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Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.08.17 16:08:00 - [1] Edited by: Rob Mattacks on 17/08/2004 16:17:46 The mwd shield penalty obviously favors armor based ships rather than shield based ships. The shield based lose more ship hp overall and roleplay reasons aside this is imbalanced. Frigates need speed and looking at the new elites the Caldari and Minmatar will lose out the most cos they have more shield hp. If they do stop us from using oversized afterburners I think they should either remove the shield penalty from mwd or add an armor penalty too. Edit : i actually think they should remove shield penalty it or add penalty to armor regardless of if oversized ab are to be nerfed
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.08.17 16:08:00 - [2] Edited by: Rob Mattacks on 17/08/2004 16:17:46 The mwd shield penalty obviously favors armor based ships rather than shield based ships. The shield based lose more ship hp overall and roleplay reasons aside this is imbalanced. Frigates need speed and looking at the new elites the Caldari and Minmatar will lose out the most cos they have more shield hp. If they do stop us from using oversized afterburners I think they should either remove the shield penalty from mwd or add an armor penalty too. Edit : i actually think they should remove shield penalty it or add penalty to armor regardless of if oversized ab are to be nerfed
Shim'naunta	Posted - 2004.08.17 16:29:00 - [3] i agree that mwds are a major prob for minmatar ships which already have a low cap size and little slots for sheild tanking or amour tanking, despite the fact that there suposed to be the fast ships of the game. minmater ships should be removed from the game so as not to give noobs false hopes when training up there skills
Shim'naunta	Posted - 2004.08.17 16:29:00 - [4] i agree that mwds are a major prob for minmatar ships which already have a low cap size and little slots for sheild tanking or amour tanking, despite the fact that there suposed to be the fast ships of the game. minmater ships should be removed from the game so as not to give noobs false hopes when training up there skills
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.17 18:33:00 - [5] i agree, no real reason for only shield penalty, this makes the new caldari assault frigs kinda slow... Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.17 18:33:00 - [6] i agree, no real reason for only shield penalty, this makes the new caldari assault frigs kinda slow... Wanna fly with me?
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:23:00 - [7] or perhaps -12.5 % shield and -12.5% armor or something like that....
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:23:00 - [8] or perhaps -12.5 % shield and -12.5% armor or something like that....
Arud	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:25:00 - [9] one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd
Arud	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:25:00 - [10] one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:35:00 - [11] Originally by: Arud one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd hõõõ? can you explain that?? Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Arud one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd hõõõ? can you explain that?? Wanna fly with me?
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Arud one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd Yes fair point but other than the hawk with the shield boosting bonus (not that many people use a shield booster on a frig)- the caldari Crow, Raptor, harpy and minmatar jaguar all suffer a bigger loss of hp than armor based ships when using mwd. This penalty will continue to hit new (shield based) ships more than armor as they are introduced. I mean the new gallente ones the Enyo (4 blasters ) and Ishkur (3 blasters & up to 5 medium drones) are gonne be pretty damn tough to beat even without having the benifit of not losing as much hp cos of mwd
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Arud one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd Yes fair point but other than the hawk with the shield boosting bonus (not that many people use a shield booster on a frig)- the caldari Crow, Raptor, harpy and minmatar jaguar all suffer a bigger loss of hp than armor based ships when using mwd. This penalty will continue to hit new (shield based) ships more than armor as they are introduced. I mean the new gallente ones the Enyo (4 blasters ) and Ishkur (3 blasters & up to 5 medium drones) are gonne be pretty damn tough to beat even without having the benifit of not losing as much hp cos of mwd
Arud	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Rob Mattacks Originally by: Arud one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd Yes fair point but other than the hawk with the shield boosting bonus (not that many people use a shield booster on a frig)- the caldari Crow, Raptor, harpy and minmatar jaguar all suffer a bigger loss of hp than armor based ships when using mwd. This penalty will continue to hit new (shield based) ships more than armor as they are introduced. I mean the new gallente ones the Enyo (4 blasters ) and Ishkur (3 blasters & up to 5 medium drones) are gonne be pretty damn tough to beat even without having the benifit of not losing as much hp cos of mwd the other ships suffer as well, the minmatar and caldari dont use as much cap for their weapons like the amarr and galente. So two races suffer from shield where it matters and two suffer from cap where it matters. and yes the galante ships are naaaaasty
Arud	Posted - 2004.08.17 19:51:00 - [16] Originally by: Rob Mattacks Originally by: Arud one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd Yes fair point but other than the hawk with the shield boosting bonus (not that many people use a shield booster on a frig)- the caldari Crow, Raptor, harpy and minmatar jaguar all suffer a bigger loss of hp than armor based ships when using mwd. This penalty will continue to hit new (shield based) ships more than armor as they are introduced. I mean the new gallente ones the Enyo (4 blasters ) and Ishkur (3 blasters & up to 5 medium drones) are gonne be pretty damn tough to beat even without having the benifit of not losing as much hp cos of mwd the other ships suffer as well, the minmatar and caldari dont use as much cap for their weapons like the amarr and galente. So two races suffer from shield where it matters and two suffer from cap where it matters. and yes the galante ships are naaaaasty
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:06:00 - [17] Originally by: Arud Originally by: Rob Mattacks Originally by: Arud one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd Yes fair point but other than the hawk with the shield boosting bonus (not that many people use a shield booster on a frig)- the caldari Crow, Raptor, harpy and minmatar jaguar all suffer a bigger loss of hp than armor based ships when using mwd. This penalty will continue to hit new (shield based) ships more than armor as they are introduced. I mean the new gallente ones the Enyo (4 blasters ) and Ishkur (3 blasters & up to 5 medium drones) are gonne be pretty damn tough to beat even without having the benifit of not losing as much hp cos of mwd the other ships suffer as well, the minmatar and caldari dont use as much cap for their weapons like the amarr and galente. So two races suffer from shield where it matters and two suffer from cap where it matters. and yes the galante ships are naaaaasty aye but whats the good of the extra cap cos of no cap weapons if your ship is destroyed faster...
Rob Mattacks	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Arud Originally by: Rob Mattacks Originally by: Arud one of the caldari ships gets a shield boost bonus, perfect combo with a mwd Yes fair point but other than the hawk with the shield boosting bonus (not that many people use a shield booster on a frig)- the caldari Crow, Raptor, harpy and minmatar jaguar all suffer a bigger loss of hp than armor based ships when using mwd. This penalty will continue to hit new (shield based) ships more than armor as they are introduced. I mean the new gallente ones the Enyo (4 blasters ) and Ishkur (3 blasters & up to 5 medium drones) are gonne be pretty damn tough to beat even without having the benifit of not losing as much hp cos of mwd the other ships suffer as well, the minmatar and caldari dont use as much cap for their weapons like the amarr and galente. So two races suffer from shield where it matters and two suffer from cap where it matters. and yes the galante ships are naaaaasty aye but whats the good of the extra cap cos of no cap weapons if your ship is destroyed faster...
Tovarishch	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:11:00 - [19] Edited by: Tovarishch on 17/08/2004 20:15:48 Couldn't agree more. The Caldari and Minmatar ships take a far greater penalty than most other ships for equipping an MWD. Take a look at the new Caldari assault frigates. Putting an MWD on one of those is suicide... however, everyone else will have one equipped. The MWD penalties need to be reviewed. PS. I won't even go into how the Cap Recharger's shield boosting penalty hits Minmatar/Caldari ships harder than any other race. Combine this with the MWD shield penalty.... sigh. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Insert inane 'leetspeak' signature here, or some idiotic picture that wastes bandwidth. * The Tarsis Shriners
Tovarishch	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:11:00 - [20] Edited by: Tovarishch on 17/08/2004 20:15:48 Couldn't agree more. The Caldari and Minmatar ships take a far greater penalty than most other ships for equipping an MWD. Take a look at the new Caldari assault frigates. Putting an MWD on one of those is suicide... however, everyone else will have one equipped. The MWD penalties need to be reviewed. PS. I won't even go into how the Cap Recharger's shield boosting penalty hits Minmatar/Caldari ships harder than any other race. Combine this with the MWD shield penalty.... sigh. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Insert inane 'leetspeak' signature here, or some idiotic picture that wastes bandwidth. * The Tarsis Shriners
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:56:00 - [21] All ships need cap. Amarr use weapons that use a lot of cap but they generally have more cap to begin with, minmatar favor weapons that don¦t use any cap but they usually have less cap. Of course some cap have more problems with cap than others but saying that the cap penalty is irrelevant for caldari ships is just silly. Personally I think the shield penalty should be removed as the signature radius penalty has been introduced, that way everybody suffers equally... well almost. __________ Capacitor research
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.08.17 20:56:00 - [22] All ships need cap. Amarr use weapons that use a lot of cap but they generally have more cap to begin with, minmatar favor weapons that don¦t use any cap but they usually have less cap. Of course some cap have more problems with cap than others but saying that the cap penalty is irrelevant for caldari ships is just silly. Personally I think the shield penalty should be removed as the signature radius penalty has been introduced, that way everybody suffers equally... well almost. __________ Capacitor research
Cutter John	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:12:00 - [23] the shield penalty isnt really that bad.. less shields is meaningless if your tank can hold up to the damage. if it cant, that 25% of shields wont help much anyway. tbh they could remove the shield penalty and it wouldnt affect much. its the cap penalty that hits shield tankers harder, considering shield ships have less cap to play with, and boosters arent as efficient. less cap = less boosting. the only way it really hurts is if the shield tank is going for a max hp shield tank, with several extenders. although they really should just remove it... it does give armor tankers another advantage, even if small, and its inconsequential enough that it really wont make a difference. My Idea Thread Give Drones Love!
Cutter John	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:12:00 - [24] the shield penalty isnt really that bad.. less shields is meaningless if your tank can hold up to the damage. if it cant, that 25% of shields wont help much anyway. tbh they could remove the shield penalty and it wouldnt affect much. its the cap penalty that hits shield tankers harder, considering shield ships have less cap to play with, and boosters arent as efficient. less cap = less boosting. the only way it really hurts is if the shield tank is going for a max hp shield tank, with several extenders. although they really should just remove it... it does give armor tankers another advantage, even if small, and its inconsequential enough that it really wont make a difference. My Idea Thread Give Drones Love!
DarkStar251	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:14:00 - [25] Edited by: DarkStar251 on 17/08/2004 21:16:09 ever stopped and considered running without an MWD? Put an AB on, you have more cap, and more shields. Turrets still cant hit you, cruise dont actually do that much dmg since the last patch. Oh wait thats right you dont want to be hit by drones, guns, missiles... spaceflies... The cap penalty hits Amarr and Gal ships harder. First you said you still need cap for tanking, then you say you cant tank a frig. make up your minds!!! The shield penalty hits Caldari and Minnie ships harder, not much harder tho as 'nobody tanks frigs anyway'! sigh And before anyone accuses me of being an 'ignorant bship pilot', I fly my Taranis and Helios FAR more than any of my bships :P
DarkStar251	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:14:00 - [26] Edited by: DarkStar251 on 17/08/2004 21:16:09 ever stopped and considered running without an MWD? Put an AB on, you have more cap, and more shields. Turrets still cant hit you, cruise dont actually do that much dmg since the last patch. Oh wait thats right you dont want to be hit by drones, guns, missiles... spaceflies... The cap penalty hits Amarr and Gal ships harder. First you said you still need cap for tanking, then you say you cant tank a frig. make up your minds!!! The shield penalty hits Caldari and Minnie ships harder, not much harder tho as 'nobody tanks frigs anyway'! sigh And before anyone accuses me of being an 'ignorant bship pilot', I fly my Taranis and Helios FAR more than any of my bships :P
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:20:00 - [27] Originally by: DarkStar251 Edited by: DarkStar251 on 17/08/2004 21:16:09 ever stopped and considered running without an MWD? Put an AB on, you have more cap, and more shields. Turrets still cant hit you, cruise dont actually do that much dmg since the last patch. Oh wait thats right you dont want to be hit by drones, guns, missiles... spaceflies... The cap penalty hits Amarr and Gal ships harder. First you said you still need cap for tanking, then you say you cant tank a frig. make up your minds!!! The shield penalty hits Caldari and Minnie ships harder, not much harder tho as 'nobody tanks frigs anyway'! sigh And before anyone accuses me of being an 'ignorant bship pilot', I fly my Taranis and Helios FAR more than any of my bships :P since when do cruise not do as much damage post patch i think you'll find the missile damage relating to speed and signiture have not yet been implimented, because those changes come with the increas ein missile speed i'd like to see some sort of mwd bonus or race specific mwd module for caldari, the galante get a super mwd bonus for their thorax. when relying on sheild hitpoints for defence, a mwd is often crippling all of these crys for caldari sheild hitpoints will go away when they either fix that or make it so that mwd are not the be all and end all of 0.0 life, because without one, unless you always cheat using instas, your dead __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:20:00 - [28] Originally by: DarkStar251 Edited by: DarkStar251 on 17/08/2004 21:16:09 ever stopped and considered running without an MWD? Put an AB on, you have more cap, and more shields. Turrets still cant hit you, cruise dont actually do that much dmg since the last patch. Oh wait thats right you dont want to be hit by drones, guns, missiles... spaceflies... The cap penalty hits Amarr and Gal ships harder. First you said you still need cap for tanking, then you say you cant tank a frig. make up your minds!!! The shield penalty hits Caldari and Minnie ships harder, not much harder tho as 'nobody tanks frigs anyway'! sigh And before anyone accuses me of being an 'ignorant bship pilot', I fly my Taranis and Helios FAR more than any of my bships :P since when do cruise not do as much damage post patch i think you'll find the missile damage relating to speed and signiture have not yet been implimented, because those changes come with the increas ein missile speed i'd like to see some sort of mwd bonus or race specific mwd module for caldari, the galante get a super mwd bonus for their thorax. when relying on sheild hitpoints for defence, a mwd is often crippling all of these crys for caldari sheild hitpoints will go away when they either fix that or make it so that mwd are not the be all and end all of 0.0 life, because without one, unless you always cheat using instas, your dead __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DarkStar251	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:58:00 - [29] Originally by: DJTheBaron Originally by: DarkStar251 Edited by: DarkStar251 on 17/08/2004 21:16:09 ever stopped and considered running without an MWD? Put an AB on, you have more cap, and more shields. Turrets still cant hit you, cruise dont actually do that much dmg since the last patch. Oh wait thats right you dont want to be hit by drones, guns, missiles... spaceflies... The cap penalty hits Amarr and Gal ships harder. First you said you still need cap for tanking, then you say you cant tank a frig. make up your minds!!! The shield penalty hits Caldari and Minnie ships harder, not much harder tho as 'nobody tanks frigs anyway'! sigh And before anyone accuses me of being an 'ignorant bship pilot', I fly my Taranis and Helios FAR more than any of my bships :P since when do cruise not do as much damage post patch i think you'll find the missile damage relating to speed and signiture have not yet been implimented, because those changes come with the increas ein missile speed i'd like to see some sort of mwd bonus or race specific mwd module for caldari, the galante get a super mwd bonus for their thorax. when relying on sheild hitpoints for defence, a mwd is often crippling all of these crys for caldari sheild hitpoints will go away when they either fix that or make it so that mwd are not the be all and end all of 0.0 life, because without one, unless you always cheat using instas, your dead The Damage/Sig radius thing was brought in, whined about massivlely, then nerfed some, afaik. Yes, Gallente get an MWD bonus on 1 ship, but thats 1 specific close range cruiser. The MOA is not exactly a close range ship, I prefer the 5% shield boost bonus on mine to a possible MWD boost :/ Even if the Dam/Sig radius thing is not in yet, it will be. TomB said at one point (cant remember when) that he wanted it so that frigs didnt need mwds. This has been achieved now, except for the possible problem of cruise. And anyway, Assault frigs pwn other frigs, they should get owned by huge great bships with cruise, they cant just beat everything.
DarkStar251	Posted - 2004.08.17 21:58:00 - [30] Originally by: DJTheBaron Originally by: DarkStar251 Edited by: DarkStar251 on 17/08/2004 21:16:09 ever stopped and considered running without an MWD? Put an AB on, you have more cap, and more shields. Turrets still cant hit you, cruise dont actually do that much dmg since the last patch. Oh wait thats right you dont want to be hit by drones, guns, missiles... spaceflies... The cap penalty hits Amarr and Gal ships harder. First you said you still need cap for tanking, then you say you cant tank a frig. make up your minds!!! The shield penalty hits Caldari and Minnie ships harder, not much harder tho as 'nobody tanks frigs anyway'! sigh And before anyone accuses me of being an 'ignorant bship pilot', I fly my Taranis and Helios FAR more than any of my bships :P since when do cruise not do as much damage post patch i think you'll find the missile damage relating to speed and signiture have not yet been implimented, because those changes come with the increas ein missile speed i'd like to see some sort of mwd bonus or race specific mwd module for caldari, the galante get a super mwd bonus for their thorax. when relying on sheild hitpoints for defence, a mwd is often crippling all of these crys for caldari sheild hitpoints will go away when they either fix that or make it so that mwd are not the be all and end all of 0.0 life, because without one, unless you always cheat using instas, your dead The Damage/Sig radius thing was brought in, whined about massivlely, then nerfed some, afaik. Yes, Gallente get an MWD bonus on 1 ship, but thats 1 specific close range cruiser. The MOA is not exactly a close range ship, I prefer the 5% shield boost bonus on mine to a possible MWD boost :/ Even if the Dam/Sig radius thing is not in yet, it will be. TomB said at one point (cant remember when) that he wanted it so that frigs didnt need mwds. This has been achieved now, except for the possible problem of cruise. And anyway, Assault frigs pwn other frigs, they should get owned by huge great bships with cruise, they cant just beat everything.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:27:00 - [31] Edited by: DJTheBaron on 17/08/2004 22:33:46 no i dont beleive they brought that in yet, missile speeds, damage per target speed + sig, and making drones fight in waves etc have still to come see here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=102643 __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
DJTheBaron	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:27:00 - [32] Edited by: DJTheBaron on 17/08/2004 22:33:46 no i dont beleive they brought that in yet, missile speeds, damage per target speed + sig, and making drones fight in waves etc have still to come see here http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=102643 __________________________________________________ Scum, your all scum.
Terminus Est	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:46:00 - [33] IIRC, the MWD nerf came about in order to give a penalty to people that were using it "too efficiently" to run blockades. Apparently the PvP crowd was having a hard time catching their prey. This happened at a time when you could start your MWD before leaving warp, therefore aproaching gates at a very high speed indeed. By that time tracking and sygnatures and all that, was not really working, so no one would use a MWD in PvP. MWD was almost exclusively ment for travelling and used in some PvE setups. And it should probably remain there. The Thorax bonus says otherwise, though.
Terminus Est	Posted - 2004.08.17 22:46:00 - [34] IIRC, the MWD nerf came about in order to give a penalty to people that were using it "too efficiently" to run blockades. Apparently the PvP crowd was having a hard time catching their prey. This happened at a time when you could start your MWD before leaving warp, therefore aproaching gates at a very high speed indeed. By that time tracking and sygnatures and all that, was not really working, so no one would use a MWD in PvP. MWD was almost exclusively ment for travelling and used in some PvE setups. And it should probably remain there. The Thorax bonus says otherwise, though.
PASTOR TROY	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:10:00 - [35] People wont be happy till the Thorax gets nerfed to the stone age. First its 2 big of a drone bay, now its 2ndbonus is unfair. People will complain till the thorax becomes an imicus.
PASTOR TROY	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:10:00 - [36] People wont be happy till the Thorax gets nerfed to the stone age. First its 2 big of a drone bay, now its 2ndbonus is unfair. People will complain till the thorax becomes an imicus.
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:29:00 - [37] I don't really see the point in keeping the fitting penalties now that the sig radius penalty is there for combat situations.
Asharee Intrefer	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:29:00 - [38] I don't really see the point in keeping the fitting penalties now that the sig radius penalty is there for combat situations.
Terminus Est	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:52:00 - [39] Edited by: Terminus Est on 17/08/2004 23:54:55 I had written WMD instead of MWD... I'm not saying that the Thorax advantage is unfair. Maybe it is since everyone says the thorax is so Uber... Not my point. Was just stating that giving the thorax a bonus for use with MWD is not consistent with nerfing MWD out of combat, and into a purely travelling aid (something that at a certain point appeared to be the intention of whoever decides balance).
Terminus Est	Posted - 2004.08.17 23:52:00 - [40] Edited by: Terminus Est on 17/08/2004 23:54:55 I had written WMD instead of MWD... I'm not saying that the Thorax advantage is unfair. Maybe it is since everyone says the thorax is so Uber... Not my point. Was just stating that giving the thorax a bonus for use with MWD is not consistent with nerfing MWD out of combat, and into a purely travelling aid (something that at a certain point appeared to be the intention of whoever decides balance).
Morikai Acler	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:26:00 - [41] Actually Caldari ships have the same cap size as the Gallante do. So they do in fact get hit twice as hard by the MWD penalties. It's only on the BS's that the caps are more varied.
Morikai Acler	Posted - 2004.08.18 00:26:00 - [42] Actually Caldari ships have the same cap size as the Gallante do. So they do in fact get hit twice as hard by the MWD penalties. It's only on the BS's that the caps are more varied.
Ca0 Ca0	Posted - 2004.08.18 03:21:00 - [43] Get rid of both the shield and cap penalty, add a serious agility nerf while the module is in use. That's my thoughts. Cao
Ca0 Ca0	Posted - 2004.08.18 03:21:00 - [44] Get rid of both the shield and cap penalty, add a serious agility nerf while the module is in use. That's my thoughts. Cao
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.18 04:34:00 - [45] yep atm mwd is only penaltying shield tankers really, not a fair situation Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.18 04:34:00 - [46] yep atm mwd is only penaltying shield tankers really, not a fair situation Wanna fly with me?
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.08.18 07:16:00 - [47] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 18/08/2004 07:19:04 Originally by: Nafri yep atm mwd is only penaltying shield tankers really, not a fair situation 25% less shield does not affect tanking. When you are tanking your aim is hardening and shield boosting not shield EXTENDING. Armor and Shield tanks suffer the same penalty to their tanking from MWD. The only penalty for shield Tankers only is the fact the MWD is a medslot module. Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.08.18 07:16:00 - [48] Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 18/08/2004 07:19:04 Originally by: Nafri yep atm mwd is only penaltying shield tankers really, not a fair situation 25% less shield does not affect tanking. When you are tanking your aim is hardening and shield boosting not shield EXTENDING. Armor and Shield tanks suffer the same penalty to their tanking from MWD. The only penalty for shield Tankers only is the fact the MWD is a medslot module. Pain is meant to be felt
Aequitas Veritas	Posted - 2004.08.18 15:25:00 - [49] I feel its an a penalty that could go away. And in a way it is hitting shield tanks as well. All over the boards ppl are saying when you discuss shield vs armor tanking, that "but your shield recharges up to xxx HP/s" and that is one of shield tankers strenghts. This penalty directly hits shield tankers. It also takes away about 1500 HP on a Ravens shields, more on a scorp, with hardeners that is twice as much raw damage. Please dont say that doesnt matter in PVP. Particulary in fleet battles where its a matter of secounds between life and death in many situations... A penalty that now should go away, or be changed into -12,5% armor and -12,5% shield. So many ppl say that armor now is a "energized" type of armor and not just layers and layers of armor. So even in the physical way this isnt unreasonable.
Aequitas Veritas	Posted - 2004.08.18 15:25:00 - [50] I feel its an a penalty that could go away. And in a way it is hitting shield tanks as well. All over the boards ppl are saying when you discuss shield vs armor tanking, that "but your shield recharges up to xxx HP/s" and that is one of shield tankers strenghts. This penalty directly hits shield tankers. It also takes away about 1500 HP on a Ravens shields, more on a scorp, with hardeners that is twice as much raw damage. Please dont say that doesnt matter in PVP. Particulary in fleet battles where its a matter of secounds between life and death in many situations... A penalty that now should go away, or be changed into -12,5% armor and -12,5% shield. So many ppl say that armor now is a "energized" type of armor and not just layers and layers of armor. So even in the physical way this isnt unreasonable.
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.18 15:46:00 - [51] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 18/08/2004 07:19:04 Originally by: Nafri yep atm mwd is only penaltying shield tankers really, not a fair situation 25% less shield does not affect tanking. When you are tanking your aim is hardening and shield boosting not shield EXTENDING. Armor and Shield tanks suffer the same penalty to their tanking from MWD. The only penalty for shield Tankers only is the fact the MWD is a medslot module. its a big difference if you have 6k shields or only 4.5shields, you have to activate your booster sooner and you dont have that much puffer before you have to go out for cruisers its even worsen, a bb with mwd is very very fragile Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.18 15:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Edited by: Juan Andalusian on 18/08/2004 07:19:04 Originally by: Nafri yep atm mwd is only penaltying shield tankers really, not a fair situation 25% less shield does not affect tanking. When you are tanking your aim is hardening and shield boosting not shield EXTENDING. Armor and Shield tanks suffer the same penalty to their tanking from MWD. The only penalty for shield Tankers only is the fact the MWD is a medslot module. its a big difference if you have 6k shields or only 4.5shields, you have to activate your booster sooner and you dont have that much puffer before you have to go out for cruisers its even worsen, a bb with mwd is very very fragile Wanna fly with me?
Arud	Posted - 2004.08.18 15:59:00 - [53] Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 Get rid of both the shield and cap penalty, add a serious agility nerf while the module is in use. That's my thoughts. Cao this I would support, that would mean that it would be most useful to get in close or get away, right now when it comes to mwd and interceptors for example then it clearly favors the missile interceptors because they can fly fast around a webbed target and still do 100% damage while turret interceptor have realy hard time hitting while going so fast
Arud	Posted - 2004.08.18 15:59:00 - [54] Originally by: Ca0 Ca0 Get rid of both the shield and cap penalty, add a serious agility nerf while the module is in use. That's my thoughts. Cao this I would support, that would mean that it would be most useful to get in close or get away, right now when it comes to mwd and interceptors for example then it clearly favors the missile interceptors because they can fly fast around a webbed target and still do 100% damage while turret interceptor have realy hard time hitting while going so fast
Xtro 2	Posted - 2004.08.18 16:57:00 - [55] I think the shield nerf should be replaced for an agility nerf, so you lose agility and cap, this helps a number of ships and allows the thron to have a bigger "buffer zone" from its shields while its being pounded, im sure that would make blasters setups still risky but not as suicidal.. __________________________________________ Hell is nothing more than an office with fluorecent lights.
Xtro 2	Posted - 2004.08.18 16:57:00 - [56] I think the shield nerf should be replaced for an agility nerf, so you lose agility and cap, this helps a number of ships and allows the thron to have a bigger "buffer zone" from its shields while its being pounded, im sure that would make blasters setups still risky but not as suicidal.. __________________________________________ Hell is nothing more than an office with fluorecent lights.

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