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CCP t0rfifrans
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:27:00 -
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When doing research for Apocrypha, a lot of time was spent trying to figure out what wormholes should look like. The classic image of a wormhole as some sort of vortex on a 2-d plane sitting in space is actually incorrect, according to scientists at Tnbingen University, Germany. The four dimensional topolgy of space being bent means that you can enter the wormhole from any direction and looking through it you would see the other side. From any direction. So that's why we didn't go for the classic whirlpool funnel on a 2d plane, as wormholes are usually represented in classic Sci-Fi.
There are videos that explain it quite well on this page.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:30:00 -
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interesting proposition.
I imagine it would be kinda weird looking at a wormhole, and then from different angles and seeing the other side the entire time...
kinda like a klein bottle i suppose... (sp?)
 Originally by: Akita T
Seriously ?
...wow... I'm such a forum ho' !
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DaDutchDude
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:31:00 -
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I see what you did there ...
You, sir, gave us reason to compliment you on the correctness of how wormholes look. And you're right .... seems like you did a good job.
/me gives t0rfi & dev team a plate with chocolate chip cookies
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:32:00 -
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like this lol
ps: i think you are quite hot torfi
visit my blog for my adventures
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.08 18:57:00 -
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The only wormholes i know are that caused by a worm in a apple, or special wood-worms in furniture.
The wormholes in space are imaginations of crazy scientists, same as the "big bang". If someone wants to tell me there's a wormhole somewhere out there in space, i'd answer in the old Eve fashion way: proof or STFU.
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:04:00 -
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When I read the thread title, Goatse  was the 1st that came up my mind but then I realized that someone from the DEV team created that thread 
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AC Resonance
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
The only wormholes i know are that caused by a worm in a apple, or special wood-worms in furniture.
The wormholes in space are imaginations of crazy scientists, same as the "big bang". If someone wants to tell me there's a wormhole somewhere out there in space, i'd answer in the old Eve fashion way: proof or STFU.
"Before you judge me take a look at you
Can't you find something better to do
Point the finger, slow to understand
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand"
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:06:00 -
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So this is where you got the idea of the wormhole how it will looks like. :)
But generally I like it.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:07:00 -
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I guess it'd look like a hole in space, but shows the same space from any angle. Guess like a 2D pane that is always facing the camera, displaying a different 3D image. Maybe with some halo of distortion around it where space isn't completely wrapped up perpendicular to normal space.
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Xindi Kraid
Gene Works
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:09:00 -
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Something based on hard science?
Who are you and what did you do with our devs?
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: AC Resonance
"Before you judge me take a look at you
Can't you find something better to do
Point the finger, slow to understand
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand"
So i'm arrogant/ignorant because i don't believe in a wormholes pseudo-science. I'm sorry for questioning your worldview, but Deep Space Nine and Star Trek are not science (sorry to burst your bubble). Wormholes are quite common in SciFi (like telekinetic powers in the mystery genre) there is no proof or circumstational evidence of the existance of it.
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AC Resonance
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
Originally by: AC Resonance
"Before you judge me take a look at you
Can't you find something better to do
Point the finger, slow to understand
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand"
So i'm arrogant/ignorant because i don't believe in a wormholes pseudo-science. I'm sorry for questioning your worldview, but Deep Space Nine and Star Trek are not science (sorry to burst your bubble). Wormholes are quite common in SciFi (like telekinetic powers in the mystery genre) there is no proof or circumstational evidence of the existance of it.
lol wind them up and watch them go.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
Originally by: AC Resonance
"Before you judge me take a look at you
Can't you find something better to do
Point the finger, slow to understand
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand"
So i'm arrogant/ignorant because i don't believe in a wormholes pseudo-science. I'm sorry for questioning your worldview, but Deep Space Nine and Star Trek are not science (sorry to burst your bubble). Wormholes are quite common in SciFi (like telekinetic powers in the mystery genre) there is no proof or circumstational evidence of the existance of it.
EvE is sci fi. But then again, so was Jules Vern. Science fiction has a very strange way of becoming reality.
The vast majority of science is, in itself, hypothetical. Everything is taken on faith. No better than their religious counterparts, it's logic is based on assumptions, it's assumptions are based on limited information. Science at least grows and adapts, however, when new information is learned which debunks prior assumptions.
Science Fiction is not held to the rules of assumption/debunk. The very founding of SciFi is 'what if'. So while the concept of wormholes is hypothetical, so is gravity and the premise of light.
Nobody can truly define gravity. Just their best estimates. The purest laws in science are those with the most generalized applications, and even the great minds warned that they are working with limited information.
There's no proof on what gravity is or how it works ... just that it does, and a lot of great math trying to explain why it does what it does.
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Element 22
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
Originally by: AC Resonance
"Before you judge me take a look at you
Can't you find something better to do
Point the finger, slow to understand
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand"
So i'm arrogant/ignorant because i don't believe in a wormholes pseudo-science. I'm sorry for questioning your worldview, but Deep Space Nine and Star Trek are not science (sorry to burst your bubble). Wormholes are quite common in SciFi (like telekinetic powers in the mystery genre) there is no proof or circumstational evidence of the existance of it.
Not quite true. There ARE wormholes in real life. They're just really really tiny and unstable. These wormholes appear on the quantum level and it's not just theory as there have been more the a few experiments that point very strongly towards them exisiting.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 08/03/2009 19:50:40
Originally by: Element 22
Not quite true. There ARE wormholes in real life. They're just really really tiny and unstable. These wormholes appear on the quantum level and it's not just theory as there have been more the a few experiments that point very strongly towards them exisiting.
Could you please cite your sources on this info? The OP's cited source claims that wormholes would require exotic matter - specifically matter which has negative energy density (EDIT: and in insane quantities: "A billion times the density of a neutron star"). This is a quality which no known type of matter possesses. Perhaps you are thinking about black holes, which simply requires matter to be packed into a small enough space.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:52:00 -
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While we're at it, time to repost this gem on the effects of relativity.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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eFart
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Element 22
Not quite true. There ARE wormholes in real life. They're just really really tiny and unstable. These wormholes appear on the quantum level and it's not just theory as there have been more the a few experiments that point very strongly towards them exisiting.
their r no wormholes in rl dude lol i bet your from sientology church man lol wormholes r only in films n games not in rl u better dont bielieve evrything dont wach tv 2 much tvs bad 4 u lol
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Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
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Posted - 2009.03.08 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: iudex
The only wormholes i know are that caused by a worm in a apple, or special wood-worms in furniture.
The wormholes in space are imaginations of crazy scientists, same as the "big bang". If someone wants to tell me there's a wormhole somewhere out there in space, i'd answer in the old Eve fashion way: proof or STFU.
Who cares what you think?
There might also be worms in your butthole, and it still wouldn't matter.
This is a forum for a game. If you want to discuss the feasability of wormholes you'd better go to an astrophisics forum. Or don't. Who cares.
OP: nice work! 
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.08 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
While we're at it, time to repost this gem on the effects of relativity.
I have no idea what I just watched
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eFart
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Posted - 2009.03.08 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow
Originally by: Tippia
While we're at it, time to repost this gem on the effects of relativity.
I have no idea what I just watched
dude is drunk and drives on worng site
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Morberi
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Posted - 2009.03.08 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
While we're at it, time to repost this gem on the effects of relativity.
Thank you for that, very intereasting.
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DaxSnake
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Posted - 2009.03.08 20:28:00 -
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It depends on what kind of wormhole.
There are multiple equations for different kinds.
The most common being Einstein-Rosen bridges
then theres Schwarzschild wormholes
Both are based around theory's of black holes, holes in space-time that let you see the same space at a different point in time, or a different parallel reality or universe
There's also transverseable wormholes called Morris-Thorne wormholes
wormholes that can be traveled through and youd end up at any random place in the universe and at any point in time, while still being able to look back through the wormhole to see the place and point in time you just came from on the other side.
Another theory is space-time being folded upon itself allowing instantaneous travel between two points of space and time.
The wormholes now in EVE Online would be Morris-Thorne wormholes as that they are transversable, but unlike the theory's we have, would be unlikely because an event so cataclysmic to create an unstable wormhole in space (such as a black hole) would also affect time (causing you to time travel aswell as move instantaneously through two points of space)
did i just confuse any of you? lol
Ive always loved the idea of black holes and wormholes
and i asked a lot of questions in science classes when i was young.
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Bestofworst
Gallente
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.03.08 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: DaxSnake
It depends on what kind of wormhole.
There are multiple equations for different kinds.
The most common being Einstein-Rosen bridges
then theres Schwarzschild wormholes
Both are based around theory's of black holes, holes in space-time that let you see the same space at a different point in time, or a different parallel reality or universe
There's also transverseable wormholes called Morris-Thorne wormholes
wormholes that can be traveled through and youd end up at any random place in the universe and at any point in time, while still being able to look back through the wormhole to see the place and point in time you just came from on the other side.
Another theory is space-time being folded upon itself allowing instantaneous travel between two points of space and time.
The wormholes now in EVE Online would be Morris-Thorne wormholes as that they are transversable, but unlike the theory's we have, would be unlikely because an event so cataclysmic to create an unstable wormhole in space (such as a black hole) would also affect time (causing you to time travel aswell as move instantaneously through two points of space)
did i just confuse any of you? lol
Ive always loved the idea of black holes and wormholes
and i asked a lot of questions in science classes when i was young.
Gives a good explanation to the super drones.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.03.08 20:40:00 -
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All my attempts to draw what I think a wormhole should look like ended up looking a bit too much like what CCP has already decided to use anyway. I think the ones ingame look brilliant, very beautiful and a bit accurate then your average Sci Fi's wormholes to boot.
Only stickler would probably be the colours of some of them.
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iudex
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.03.08 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dmian
Who cares what you think?
There might also be worms in your butthole, and it still wouldn't matter.
This is a forum for a game. If you want to discuss the feasability of wormholes you'd better go to an astrophisics forum. Or don't. Who cares.
OP: nice work!
Please, spare us with details from your last medical inspection. This thread is not only about game wormholes but about how "real" wormholes might look like, read the headline of this thread.
But since you lack the intelligence to see the connection of my posts with the OP here's the slow version:
Since a wormhole doesn't exist in reality, there is no need (and no possibility) to make a fiction wormhole look like a real one. The artist isn't limited and can make it look like whatever he likes - for example like some wormholes showed in SciFi movies.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.03.08 21:09:00 -
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Given the necessity for gravitational waves, it'd be near black hole. However the amount of excess energy would likely cause insane amounts of all sorts of radiation. In real life you eyes would likely fry, and it would be bright white. Not very good for games.
What is sure is that the presented in the videos is how things would warp, excluding the radiation. Not that we'd survive the trip anyways, we'd be ripped apart by the gravimetric forces before getting through...
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Uzume Ame
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Posted - 2009.03.08 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Uzume Ame on 08/03/2009 21:15:47
Originally by: Ruze
The vast majority of science is, in itself, hypothetical. Everything is taken on faith. No better than their religious counterparts, it's logic is based on assumptions, it's assumptions are based on limited information. Science at least grows and adapts, however, when new information is learned which debunks prior assumptions.
Do you see what I did there?
edit: about wormholes, most evidence says they do not exist but it's not enterilly impossible for them to exist, they are the result of a mathematical equation, which does not, by far, make them real, but is still a possibility.
what is quite fantasious is the popular conception of a wormhole as something which you could use to travel around the universe, as if they existed, most of them would be a fenomena taking place in nano-sales or quantum reality.
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Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.08 21:20:00 -
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http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0903/RLwormhold.jpg
Yes, Apoc goes in there.
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Sirani
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.08 21:25:00 -
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only John Crichton holds the secret to stable wormhole travel
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eliminator2
Gallente
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2009.03.08 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
When doing research for Apocrypha, a lot of time was spent trying to figure out what wormholes should look like. The classic image of a wormhole as some sort of vortex on a 2-d plane sitting in space is actually incorrect, according to scientists at Tnbingen University, Germany. The four dimensional topolgy of space being bent means that you can enter the wormhole from any direction and looking through it you would see the other side. From any direction. So that's why we didn't go for the classic whirlpool funnel on a 2d plane, as wormholes are usually represented in classic Sci-Fi.
There are videos that explain it quite well on this page.
great job of bringin rl thoughts and aspects into the patch loving every bit so fare :D
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