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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.03.06 15:48:00 -
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Anyone have a list of 'going rates' and anyone know somewhere that would be a good spot to sell some at?
I recently came in to possesion of a handful of Invented T2 Lightmissle BPC's. Can't find any listed in contracts to compare the price. And I have no clue where to go to sellt hem
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:14:00 -
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Okay, add up how much it would cost to invent the item. Once you have that number cut it in half and you'll have an idea of what someone will offer you for them.
At best.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:50:00 -
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Gonna take that sell it at half the invention cost as dribble...
Makes sense to figure up the invention cost, ammo invents at around 40% right? Gotta count that in.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.06 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Gonna take that sell it at half the invention cost as dribble...
Makes sense to figure up the invention cost, ammo invents at around 40% right? Gotta count that in.
No its not really dribble. Seriously don't expect to make nearly what goes into making a BPC
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.03.06 18:33:00 -
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heh, "stuff for free" thinking is *perfectly normal*. just look where it got us in the real world.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.03.06 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes heh, "stuff for free" thinking is *perfectly normal*. just look where it got us in the real world.
Yup, my 401k is in the toilet, over half my plant is shutdown, my electric bill just went up 32%... and unfortunately there are no lvl4 missions I can run in real life to make $$$ out of thin air
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Khrillian
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.06 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jagga Spikes heh, "stuff for free" thinking is *perfectly normal*. just look where it got us in the real world.
The problem was it really was free....if you win you make out like a bandit, if you lose you make out like a lesser bandit and are too big to fail.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.06 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Clausewitz Gonna take that sell it at half the invention cost as dribble... Makes sense to figure up the invention cost, ammo invents at around 40% right? Gotta count that in.
Two things to add here: looking from the outside inward a lot of things appear to "make sense". However more often than not once you get inside everything you find out everything you thought is wrong. An example I often use, but may not apply to some reading these forums, is sex. Before you had it, you thought one thing. After you had it, "wow how little did I really know". There is a failing in thinking that logic can replace experience. Try to avoid that as much as possible and you might avoid analogous experiences to putting you hand on a hot stove.
Secondly, the word you wanted was "drivel". It means to talk stupidly or carelessly. To demonstrate which one of us was talking drivel I'm going to explain to something you probably don't know: Invention is not profitable. I'll wait while people automatically react with, "WTFRU Talking about!!!!" Invention, alone, is not a profitable exercise. It totally depends on follow through either by the inventor or by someone the inventor sells/hands the invented bpc's too. "Obviously" is what you are going to say. Well the not so obvious thing is that the real bottleneck to invention is production. It takes far far longer to build what one person can invent. Thus, the supply of invented bpc's far outstrips the possible demand devaluing the market. Further devaluing comes from the common wisdom that invention is profitable. This makes for more and more people thinking that it is invention, itself, that is the worthwhile activity (when it is not) and thus they all join in the time sink that is invention. Over supply on inventors, check Over supply on bpcs, huge f-ing check Add in that those who are most likely to buy your bpc's already have an inventor character or an inventor buddy on hand, with plenty of datacore farming for themselves, you therefor reduce your secondary market on the item you have gained for free (but free only to you - someone foolishly paid for it.) Under supply of buyers, even bigger f-ing check. So, the only way you'll get what it costs in datacores for thos bpcs is if you find some fool who wants the thrill of t2 building and not the profit of t2 building. So, are we clear on the meaning, usage, and application of the word drivel as opposed to dribble?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 03:43:00 -
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Giving a half-helpful answer that ends up price-wise just about where Shar said it would end up at... ...take the sales price of items manufactured from your BPC, subtract the manufacture cost of those items from that, divide it by two, and that's how much you can expect to get from your BPCs (at best).
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T ...take the sales price of items manufactured from your BPC, subtract the manufacture cost of those items from that, divide it by two, and that's how much you can expect to get from your BPCs (at best).
Really? I had not thought it that bad. Guess my advice was a bit off... too hopeful I guess.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:40:00 -
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Well, on average... or in bulk, IT IS that bad for the poor inventors, they WILL give it that cheap (speaking as the BUYER here, not as a seller, heh) For "single tries", if you put it up as item exchanges or auctions, you MIGHT get some decently high offers from people who just don't know better... but it's pretty random.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:44:00 -
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I'll agree with Akita, if you have the patience to move them slowly one at a time you can almost guarantee a return above actual cost. But in bulk... fat chance. |

Miranda Reactor
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:52:00 -
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T2 BPC For Ammo seem to run about 4.5 to 5M each
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Hieronimus Rex
Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Miranda Reactor T2 BPC For Ammo seem to run about 4.5 to 5M each
Really...WOW you're making a profit there. If you want to buy any at 4mil each don't hesisate to contact me (10 run -4/-4).
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:42:00 -
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As with everything don't expect to invent across the board and make big bank.
There are plenty of items with BPCs selling for well above invention cost. (10-20% profit, valuing datacores at jita sell prices and BPCs at empire POS fuel cost/hr). Unfortunately those are the ones selling from contracts nearly instantly, leaving only the poor demand ones to linger and provide incorrect impressions.
Ship hull BPCs are definitely NOT where the profit is.
I often have the spare capacity for gallente and sometimes minmatar related t2 production. However, whenever I check the market for the most profitable t2 BPCs for those races I'm always better off making some t1 while inventing BPCs myself.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.07 19:56:00 -
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One of the larger reasons a lot of gallente related invention gets hit harder, is more so because of the amount of datacores required that go into Hulk invention. And to a lesser degree anything that uses mechanical engineering as well.
Truth be told, they should have added a datacore type for the ships for which no prints ever existed. |

Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.07 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria One of the larger reasons a lot of gallente related invention gets hit harder, is more so because of the amount of datacores required that go into Hulk invention. And to a lesser degree anything that uses mechanical engineering as well.
Truth be told, they should have added a datacore type for the ships for which no prints ever existed.
OTOH, the demand for gallente hulls is also vastly smaller than other races. The only remaining t2 gallente ships of any value are the Ishkur, Ishtar, Arazu and Helios. Of those only the Helios will be of much use in W-space. So I don't think the hulk soaking up demand can be blamed for the terrible margins on gallente ship hulls.
I think more of the problem lies in the repeated nerfstick beatdowns of anything gallente for the last year and change.
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