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Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 02:39:00 - [1] Megathron & Dominix versus a bunch of cruisers - who wins ? How many cruiser could a Megathron & Dominix take at a time and survive assuming the cruisers are piloted by nOObs who have been in EVE in 07-01-04 ? Just curious...
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 02:39:00 - [2] Megathron & Dominix versus a bunch of cruisers - who wins ? How many cruiser could a Megathron & Dominix take at a time and survive assuming the cruisers are piloted by nOObs who have been in EVE in 07-01-04 ? Just curious...
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 02:39:00 - [3] Megathron & Dominix versus a bunch of cruisers - who wins ? How many cruiser could a Megathron & Dominix take at a time and survive assuming the cruisers are piloted by nOObs who have been in EVE in 07-01-04 ? Just curious...
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 03:00:00 - [4] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: Joke Off Megathron & Dominix versus a bunch of cruisers - who wins ? How many cruiser could a Megathron & Dominix take at a time and survive assuming the cruisers are piloted by nOObs who have been in EVE in 07-01-04 ? Just curious... You are asking this sh1te and calling someone else a noob in the same sentense .. Who would pwnz0riz3 if Daredevil and Batman were against Optimus Prime, Captain Planet and the teletubbies? Your point being ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 03:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: Joke Off Megathron & Dominix versus a bunch of cruisers - who wins ? How many cruiser could a Megathron & Dominix take at a time and survive assuming the cruisers are piloted by nOObs who have been in EVE in 07-01-04 ? Just curious... You are asking this sh1te and calling someone else a noob in the same sentense .. Who would pwnz0riz3 if Daredevil and Batman were against Optimus Prime, Captain Planet and the teletubbies? Your point being ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 03:00:00 - [6] Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: Joke Off Megathron & Dominix versus a bunch of cruisers - who wins ? How many cruiser could a Megathron & Dominix take at a time and survive assuming the cruisers are piloted by nOObs who have been in EVE in 07-01-04 ? Just curious... You are asking this sh1te and calling someone else a noob in the same sentense .. Who would pwnz0riz3 if Daredevil and Batman were against Optimus Prime, Captain Planet and the teletubbies? Your point being ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 03:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Mimiru there are so many trillions of different setups and situations that deciding who would win is an impossibility. Okay, I am sorry - let me fill in some details... Megathron: Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 9 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 2x Hammerhead 7x Praetor 2x Ogre Hi 5x 425mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Cruise Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise 1x Siege Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise and Torps 1x Notos Med SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x V-M15 Hardener 2x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Regeriative Membrane I 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Dominix Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 11 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 8x Beserkers 3x Ogre Hi 5x 350mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Med Rudimentary SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x Tracking Computer II 3x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 2x PDU II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Cruisers Thorax with no Heavy Combat Drones and no MWD Caracal with heavy missiles NO EW ships at all to speak of I am just wondering how many Cruisers piloted by pilots with 6 weeks of skill pts the Mega and Dom can take without being in any real danger. Can anyone suggest any alternate Mega/Dom setups that would be more effective against a bunch of Cruisers piloted by peeps with 6 weeks of skills ? Just trying to learn something before we saddle-up and go hammer on some peeps in-game - don't worry this is a declared war... just playing the game ya know. Thx.
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 03:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Mimiru there are so many trillions of different setups and situations that deciding who would win is an impossibility. Okay, I am sorry - let me fill in some details... Megathron: Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 9 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 2x Hammerhead 7x Praetor 2x Ogre Hi 5x 425mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Cruise Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise 1x Siege Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise and Torps 1x Notos Med SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x V-M15 Hardener 2x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Regeriative Membrane I 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Dominix Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 11 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 8x Beserkers 3x Ogre Hi 5x 350mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Med Rudimentary SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x Tracking Computer II 3x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 2x PDU II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Cruisers Thorax with no Heavy Combat Drones and no MWD Caracal with heavy missiles NO EW ships at all to speak of I am just wondering how many Cruisers piloted by pilots with 6 weeks of skill pts the Mega and Dom can take without being in any real danger. Can anyone suggest any alternate Mega/Dom setups that would be more effective against a bunch of Cruisers piloted by peeps with 6 weeks of skills ? Just trying to learn something before we saddle-up and go hammer on some peeps in-game - don't worry this is a declared war... just playing the game ya know. Thx.
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 03:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Mimiru there are so many trillions of different setups and situations that deciding who would win is an impossibility. Okay, I am sorry - let me fill in some details... Megathron: Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 9 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 2x Hammerhead 7x Praetor 2x Ogre Hi 5x 425mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Cruise Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise 1x Siege Launcher with Cruise Missiles and F.O.F. Cruise and Torps 1x Notos Med SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x V-M15 Hardener 2x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Regeriative Membrane I 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Dominix Drones (Pilot has skills to handle 11 drones L3 Heavy Drone Op) 8x Beserkers 3x Ogre Hi 5x 350mm Rails with Antimatter 1x Med Rudimentary SB Med 1x 100MN MWD 1x Tracking Computer II 3x Cap Recharger II Lo 1x Med Armor Repairer II 1x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I 1x Co-Processor II 2x PDU II 1x Tracking Enhancer II 1x Magnetic Field Stab II Cruisers Thorax with no Heavy Combat Drones and no MWD Caracal with heavy missiles NO EW ships at all to speak of I am just wondering how many Cruisers piloted by pilots with 6 weeks of skill pts the Mega and Dom can take without being in any real danger. Can anyone suggest any alternate Mega/Dom setups that would be more effective against a bunch of Cruisers piloted by peeps with 6 weeks of skills ? Just trying to learn something before we saddle-up and go hammer on some peeps in-game - don't worry this is a declared war... just playing the game ya know. Thx.
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 04:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Mimiru Edited by: Mimiru on 16/08/2004 04:04:40 As long as the cruisers have no EW the BS should own. The only problem i could see would be if there were like 6 of the caracals all spamming heavy missiles. They could, prehaps, manage to down 1 bs before they died. Or a lot of blasterraxes, though since you said the raxs wouldnt have mwds this wouldnt be that much of a problem. Alternative setup for the dom could be 6 hvy nos, web, warp, mwd, armor tanked. Might want to give the thron a mid slot tracking comp II and drop the mwd, drop the named invuln field, no enrgized plates, use armor hardeners, use large rep and tech 2 med. Okay this is good feedback. When you say "use armor hardeners" are you referring to med slot armor hardeners ? Cuz I thought the Adaptive Nano Membrane with 15% resists to armor would do the trick in a Lo slot. I was thinking about slapping in a Large Energy Transfer Array and Large Shield Transfer in Hi slots instead of 2 Heavy Nos's to pump some shields and cap into the Megathron during battle and then let the Dom's 11 heavy drones do the talking for the Dom. Armor tanking the Dom would involve using Large Armor Rep and Med Armor Rep II in Lo slots, right ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 04:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Mimiru Edited by: Mimiru on 16/08/2004 04:04:40 As long as the cruisers have no EW the BS should own. The only problem i could see would be if there were like 6 of the caracals all spamming heavy missiles. They could, prehaps, manage to down 1 bs before they died. Or a lot of blasterraxes, though since you said the raxs wouldnt have mwds this wouldnt be that much of a problem. Alternative setup for the dom could be 6 hvy nos, web, warp, mwd, armor tanked. Might want to give the thron a mid slot tracking comp II and drop the mwd, drop the named invuln field, no enrgized plates, use armor hardeners, use large rep and tech 2 med. Okay this is good feedback. When you say "use armor hardeners" are you referring to med slot armor hardeners ? Cuz I thought the Adaptive Nano Membrane with 15% resists to armor would do the trick in a Lo slot. I was thinking about slapping in a Large Energy Transfer Array and Large Shield Transfer in Hi slots instead of 2 Heavy Nos's to pump some shields and cap into the Megathron during battle and then let the Dom's 11 heavy drones do the talking for the Dom. Armor tanking the Dom would involve using Large Armor Rep and Med Armor Rep II in Lo slots, right ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 04:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Mimiru Edited by: Mimiru on 16/08/2004 04:04:40 As long as the cruisers have no EW the BS should own. The only problem i could see would be if there were like 6 of the caracals all spamming heavy missiles. They could, prehaps, manage to down 1 bs before they died. Or a lot of blasterraxes, though since you said the raxs wouldnt have mwds this wouldnt be that much of a problem. Alternative setup for the dom could be 6 hvy nos, web, warp, mwd, armor tanked. Might want to give the thron a mid slot tracking comp II and drop the mwd, drop the named invuln field, no enrgized plates, use armor hardeners, use large rep and tech 2 med. Okay this is good feedback. When you say "use armor hardeners" are you referring to med slot armor hardeners ? Cuz I thought the Adaptive Nano Membrane with 15% resists to armor would do the trick in a Lo slot. I was thinking about slapping in a Large Energy Transfer Array and Large Shield Transfer in Hi slots instead of 2 Heavy Nos's to pump some shields and cap into the Megathron during battle and then let the Dom's 11 heavy drones do the talking for the Dom. Armor tanking the Dom would involve using Large Armor Rep and Med Armor Rep II in Lo slots, right ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 06:16:00 - [13] Finally some good feedback from some helpful folk - thanks. So getting back to the idea of using the Dom to transfer energy and shields to the megathron by using 4 heavy nos and 1 Large energy transfer array and 1 Large shield transfer. I was thinking this could allow the Dom to be used as a support ship for the Megathron assuming the Dom was also fitted with webber and warp scrambler. Has anyone tried doing this during combat ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 06:16:00 - [14] Finally some good feedback from some helpful folk - thanks. So getting back to the idea of using the Dom to transfer energy and shields to the megathron by using 4 heavy nos and 1 Large energy transfer array and 1 Large shield transfer. I was thinking this could allow the Dom to be used as a support ship for the Megathron assuming the Dom was also fitted with webber and warp scrambler. Has anyone tried doing this during combat ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 06:16:00 - [15] Finally some good feedback from some helpful folk - thanks. So getting back to the idea of using the Dom to transfer energy and shields to the megathron by using 4 heavy nos and 1 Large energy transfer array and 1 Large shield transfer. I was thinking this could allow the Dom to be used as a support ship for the Megathron assuming the Dom was also fitted with webber and warp scrambler. Has anyone tried doing this during combat ?
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 08:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Sun Sliver welcome to forums Joke, 90% 'R U N N00B 1D10T!', 10% useful. My opinion, 5-6 cruisers pwn a bs. y? all it takes is 1 blackbird with target disruptors and bye bye bs. On the mega going armour tank instead of dmg dealer - the safe way i agree is armour tank, but a properly fitted dmg dealing Mega (that isnt being severly target disrupted or dampened) can dispatch a bs very quickly, ie cruiser go bye bye in under a minute easy, but there in lies the great question - to go suicide dmg dealer or armour tanker. I'd go dmg dealer and if disrupted get out asap, ps fit a mwd You're not having a bad day are you ? Hope not... thx.
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 08:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Sun Sliver welcome to forums Joke, 90% 'R U N N00B 1D10T!', 10% useful. My opinion, 5-6 cruisers pwn a bs. y? all it takes is 1 blackbird with target disruptors and bye bye bs. On the mega going armour tank instead of dmg dealer - the safe way i agree is armour tank, but a properly fitted dmg dealing Mega (that isnt being severly target disrupted or dampened) can dispatch a bs very quickly, ie cruiser go bye bye in under a minute easy, but there in lies the great question - to go suicide dmg dealer or armour tanker. I'd go dmg dealer and if disrupted get out asap, ps fit a mwd You're not having a bad day are you ? Hope not... thx.
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 08:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Sun Sliver welcome to forums Joke, 90% 'R U N N00B 1D10T!', 10% useful. My opinion, 5-6 cruisers pwn a bs. y? all it takes is 1 blackbird with target disruptors and bye bye bs. On the mega going armour tank instead of dmg dealer - the safe way i agree is armour tank, but a properly fitted dmg dealing Mega (that isnt being severly target disrupted or dampened) can dispatch a bs very quickly, ie cruiser go bye bye in under a minute easy, but there in lies the great question - to go suicide dmg dealer or armour tanker. I'd go dmg dealer and if disrupted get out asap, ps fit a mwd You're not having a bad day are you ? Hope not... thx.
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 14:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Mid Slots Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Who would pwnz0riz3 if Daredevil and Batman were against Optimus Prime, Captain Planet and the teletubbies? Originally by: Joke Off NO EW ships at all to speak of If they did show up with just a couple EW cruisers and you didn't have your drones out then the cruisers would easily win. Blackbirds (with easy to train EW skills) and caracals (with easy to train missile skills) are an alt/war corps best friends. Well I did try a test on Chaos with a BB setup for EW (see below) jamming a Megathron not setup for ECCM and yes the Mega could not target drones however after some minutes the Mega launched the drones and the BB with full EW pointed at the Mega was still attacked by drones who went aggro on the BB not when the BB was firing with beams but when BB turned Nos's back on after the Nos's apparently cycled off since they were running for quite some time. BB setup for EW Hi 2x Heavy Modulated Beams with Multifreq xtals 2x Med Nos's Med 1x MWD 1x each Racial ECM 1x Spatial Destabilizer (in case of Scorpion not setup for ECCM) Lo 2x RCU II BTW - This BB setup was able to jam the Mega with -14 for Gallente ships so the Mega with one ECCM in a Mid slot would have been safe - this was a test. The Mega had F.O.F. cruise missiles which even with the latest missile nerf the BB lost shields after 6-8 volleys and then lost armor 3-4 volleys later but the BB was UNABLE to kill the Mega before the Mega would have killed the BB. Yes I realize this was a 1v1 test and in real combat the goal is to jam one ship at a time (when killing BS's) then have all attackers fire on that jammed ship even though only the EW attacker is protected from being targeted. Assuming there were 3 cruisers doing the attacking (Caracal, Thorax and BB doing EW) and the Thorax didn't have heavy combat drones but the Mega was setup to handle the Kinetic dmg from the Caracal (Armor tanking) the 9 heavy drones from the Mega could still attack the Caracal and Thorax unless the Caracal and Thorax stayed 50km away (outside drone range) but then the Mega could have opened up with 425's on both the Caracal and Thorax - assume none of these cruiser had MWD's which means they're not moving too fast... I think the solo Mega without the Dom's help could take 3 cruisers as mentioned here even with one BB doing EW (see above). Anyway the folks in the cruisers didn't seem to know what heavy combat drones were cuz when a solo Amarr frigate pilot scouted them out they were unable or unwilling to kill the Amarri friggy even though they had the home system advantage and enough peeps in cruisers to camp the gates (had they done it right).
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 14:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Mid Slots Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Who would pwnz0riz3 if Daredevil and Batman were against Optimus Prime, Captain Planet and the teletubbies? Originally by: Joke Off NO EW ships at all to speak of If they did show up with just a couple EW cruisers and you didn't have your drones out then the cruisers would easily win. Blackbirds (with easy to train EW skills) and caracals (with easy to train missile skills) are an alt/war corps best friends. Well I did try a test on Chaos with a BB setup for EW (see below) jamming a Megathron not setup for ECCM and yes the Mega could not target drones however after some minutes the Mega launched the drones and the BB with full EW pointed at the Mega was still attacked by drones who went aggro on the BB not when the BB was firing with beams but when BB turned Nos's back on after the Nos's apparently cycled off since they were running for quite some time. BB setup for EW Hi 2x Heavy Modulated Beams with Multifreq xtals 2x Med Nos's Med 1x MWD 1x each Racial ECM 1x Spatial Destabilizer (in case of Scorpion not setup for ECCM) Lo 2x RCU II BTW - This BB setup was able to jam the Mega with -14 for Gallente ships so the Mega with one ECCM in a Mid slot would have been safe - this was a test. The Mega had F.O.F. cruise missiles which even with the latest missile nerf the BB lost shields after 6-8 volleys and then lost armor 3-4 volleys later but the BB was UNABLE to kill the Mega before the Mega would have killed the BB. Yes I realize this was a 1v1 test and in real combat the goal is to jam one ship at a time (when killing BS's) then have all attackers fire on that jammed ship even though only the EW attacker is protected from being targeted. Assuming there were 3 cruisers doing the attacking (Caracal, Thorax and BB doing EW) and the Thorax didn't have heavy combat drones but the Mega was setup to handle the Kinetic dmg from the Caracal (Armor tanking) the 9 heavy drones from the Mega could still attack the Caracal and Thorax unless the Caracal and Thorax stayed 50km away (outside drone range) but then the Mega could have opened up with 425's on both the Caracal and Thorax - assume none of these cruiser had MWD's which means they're not moving too fast... I think the solo Mega without the Dom's help could take 3 cruisers as mentioned here even with one BB doing EW (see above). Anyway the folks in the cruisers didn't seem to know what heavy combat drones were cuz when a solo Amarr frigate pilot scouted them out they were unable or unwilling to kill the Amarri friggy even though they had the home system advantage and enough peeps in cruisers to camp the gates (had they done it right).
Joke Off	Posted - 2004.08.16 14:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Mid Slots Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Who would pwnz0riz3 if Daredevil and Batman were against Optimus Prime, Captain Planet and the teletubbies? Originally by: Joke Off NO EW ships at all to speak of If they did show up with just a couple EW cruisers and you didn't have your drones out then the cruisers would easily win. Blackbirds (with easy to train EW skills) and caracals (with easy to train missile skills) are an alt/war corps best friends. Well I did try a test on Chaos with a BB setup for EW (see below) jamming a Megathron not setup for ECCM and yes the Mega could not target drones however after some minutes the Mega launched the drones and the BB with full EW pointed at the Mega was still attacked by drones who went aggro on the BB not when the BB was firing with beams but when BB turned Nos's back on after the Nos's apparently cycled off since they were running for quite some time. BB setup for EW Hi 2x Heavy Modulated Beams with Multifreq xtals 2x Med Nos's Med 1x MWD 1x each Racial ECM 1x Spatial Destabilizer (in case of Scorpion not setup for ECCM) Lo 2x RCU II BTW - This BB setup was able to jam the Mega with -14 for Gallente ships so the Mega with one ECCM in a Mid slot would have been safe - this was a test. The Mega had F.O.F. cruise missiles which even with the latest missile nerf the BB lost shields after 6-8 volleys and then lost armor 3-4 volleys later but the BB was UNABLE to kill the Mega before the Mega would have killed the BB. Yes I realize this was a 1v1 test and in real combat the goal is to jam one ship at a time (when killing BS's) then have all attackers fire on that jammed ship even though only the EW attacker is protected from being targeted. Assuming there were 3 cruisers doing the attacking (Caracal, Thorax and BB doing EW) and the Thorax didn't have heavy combat drones but the Mega was setup to handle the Kinetic dmg from the Caracal (Armor tanking) the 9 heavy drones from the Mega could still attack the Caracal and Thorax unless the Caracal and Thorax stayed 50km away (outside drone range) but then the Mega could have opened up with 425's on both the Caracal and Thorax - assume none of these cruiser had MWD's which means they're not moving too fast... I think the solo Mega without the Dom's help could take 3 cruisers as mentioned here even with one BB doing EW (see above). Anyway the folks in the cruisers didn't seem to know what heavy combat drones were cuz when a solo Amarr frigate pilot scouted them out they were unable or unwilling to kill the Amarri friggy even though they had the home system advantage and enough peeps in cruisers to camp the gates (had they done it right).

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