagon stops holding you hand. i enjoyed reading that, saved me from typing it ---------- AKA 'Bitter Dog' Failing at everything he does in EvE since '05
Deira Lenia Gallente Carebear Evolution Initiative Associates	Posted - 2009.03.06 10:08:00 - [133] Edited by: Deira Lenia on 06/03/2009 10:09:15 AAA: ticker not found. -A-: Ticker found. belongs to Against All Authorities. Damn, i wonder who are bad allies here, seeing AAA dont exist rofl Ninjaedit: OOoh, Butter Dog is back! Hi5 -- Carebear Evolution. Learning People to explode since: Err, since we felt like it.
Marlona Sky Caldari Astroglide X The Foray Project	Posted - 2009.03.06 10:09:00 - [134] Posting in another thread started by a goon, to promote goon chest beating with 95% goon replies.
Kanoubi Amarr Rytiri Lva R.U.R.	Posted - 2009.03.06 10:28:00 - [135] Originally by: Petar Quaresma The simple fact of the matter is our old space wasn't worth fighting for. Delve is. We took it. Once we're done here we're going to cut AAA off from empire like we were and let you sit there in your little corner of space and slowly die. We took it ... We¦re going ... You¦re saying Goonswarn or half of Eve ?
Cletus Graeme Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.03.06 11:09:00 - [136] Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 06/03/2009 11:09:17 Originally by: Kanoubi Originally by: Petar Quaresma The simple fact of the matter is our old space wasn't worth fighting for. Delve is. We took it. Once we're done here we're going to cut AAA off from empire like we were and let you sit there in your little corner of space and slowly die. We took it ... We¦re going ... You¦re saying Goonswarn or half of Eve ? This is ironic coming from an alliance who napped with the whole of the GBC to attack Fountain and still failed miserably. I think you should stick to alliance tournaments and leave the 0.0 politics to those who can actually take space.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 11:22:00 - [137] Gratz AAA on repelling our invasion of Catch and Lonetrek.
Kanoubi Amarr Rytiri Lva R.U.R.	Posted - 2009.03.06 11:35:00 - [138] Originally by: Cletus Graeme ...I think you should stick to alliance tournaments and leave the 0.0 politics to those who can actually take space. Do i need to shoot someone to have a "politic" opinion ?.
RedSplat Caldari Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.06 11:48:00 - [139] Originally by: Kanoubi Do i need to shoot someone to have a "politic" opinion ?. Pretty much [i] Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1
Izuxiria Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.06 13:55:00 - [140] Edited by: Izuxiria on 06/03/2009 13:59:16 Quote: Keep praying that they do because your existence in Delve is hardly certain once NC, PL and the bandwagon stops holding you hand. this is where you fail to understand this is the whole point of the thread TCF will always hold hands with goons this is what allies do <3 goons

Der Sworn Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 14:49:00 - [141] Originally by: Izuxiria Edited by: Izuxiria on 06/03/2009 13:59:16 Quote: Keep praying that they do because your existence in Delve is hardly certain once NC, PL and the bandwagon stops holding you hand. this is where you fail to understand this is the whole point of the thread TCF will always hold hands with goons this is what allies do <3 goons I just don think they will ever "get" our relationship.
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:00:00 - [142] Eve is like the movie Braveheart. Goons are William Wallace, and kengoku is edward longshanks. TCF is that hot french chick. ZAF is that crazy Irish dude. -A- are those nobles that showed up on the battlefield then rode off.
Cletus Graeme Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:08:00 - [143] Originally by: Brobuck Eve is like the movie Braveheart. Goons are William Wallace, and kengoku is edward longshanks. TCF is that hot french chick. ZAF is that crazy Irish dude. -A- are those nobles that showed up on the battlefield then rode off. Uhm, you have seen Braveheart haven't you? Cos William Wallace gets hung, drawn and quartered at the end....
Svetlanna Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:13:00 - [144] Originally by: Fraud Crawler Originally by: Svetlanna Originally by: Fraud Crawler Originally by: Svetlanna One of the best thing we just did recently was to kick you out of your own home, and watch you leave in total panick and chaos, loosing trillions! And all this while you had your huge coalition backing you up at the same time! so even more A part from that, yea, we are bad, so bad...we know... Not as bad as your wave of cheap garbage provocation on forum, and you also know that What planet do you live on? We said at the very beginning of the Delve invasion that we were leaving the South and heading to Delve. We took Delve. Delve is our new home. . You are suffering from serious memory loss, or should I name the INFfamous Halzeimer taking control of your mind? We attacked you way before you even touched delve. And you folded like straw to the wind... Your resistance added to the help of big brothers that you brought from the North did not even help you to evacuate properly, leaving behind you ton of assets. Like I said, chaotic escape in a total panick mode, screaming with children and women behind you! you monsters!!! Booooh shame on you! What planet do you live in? If you were doing so god damn well, why did you lose your POSes in 0oyz, dg-, and VNG? And all of Wicked Creek? Folded like "straw to the wind?" Whatever. As for "proper evacuation," the vast majority of GS assets were evacuated. I myself evacuated 5b in assets over the weekend and another 10b in a freighter. (Yes, a regular freighter) We moved 300+ capitals and 8 titans in multiple convoys that you couldn't disrupt. We didn't need NC help to evacuate. In fact, we didn't want NC help. We wanted them in Delve. The stuff we couldn't take, we insurance frauded. Was it ideal? No. But that's what you do when you're moving. Don't spend too much time patting yourself on the back for ganking a few JFs or SamHandwich's mothership while he was high as ****, because that didn't matter. We obviously had enough assets to take Delve. You didn't help KenGoku. That's all there is to it. You can talk all you want about how you made us lose stations or cut off our supply lines or whatever, but that's about as significant as killing a few ratting ravens or camping a gate in the grand scheme of things. We were fighting a war while you were shooting offline POSes. Good job. You are terrible allies. Stop trying to justify yourself and make people think you had this all thing well planned. You ran away from your burning house in a pathetic manner in panick mode, and that was hillarious. Anyhow, this is not a surprise, as your military tactics and performances are bellow ground level. Just live with it, you can't change the past my dear. Now look who's mad
w00tle Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:14:00 - [145] The only people that will be able to kick us out of Delve is an alliance that has even just a bit of cunning, determination and is remotely clever. That is, no one that we are currently enemies with*. You boring, crusty old men haven't got a chance. (don't think you're clever and interpret that as our allies turning on us)
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:18:00 - [146] Originally by: Svetlanna Stop trying to justify yourself and make people think you had this all thing well planned. You ran away from your burning house in a pathetic manner in panick mode, and that was hillarious. Anyhow, this is not a surprise, as your military tactics and performances are bellow ground level. Just live with it, you can't change the past my dear. Now look who's mad Guess who are the only ones trying to justify their uselessness? Trying so hard, they've even convinced themselves in ****ed stories they tell. That phase is called "denial". Btw, you guys are really good and** relevant.
Svetlanna Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:23:00 - [147] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Svetlanna Stop trying to justify yourself and make people think you had this all thing well planned. You ran away from your burning house in a pathetic manner in panick mode, and that was hillarious. Anyhow, this is not a surprise, as your military tactics and performances are bellow ground level. Just live with it, you can't change the past my dear. Now look who's mad Guess who are the only ones trying to justify their uselessness? Trying so hard, they've even convinced themselves in ****ed stories they tell. That phase is called "denial". Btw, you guys are really good and** relevant. No justifications on our side needed here my love. Facts talk by themselves: We already own your homes, you do not own ours. And no matter how you turn it around, you can not say that. This is something you can not say Owned. The end.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:26:00 - [148] Originally by: Svetlanna Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Svetlanna Stop trying to justify yourself and make people think you had this all thing well planned. You ran away from your burning house in a pathetic manner in panick mode, and that was hillarious. Anyhow, this is not a surprise, as your military tactics and performances are bellow ground level. Just live with it, you can't change the past my dear. Now look who's mad Guess who are the only ones trying to justify their uselessness? Trying so hard, they've even convinced themselves in ****ed stories they tell. That phase is called "denial". Btw, you guys are really good and** relevant. No justifications on our side needed here my love. Facts talk by themselves: We already own your homes, you do not own ours. And no matter how you turn it around, you can not say that. This is something you can not say Owned. The end. Sionn, I know you love talking about 'facts' all the time. However, those 'facts' are a product of your imagination.
Ayman Zawahiri Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:28:00 - [149] Originally by: Svetlanna Stop trying to justify yourself and make people think you had this all thing well planned. You ran away from your burning house in a pathetic manner in panick mode, and that was hillarious. Anyhow, this is not a surprise, as your military tactics and performances are bellow ground level. Just live with it, you can't change the past my dear. Now look who's mad Yeah unfortunately GS doesn't field and lose machariels in fleet battles to achieve the pinnacle of pvp eliteness as -A-.
Omeega Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.03.06 15:33:00 - [150] Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Svetlanna Sionn Swing & miss. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...



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