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Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.04.29 03:52:00 -
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One of my adventures in deep sov null sec, I had a rat drop a ashimu bpc. At first I was like cashinga, sell fat lootz.
But then.
I started looking at what the ship can actually do. Interestingly 100 bonus to lazor turret output, doubling from three lazors to six. Not too shabby.
Amar cruiser 15% to energy vamp and energy neuts per level.
Minmatar cruiser skill bonus is 10% to the velocity of statis web. Minnie cruiser I have it at 5, so does this translate to actual numbers.
My skill for this ship are:
Amar cruiser 4, minmatar cuiser 5,
Should this ship be plated or resisted? Im inclining more towards resisted instead of plated. I lack laser skills so it would be t1 for me in that department.
Is this a good ship for pvp?
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Alexa Coates
The Scope
Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:00:00 -
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this is a great ship, it can suck people dry, and give them some nice laser surgery. Fantastic ship overall, if a bit lacking in tank.
Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:02:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:this is a great ship, it can suck people dry, and give them some nice laser surgery. Fantastic ship overall, if a bit lacking in tank.
Do you know if its usually primaried due its bling factor? |
Alexa Coates
The Scope
Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.04.29 04:07:00 -
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Jason McCoy wrote:Alexa Coates wrote:this is a great ship, it can suck people dry, and give them some nice laser surgery. Fantastic ship overall, if a bit lacking in tank. Do you know if its usually primaried due its bling factor?
yep. summed up pretty well.
Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
413
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Posted - 2012.04.29 05:52:00 -
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Jason McCoy wrote:Should this ship be plated or resisted?
Both.
Quote:Is this a good ship for pvp?
It has a niche. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
616
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Posted - 2012.04.29 05:53:00 -
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Think of the Ashimmu as a non-cloaky Pilgrim that can bring people to a standstill (making it an awesome gatecamper).
[Ashimmu - Bloodied Spear]
[Highs]
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II (Scorch)
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II (Scorch)
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II (Scorch)
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
[Mids]
Medium Cap Booster II (400)
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Disruptor II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
[Lows]
Damage Control II
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
[Rigs]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
[Drones]
2x Hornet EC-300
Notes:
- With Minmitar Cruiser 5 it can reduce the velocity of the target ship by 90%
- With Amarr Cruiser 5 it can neutralize 945 capacitor from your target... that means you can cap out most cruisers in one cycle and most battlecruisers in two.
- Yes, I know the DPS on my fit here is anemic. You can alter things to squeeze out a bit more DPS... but remember than this is a "shiny ship" (you are likely to be shot at FIRST) and that your primary role is not to deal damage but to make sure people cannot escape.
- If you REALLY want to be cheap, T2 equipment is mostly fine. But the Fed Navy Web is a MUST. Having that extra 4km of webbing distance allows you to pin down targets that stay just beyond normal web-scram range and utilize the Ashimmu's strengths much better.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
OninoTimmo
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
67
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Posted - 2012.04.29 05:57:00 -
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I, too, would take advice from a guy who triple EANMs his ships. |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
639
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Posted - 2012.04.29 06:00:00 -
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Dont forget its cool looks!
Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Dibblerette
The Phantom Regiment
The House Of Cards.
59
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Posted - 2012.04.29 06:02:00 -
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From my EFTing, it has difficulty doing good DPS while remaining somewhat tanky and using all bonuses.
Honestly, the best faction cruiser is the Cynabal, so if you want to invest a nice cruiser, that's your best bet. |
GenesisMike
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.04.29 07:49:00 -
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I love my Ashimmu,
Really its a beast as a tackler on anything. Like others have said soloing other cap dependent ships (Amarr) it is insanely useful with the neuting, but in general I woudln't recommend trying to solo things bigger than a cruiser as it has tank limitations. However if you are trying to grab some AF's/Dessies or other cruisers you can comfortably give it a try and have the neuting ability to break their point if you are not seeing favorable results from the fight.
Just remember people will go to stupid lengths to kill a faction ship worth 100m+ so be ready for a blob.
Mike |
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Jack Miton
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
220
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:46:00 -
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Ashimmu looks cool but it's pretty meh.
Not worth forking out the extra ISK for over a zealot or pilgrim ect. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid
Iron Oxide.
149
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Posted - 2012.04.29 10:52:00 -
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Ashimmu is a really fun ship, ignore the turrets generally as they provide trivial dps in a gang situation. It is possibly to fly solo but its probably not worth it for the attention it gets especially as it wont be killing anything particularly fast.
There are 2 ways to go with the ship in my opinion.
Focus on webs, for capital assistance and such. Fit 2 X 1600 plates and as much tank as possible, 2 FN webs and the rest doesn't really matter. You provide your gang with 99% web and the resilience to stay alive. Can achieve >120k eHP in gang.
Focus on resist. If you are flying with guardians 4 X specific hardeners and a plate, should have the eHP to last till reps land and enough resist to soak damage. Probably a greater emphasis on neuting with this fit as well as the FN web. You run down critical hostile ships and wreak havoc with hostile capacitor.
Remote sensor boosted and loki linked not much makes it back to gate with an ashimmu on field. |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.04.29 13:55:00 -
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Or you can fit a large neut on it and kill a vagabond cap instantly :P
[Ashimmu, large neut]
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
'Moat' Heavy Energy Neutralizer I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I |
Lunkwill Khashour
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:02:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:Or you can fit a large neut on it and kill a vagabond cap instantly :P
[Ashimmu, large neut]
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Warp Disruptor II
Stasis Webifier II
ECM - Phase Inverter II
'Moat' Heavy Energy Neutralizer I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
The Curse does this better as it also gets a range bonus. Helps with capping those Falcons.
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Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:40:00 -
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For those who are saying dont fork out the extra isk, please read my initial post. I acquired a bpc from a battlship wreck from a scanned combat site (cant remember the proper name)
Good post good reads.
I can either invest 11M to get the minerals to build, or contract the bpc and cash in, or I can build and sell it at a 1~2M isk loss. |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
240
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:43:00 -
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Jason McCoy wrote:For those who are saying dont fork out the extra isk, please read my initial post. I acquired a bpc from a battlship wreck from a scanned combat site (cant remember the proper name)
Good post good reads.
I can either invest 11M to get the minerals to build, or contract the bpc and cash in, or I can build and sell it at a 1~2M isk loss.
Rule #1 in isk, just because you found/farmed it doesnt make it free. You can still convert it to a nice amount of isk. |
Jason McCoy
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.04.29 15:52:00 -
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Nalha Saldana wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:For those who are saying dont fork out the extra isk, please read my initial post. I acquired a bpc from a battlship wreck from a scanned combat site (cant remember the proper name)
Good post good reads.
I can either invest 11M to get the minerals to build, or contract the bpc and cash in, or I can build and sell it at a 1~2M isk loss. Rule #1 in isk, just because you found/farmed it doesnt make it free. You can still convert it to a nice amount of isk. Absolutely you are correct.
Thats the reason behind this thread, I was either going to build and fly it in pvp or just sell off the bpc.
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Reppyk
The Black Shell
117
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Posted - 2012.04.29 16:37:00 -
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High slots : 6 neutras, faction if you have the isks
Med slots : mwd, cap booster, 2 webs (faction)
Low slots : 1600, dc, EANM, 2 hardeners
Rigs : egress/ancillary/trimark
Drones : who cares
An excellent support ship.
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Garnoo
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.04.30 10:26:00 -
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no range bonus for neuts is very iritating (like in pilgrim :( )
People are going to try to ruin your day. Get together with others, ruin their day back - this is EvE |
Mr Floydy
The Xenodus Initiative.
17
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Posted - 2012.04.30 13:22:00 -
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Ashimmu wouldn't make much sense with a range bonus on the neuts unless they were to change the web bonus too though. More interesting how it is imo ;) |
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
172
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:37:00 -
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sell it get a amarr recon, a minmatar recon and a cruor. as the ashie is like these ships but coast more than all 3 and is worse than all 3 at there jobs
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Stonecold Steve
I N E X T R E M I S
Fidelas Constans
56
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Posted - 2012.05.01 08:39:00 -
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In regards to the "fun" factor the Ashimmu is not the number 1. I find both the Curse and the Pilgrim a better choice. For the following reasons:
Price/Effeciency (curse/pilgrim)
Suprise effect (pilgrim)
drones dmg over lasers (pilgrim)
range on neuts (curse)
minus:
The web factor, its pretty awesome.
Other cruisers excel at solo pvp or small gang.
But if you want to fly something not twelve a dosin i recommend you give the Ashimmu a try. I liked it, but with T2 fitting you ain't getting the whole package. Go faction on it for a bit (scram/web) and you will find lowsec THAT more soloable and fun. Do note that the scan ress is low, which means you will not tackle frigates/cloaky's if they don't **** up.
Anyway, i would still pick a Pilgrim. Cloak is so handy to have when hunting.
GÇ£Quod licet Iovi non licet boviGÇ¥- Gods may do what cattle may not."-á- |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
172
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Posted - 2012.05.01 09:02:00 -
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I like the cruor better than the ash. The problem with it is that it gives you nothing that can't do any thing better than other ships in its class. The cruor and belighorn do how ever provide unique advantages.
But there is still 2 things i haven't tryed out with an ashie, 1) all NOS and duel rep's, and 2) a no gun load out.
1) its little brother the Cruor can be made in to one hell of a fast locking ultra heavy tackler, with NOS and duel rep rigs for lock time and some ok skills i can run all the mods at 2% cap stable  witch make the NOS eat cap. Don't know if that will work yet on the ashie tho most likely not as its scann res and speed are real low
2)I guess on paper it will nuet harder than a cures just bearly with max skills and all nuets/nuet drones. but then it has to get to 10k to do it. Its just not like the bell which has the advantage of being the only ship that can use and bonus large nuet's
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Kakaka Bukandara
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.05.01 12:20:00 -
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Set up a sell order for the Ashimmu if you make it: don't fill the buy orders that are on market as they are intentionally set low to profit from people selling items without researching.
Also, set up the sell order in a highsec station, as long as it's in the same region as a trade hub. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
883
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:26:00 -
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Like the Cruor, the Ashimmu is a great ship on paper, but suffers due to the fact it draws fire like a boss because of its price tag. It being a heavy armor tanker doesn't really help much with survivability.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
Villore Accords
173
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:05:00 -
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Well for me at least the Cruor has proven to work very well. Its only real glaring flaw is its DPS. But in the roll of tackle I only fear top tier DPS friggs and some dessie's. And from what I've seen it's size Gives it the edge, and edge the ashie dose not have....
On the other hand I've only ever seen ashie's die and have never really worry one I see one on the field.
I often wonder if if the Ashie would be better served with doth of its bonuses as range and moving its stats to trying to favor kiting. It would then be Crour-+webb/+Nuet, Ashie range-webb/range-nuet, Bell range-webb/ +nuet. Giving you more of a spread with in the multi Ewar/suppression roll.
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
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