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Neddy Fox
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.05 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Neddy Fox on 05/03/2009 23:32:18
I'll start with the happy happy joy joy. Scanned down several hits, and some where BLOODY hard. Good fun.
BUT:
-You can't zoom in enough. For the last WH I had to get 4 probes within 56k km, which is as goos as impossible to do SINCE YOU CAN'T ZOOM IN ENOUGH. I had to move probes ONE PIXEL on maximal zoom.
-Did 2 anomalies. Lost 14 drones from the 25 I had. The SECOND you release them they get alphaed. There are people who rely on drone DPS , dear CCP. Don't make it impossible to play for them.
-2 Remote repping BS are able, with good coordination, to tank most. Deploying / scooping / deploying / scooping / deploying / scooping sentries helped a lot in it. Bull****. I want to tank and hit stuff, not deploy my drones as bloody decoys every 3 seconds.
-Get the LAG sorted ! Yes, we are with 900 players online, and YES, we want to test and help, butloosing 3 ships in a row since your test-cluster can't cope doesn't help.
Ending with Happy Happy Joy Joy : LOTS of bugs sorted. IMO its playable this way, if you stay away from WH space with droneboats.
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Lt Shard
Shoot To Thrill
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.03.05 23:37:00 -
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Sleeper fights = be in a fleet if you value your things.
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Neddy Fox
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2009.03.06 11:53:00 -
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That doesn't reduce the damage on your drones.
As said : They have them prelocked, and the moment I release them they get destroyed. I'm not even fast enough to scoop sentries back.
The sleepers instantly switch to my drones every time.
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Imertu Solientai
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Posted - 2009.03.06 19:42:00 -
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Yes - I am finding this to be a problem too. This thread needs a bit of hard evidence though, to show why this is bad, and actually will introduce a significant imbalance between the races. Below is a list of races and their corresponding BS weapon type proportions:
Missiles: 1 point per missile hardpoint
Turrets: 1 point per turret hardpoint (independant of type)
Drones: 1 point per 25m3 drone bay space
Amarr:
Turrets: 23 (62%)
Missiles: 3 (8%)
Drones: 11 (30%)
Total: 37
Caldari:
Turrets: 12 (35%)
Missiles: 14 (41%)
Drones: 8 (24%)
Total: 34
Gallente:
Turrets: 21 (44%)
Missiles: 3 (6%)
Drones: 24 (50%)
Total: 48
Minmatar:
Turrets: 18 (42%)
Missiles: 11 (26%)
Drones: 14 (32%)
Total: 43
As you can see, gallnte are hit roughly 20% harder than any other race by this change, while caldari get off the easiest. I propose Reducing the sleepers targetting preference for drones, and possibly adding low-power (read: normal) defender missiles to balance things out a bit. In its current state drone ships are seriously nerfed for W-Space, and the only drone-specialised ship is Gallente.
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.06 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Holy Lowlander on 06/03/2009 20:35:43
sleepers should continue to target drones. But only their frigates or something should do it and they shouldn't be instalocked/killed. Thats just stupid....
ninja edit: still having luck finding plexes neddy :) ?
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.03.06 20:40:00 -
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Well you can understand the reasons why they would make sleepers instalock your drones.
If they didn't then people could just, as you said in the op, drop scoop drop scoop, to such a degree that the sleepers are switching targets too often to put any hurt on you.
Then the second thing, sleepers have to alpha drones or you can exploit a RR drone situation.
As I say, it's a toughie to balance.
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Jack Jombardo
Amarr
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2009.03.06 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 06/03/2009 20:47:33
Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 06/03/2009 20:46:32
Atm it's not worth to deploy drones. Every time I tryed I lost 1 to 5. Even repair drones are 100% worthless while fighting sleepers :(.
Maybe change them so they "just" ecm/web/TD them but don't destroy them?
Part of the problem is, Sleeper track to good against drones.
Ever tryed to kill a Warrior II with your BS? well, Sleepers can do it at very close range  .
PS: My alt with his Hyena is slower and has a bigger signatur and about the same effectiv HP (nearly *g*) as my Drones ... but he survives some aggro while the drones insta pop.
Curios.
 Originally by: CCP Nozh
Where do tech 3 ships fit in?The goal has always been to have them considerably cheap, around the price of tech 2 cruisers.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.03.06 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 06/03/2009 21:02:44
Maybe they should change sleepers a.i priorities so small ships like frigates and cruisers will kill your drones, but battleships ignore them? (unless there's no other targets)
I'd say that was fair.
Might not be able to hit the small stuff like other races big ships, but once you've whittled them down to the bigger ships, gallente get to use the dps in their drones where other races have it inbued in extra turrets/launchers/damage modifiers.
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Hooded Person
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.06 23:51:00 -
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Yep, agreed - this is a serious problem in W-Space
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.03.07 00:05:00 -
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Quote:
-2 Remote repping BS are able, with good coordination, to tank most. Deploying / scooping / deploying / scooping / deploying / scooping sentries helped a lot in it. Bull****. I want to tank and hit stuff, not deploy my drones as bloody decoys every 3 seconds.
If that really works good for tanking I'd say its a weakness in their tactics.
Did you use regular drones that didnt do any dps at all, or did you use sentries and got a shot off to get aggro for the drone? Did you try utility drones like ecm or logistics?
I am wondering since the logical approach for them should be to agress drones only if they are a immediate danger or contribute a lot to total dps, not simply based on their type or the fact they are there.
If that is the case, that is a problem in 2 aspects, first the disadvantage for the drone user (though that is debatable, as players are also free to engage drones if they think its worth it, still they could have issues focusing fire here), and then the fact that it can be used to fool the AI into wasting their dps, and thus needing only a very small number of ships to get the tanking sorted.
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