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Jar Colnelian
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Posted - 2009.03.12 14:54:00 -
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I new am, I wanted to make some money so i buyed 20000 anti-biotics moved them 7 jumed to another region, but i only make 1568isk. Should the trade item not have a min profit fixed by ccp to encorage new traders like me? I think it would it would, oherwise i'd be better going to work on missions, but i prefar trade
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LtCom Ryback
Gordan Freeman Tech III Investment
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:03:00 -
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haha, reminds me of me a few years ago.
In eve you can trade all items, not only the trade goods from the trade category. So study the markets in different regions and you will find some good things.
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:37:00 -
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The problem with fixed profits is that it also means exploitable profits.
You might only be able to haul 20k units of anti-biotics, but other players can haul several million units with equal ease. If the profits were fixed, they would need to be too high for those with larger capacity or too low for those with smaller capacity.
Instead, the price flutuates depending on how much volume is shiped. The more that is traded the smaller the difference in price becomes. Overtime, if volumes decrease the trading margin widens.
BTW - NPC trade good prices were reset with the last expansion, just like they have been reset by every previous expansion. You happened to choose the worst possible time to buy and then sell NPC trade goods as the prices have only had two days to rebalance.
In any case, try trading in items used by players. There is a higher risk that you migh lose some ISK in the process, but there is also MUCH greater opportunity to earn ISK.
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Linda Tradition
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Posted - 2009.03.12 15:39:00 -
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trading is a snowball-princip. you start with very limited credit, but every successfull trade you increase it. nothing new so far. the first billion is the hardest.
for brandnew character trading is imo not profitable. run some missions first to get about 10m, then you can start trading. forget those npc trading goods. they are just good. when you have about 30% profit and not more then 2 jumps. unfortunatly this is npc-trading is trading with limited volume. when you filled a buyorder the prices decrease.
be aware, that you need at least about 10% profit to stay positive (you have to pay transaction fee / taxes - this can be reduced by skilltraining and standing).
you can use the sell- / buy order tool from http://www.eve-central.com/tradetool/ here you but in From: (your current region) To: (at best your current region too) then this tool shows you more or less efficient trading routes (most time for npc-trade goods). Take care this data arent real time! So convince you ingame for the shown orders before buying/selling.
good luck
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.03.12 20:48:00 -
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This isn't WOW. You're not intended to trade among NPC's. EVE has an economy like the real world and the trade then is based on selling things to players. You make money not by mindlessly moving **** from one NPC to another but rather by intelligently buying items players need and selling them to players at a markup.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.03.13 01:37:00 -
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LMAO I think we all started like you
Originally by: Linda Tradition trading is a snowball-princip. you start with very limited credit, but every successfull trade you increase it. nothing new so far. the first billion is the hardest.
for brandnew character trading is imo not profitable. run some missions first to get about 10m, then you can start trading. forget those npc trading goods. they are just good. when you have about 30% profit and not more then 2 jumps. unfortunatly this is npc-trading is trading with limited volume. when you filled a buyorder the prices decrease.
be aware, that you need at least about 10% profit to stay positive (you have to pay transaction fee / taxes - this can be reduced by skilltraining and standing).
you can use the sell- / buy order tool from http://www.eve-central.com/tradetool/ here you but in From: (your current region) To: (at best your current region too) then this tool shows you more or less efficient trading routes (most time for npc-trade goods). Take care this data arent real time! So convince you ingame for the shown orders before buying/selling.
good luck
QFT!!!1
but just a thing, the "10% thingie" is false. Let's consider worst skills: Buy order will be 1%, sell order 1%, and transaction tax another 1%.
example: you buy (by orders( stuff at 1mil --> 10k isk for broker. Then you sell order at 1.5mil --> 15k for broker. Finally someone buys it, at 1.5mil --> 15k for SCC tax.
total: 40k out of 1.5mil so this is a 2.6%. Max possible % is 3% of selling price!!! So you need to sell it at [1-(1/1.03)] = 2.912% higher than buy price!!
thanks in advance haha
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Aricaan
Gallente Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.03.13 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
This isn't WOW. You're not intended to trade among NPC's. EVE has an economy like the real world and the trade then is based on selling things to players. You make money not by mindlessly moving **** from one NPC to another but rather by intelligently buying items players need and selling them to players at a markup.
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Confuzer I
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Posted - 2009.03.13 13:02:00 -
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What is this "trade" thing I see you people talk about? Where can I buy that?
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Ulric Zorn
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Posted - 2009.03.13 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
This isn't WOW. You're not intended to trade among NPC's. EVE has an economy like the real world and the trade then is based on selling things to players. You make money not by mindlessly moving **** from one NPC to another but rather by intelligently buying items players need and selling them to players at a markup.
Have you ever contributed anything worthwhile here? One envisions you kicking a puppy as you write these inane retorts.
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Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.13 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium LMAO I think we all started like you
Ditto that. And the eve-central was valuable as well, starting out.
When hauling (buying in one system, selling in another), I started looking at how much profit I made per cubic meter, per jump. That helped me compare different routes, to find the ones that would make me the most ISK / hour.
Personally, when working buy/sell orders, I like to see a minimum of 10% net profit on my trades, after fees and taxes. So usually I'm looking for at least 15% gross profit. Otherwise, I keep looking for something else to trade in. And I look for quick turnaround, normally within a week.
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Tasko Pal
THE IRIS United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.13 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ulric Zorn
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
This isn't WOW. You're not intended to trade among NPC's. EVE has an economy like the real world and the trade then is based on selling things to players. You make money not by mindlessly moving **** from one NPC to another but rather by intelligently buying items players need and selling them to players at a markup.
Have you ever contributed anything worthwhile here? One envisions you kicking a puppy as you write these inane retorts.
I vote "kicking a puppy".
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.03.14 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Tarra
In any case, try trading in items used by players. There is a higher risk that you migh lose some ISK in the process, but there is also MUCH greater opportunity to earn ISK.
Above is probably the answer you need, check contracts (Item Exchange) and look at the ones 'Want to buy', then see if there are any priced for sale at a lower price, if so, buy and deliver. Takes a while but you will make a little profit.
Then there are courier contracts but those need to be researched as for where the shipment is to be picked up and delivered to, you'll also have to place a deposit of some isk so best to check and make sure it's in high sec space to start with and also check that delivery is to a npc station or you might find yourself not being allowed to dock and will lose your deposit.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.14 03:05:00 -
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Most useful advice: hauling is NOT trading. It's hauling. What you were doing was... hauling.
Hauling is relatively high risk and low reward.
What you want to do is trade. Go to Jita 4-4. Start browsing in-station items. Look for anything with a 10-20% difference between the highest buy order and the lowest sell order. Then check volumes to make sure a few are going to trade every hour. Put in a buy order. Once filled, put in a sell order. Repeat.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.03.14 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear What you want to do is trade. Go to Jita 4-4. Start browsing in-station items. Look for anything with a 10-20% difference between the highest buy order and the lowest sell order. Then check volumes to make sure a few are going to trade every hour. Put in a buy order. Once filled, put in a sell order. Repeat.
You left out the part where you actually make two to three orders for the same item and camp them 23/7 to prevent them from being undercut.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.03.14 07:06:00 -
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It's time for another exciting round of guess that trolling-alt's main!
Today we have a cantankerous little alt who has a special penchant for attacking regulars. Here's his work,
To Kwint,
Originally by: Ulric Zorn Have you ever contributed anything worthwhile here? One envisions you kicking a puppy as you write these inane retorts.
To Cosmoray,
Originally by: Ulric Zorn You questioning character. I LOL'd.
To Brock,
Originally by: Ulric Zorn I'm new (or, am I). What have you contributed to this world besides smart*** remarks. Here is your chance to shine. Take advantage of it.
To the general body of MD,
Originally by: Ulric Zorn What a miserable collection of insecure shut-ins that troll these forums. Is it truly possible to have one thread with a legitimate response and not some snarky d-bag comments ripping a poster?
Considering how starved most of you are for attention I could almost see the non-stop flaming if there were a message count you could point to with pride. But no, just being able to pick and prod is sufficient. You feel that your avatar is well positioned to demonstrated an 'earned' level of arrogance but it truly is little more than pathetic.
The microwave just dinged. Go get your Hot Pocket.
And finally, we have this little tidbit,
Originally by: Ulric Zorn I don't make a living from Second Life but make enough from building and land sales that it is a line item each year on my return. There are several people clearing six figures in Second Life and it has drawn more attention from Uncle Sweetheart than other MMO's. The EU doesn't seem to care except to tax subscriptions and region purchases.
Alright gentlemen, the clues are out. Now, ID that troll!
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