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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.08.17 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: NTRabbit on 17/08/2004 12:57:19
Am i the only one who sees how badly the caldari got shafted again? Our 2 assaults are supposed to be shield tanks, fine thats what i would expect - but they are then given only 2 low slots to pick up the measly cap recharge rate, and resistance bonuses which make more sense to armour tankers rather than shield tankers?! Not to mention the small capacitor, armour and hull lower than even that of the minmatar, the largest sig radius, and a second ship (Hawk) which is just a cut down and worthless version of the Harpy, exactly the same as the Raptor is a cutdown Crow.
Seriously, i was expecting these ships to have their ups and downs, but the Caldari really got the short end of the stick yet again 
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.08.17 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: NTRabbit on 17/08/2004 12:57:19
Am i the only one who sees how badly the caldari got shafted again? Our 2 assaults are supposed to be shield tanks, fine thats what i would expect - but they are then given only 2 low slots to pick up the measly cap recharge rate, and resistance bonuses which make more sense to armour tankers rather than shield tankers?! Not to mention the small capacitor, armour and hull lower than even that of the minmatar, the largest sig radius, and a second ship (Hawk) which is just a cut down and worthless version of the Harpy, exactly the same as the Raptor is a cutdown Crow.
Seriously, i was expecting these ships to have their ups and downs, but the Caldari really got the short end of the stick yet again
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Denyerec
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Posted - 2004.08.17 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Denyerec on 17/08/2004 12:59:54
Caldari are, if you believe the backstories and roleplay bunf, supposed to have the high-tech sensors and the whizz-bang radars etc.
NT makes a valid point, are the caldari Ass Frigates designed as such (Bottom of the pile according to NT's info) because the Caldari are a missile-type race and should be discouraged subtly from engaging with turretty weapons? Do we draw from this that the Caldari bombers will be "uber"?
I'm hungry.
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Denyerec
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Posted - 2004.08.17 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Denyerec on 17/08/2004 12:59:54
Caldari are, if you believe the backstories and roleplay bunf, supposed to have the high-tech sensors and the whizz-bang radars etc.
NT makes a valid point, are the caldari Ass Frigates designed as such (Bottom of the pile according to NT's info) because the Caldari are a missile-type race and should be discouraged subtly from engaging with turretty weapons? Do we draw from this that the Caldari bombers will be "uber"?
I'm hungry.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.08.17 13:00:00 -
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The Retribution. 5/1/5. Im getting one.
Sorry about that, back to topic ;)
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.08.17 13:00:00 -
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The Retribution. 5/1/5. Im getting one.
Sorry about that, back to topic ;)
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Drilla
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Posted - 2004.08.17 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Drilla on 17/08/2004 13:07:44
Yes, the bomber will be crazy - it's a 5 launcher kestrel with mad damage/range/rate bonus.
You can always check out EVEDBO for the details.
Direct link to the bomber with a 5/4/3 fitting (highslots = all launchers).
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Drilla
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Posted - 2004.08.17 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: Drilla on 17/08/2004 13:07:44
Yes, the bomber will be crazy - it's a 5 launcher kestrel with mad damage/range/rate bonus.
You can always check out EVEDBO for the details.
Direct link to the bomber with a 5/4/3 fitting (highslots = all launchers).
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*** pure moinage ***
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.08.17 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: NTRabbit on 17/08/2004 13:05:42
 Originally by: Drilla
Yes, the bomber will be crazy - it's a 5 launcher kestrel with mad damage/range/rate bonus.
You can always check out EVEDBO for the details.
But the bombers will be firing bombs last time i checked, not missiles. You can see a couple of them on the market if you use the search function.
Not to mention the fact that *none* of the stats on EVE-DB for unreleased 'elites' are final or even accurate.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.08.17 13:03:00 -
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Edited by: NTRabbit on 17/08/2004 13:05:42
Originally by: Drilla
Yes, the bomber will be crazy - it's a 5 launcher kestrel with mad damage/range/rate bonus.
You can always check out EVEDBO for the details.
But the bombers will be firing bombs last time i checked, not missiles. You can see a couple of them on the market if you use the search function.
Not to mention the fact that *none* of the stats on EVE-DB for unreleased 'elites' are final or even accurate.
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.08.17 13:07:00 -
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Yeah caldari Assaults are pants for doing the same role as the other gunships, I expect alot of ppl will rig them with dual mwd web + scram and use them to munch inties though.
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.08.17 13:07:00 -
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Yeah caldari Assaults are pants for doing the same role as the other gunships, I expect alot of ppl will rig them with dual mwd web + scram and use them to munch inties though.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.08.17 14:16:00 -
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Harpy can use all 5 highslots with good offensive weps, whats so bad with that?
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2004.08.17 14:16:00 -
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Harpy can use all 5 highslots with good offensive weps, whats so bad with that?
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.17 14:27:00 -
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personally i think they look pretty good. They have the shield of some lesser cruisers for gods sake and more turret hard points! What more do u want from a frigate? These things are gonna kick the a$$ of any frig, including intys, and the caldari ones are great. Seen the bonus? 25% to optimal range + 10% per lvl of assault skill. Get that 2 lvl4 and u got a 65% range increase on guns that shred frigates to pieces.
Do not doubt them until they are being flown. I personally think these will replace inty's in solo'ing in a frig.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2004.08.17 14:27:00 -
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personally i think they look pretty good. They have the shield of some lesser cruisers for gods sake and more turret hard points! What more do u want from a frigate? These things are gonna kick the a$$ of any frig, including intys, and the caldari ones are great. Seen the bonus? 25% to optimal range + 10% per lvl of assault skill. Get that 2 lvl4 and u got a 65% range increase on guns that shred frigates to pieces.
Do not doubt them until they are being flown. I personally think these will replace inty's in solo'ing in a frig.
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Kleric
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Posted - 2004.08.17 14:57:00 -
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WTB: enyo, will pay a lot 
4 neutron blasters with 25% dmg bonus 
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Kleric
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Posted - 2004.08.17 14:57:00 -
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WTB: enyo, will pay a lot
4 neutron blasters with 25% dmg bonus
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.08.17 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Harpy can use all 5 highslots with good offensive weps, whats so bad with that?
Harpy isnt the only one that can use all 5 high slots with offensive weapons, the Retribution, Enyon and Wolf can all do so and still have a lot more defensive depth.
Originally by: Eyeshadow
personally i think they look pretty good. They have the shield of some lesser cruisers for gods sake and more turret hard points! What more do u want from a frigate? These things are gonna kick the a$$ of any frig, including intys, and the caldari ones are great. Seen the bonus? 25% to optimal range + 10% per lvl of assault skill. Get that 2 lvl4 and u got a 65% range increase on guns that shred frigates to pieces.
Do not doubt them until they are being flown. I personally think these will replace inty's in solo'ing in a frig.
I want the caldari assault to be able to perform on par with the other assault frigates. Woopy doo, they have ~600 base shields - they also have no cap and a poor cap recharge rate, which makes tanking a near impossibility, which can only be made possible by fitting all 2 low slots with cap relays, which then gimps the shield boosting part of the tank anyway.
A range bonus is fine, but a range bonus to a weapon with an existing base of 12km and already poor tracking isnt worth nearly as much as you make it out to be.
These caldari assaults will kick the ass of nothing.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2004.08.17 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Harpy can use all 5 highslots with good offensive weps, whats so bad with that?
Harpy isnt the only one that can use all 5 high slots with offensive weapons, the Retribution, Enyon and Wolf can all do so and still have a lot more defensive depth.
Originally by: Eyeshadow
personally i think they look pretty good. They have the shield of some lesser cruisers for gods sake and more turret hard points! What more do u want from a frigate? These things are gonna kick the a$$ of any frig, including intys, and the caldari ones are great. Seen the bonus? 25% to optimal range + 10% per lvl of assault skill. Get that 2 lvl4 and u got a 65% range increase on guns that shred frigates to pieces.
Do not doubt them until they are being flown. I personally think these will replace inty's in solo'ing in a frig.
I want the caldari assault to be able to perform on par with the other assault frigates. Woopy doo, they have ~600 base shields - they also have no cap and a poor cap recharge rate, which makes tanking a near impossibility, which can only be made possible by fitting all 2 low slots with cap relays, which then gimps the shield boosting part of the tank anyway.
A range bonus is fine, but a range bonus to a weapon with an existing base of 12km and already poor tracking isnt worth nearly as much as you make it out to be.
These caldari assaults will kick the ass of nothing.
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Zak Kingsman
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Posted - 2004.08.17 18:45:00 -
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what about the enyro's little brother with a 250m3 drone bay and with level 5 skills at 500m3 drone bay, 5 medium drones or 2 heavy or 10 small, sounds like a good deal to me. The caldari gunship assault can be made to be a tough little bastard (I'm thinking 2 em hardeners a shield booster and shield amp with 2 power diags low) or you could go for a speed setup that's just meant to keep things at range. 30-40km with 2 cap relays low, an mwd 2 dampeners and a web just in case something gets close. And I'd still be scared of that damn drone carrier frig :/
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Zak Kingsman
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Posted - 2004.08.17 18:45:00 -
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what about the enyro's little brother with a 250m3 drone bay and with level 5 skills at 500m3 drone bay, 5 medium drones or 2 heavy or 10 small, sounds like a good deal to me. The caldari gunship assault can be made to be a tough little bastard (I'm thinking 2 em hardeners a shield booster and shield amp with 2 power diags low) or you could go for a speed setup that's just meant to keep things at range. 30-40km with 2 cap relays low, an mwd 2 dampeners and a web just in case something gets close. And I'd still be scared of that damn drone carrier frig :/
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.08.17 19:02:00 -
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I honestly don't think they're that bad. 75% thermal resistance and 50% kinetic? I think that's an awesome bonus for shields (don't see how that makes more sense to armor tankers as you say). That means all you have to do is run an em hardener to have a pretty competent tank.
Granted it's pretty odd for frigates to shield tank instead of using speed, but I think assault frigs might end up being a different phenomenon, they might actually end up being able to tank cruiser level damage (which is all they need as bships can't really hit them anymore - especially after missiles change). Also with the changes to cap relays you'd rather have more mid slots than low slots anyways.
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Teeth
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Posted - 2004.08.17 19:02:00 -
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I honestly don't think they're that bad. 75% thermal resistance and 50% kinetic? I think that's an awesome bonus for shields (don't see how that makes more sense to armor tankers as you say). That means all you have to do is run an em hardener to have a pretty competent tank.
Granted it's pretty odd for frigates to shield tank instead of using speed, but I think assault frigs might end up being a different phenomenon, they might actually end up being able to tank cruiser level damage (which is all they need as bships can't really hit them anymore - especially after missiles change). Also with the changes to cap relays you'd rather have more mid slots than low slots anyways.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.17 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Teeth
I honestly don't think they're that bad. 75% thermal resistance and 50% kinetic? I think that's an awesome bonus for shields (don't see how that makes more sense to armor tankers as you say). That means all you have to do is run an em hardener to have a pretty competent tank.
Granted it's pretty odd for frigates to shield tank instead of using speed, but I think assault frigs might end up being a different phenomenon, they might actually end up being able to tank cruiser level damage (which is all they need as bships can't really hit them anymore - especially after missiles change). Also with the changes to cap relays you'd rather have more mid slots than low slots anyways.
problem with tanking this frigs, thy are going to loose against everything when thy arent fast enough
tanking your harpy will make you loose against a crow (with 10mn AB) cause you cant hit him when he orbits you at 500m (you didnt fitted a webber) and he still will own you at 12km with his missles, rails cant really kill a frig that easy, especially when everything comes to speed atm (tracking issue)
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.08.17 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Teeth
I honestly don't think they're that bad. 75% thermal resistance and 50% kinetic? I think that's an awesome bonus for shields (don't see how that makes more sense to armor tankers as you say). That means all you have to do is run an em hardener to have a pretty competent tank.
Granted it's pretty odd for frigates to shield tank instead of using speed, but I think assault frigs might end up being a different phenomenon, they might actually end up being able to tank cruiser level damage (which is all they need as bships can't really hit them anymore - especially after missiles change). Also with the changes to cap relays you'd rather have more mid slots than low slots anyways.
problem with tanking this frigs, thy are going to loose against everything when thy arent fast enough
tanking your harpy will make you loose against a crow (with 10mn AB) cause you cant hit him when he orbits you at 500m (you didnt fitted a webber) and he still will own you at 12km with his missles, rails cant really kill a frig that easy, especially when everything comes to speed atm (tracking issue)
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Lord Azraiel
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Posted - 2004.08.17 19:40:00 -
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The damage resistances are based on the damage types most common by the race they dont like. Minmatar 75% em damage and 50% theraml, amarr 75% explosive and 50% kinetic. Least thats what i think.
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Lord Azraiel
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Posted - 2004.08.17 19:40:00 -
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The damage resistances are based on the damage types most common by the race they dont like. Minmatar 75% em damage and 50% theraml, amarr 75% explosive and 50% kinetic. Least thats what i think.
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.08.17 20:11:00 -
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ONOS CALDARI DONT HAVE THE BEST ASSAULT FRIGATES? well maybe you should try the interceptors or battleships which they have the best in
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Jadrut
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Posted - 2004.08.17 20:11:00 -
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ONOS CALDARI DONT HAVE THE BEST ASSAULT FRIGATES? well maybe you should try the interceptors or battleships which they have the best in
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