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Sabahl
Minmatar LFC Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.03.18 08:59:00 -
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I found a WH last night which had numerous signatures in it. On of them proved to be unscannable. Even with 4 0.25 AU probes around the single dot result I was only able to get a max scan strength of 10%, and that was using a sister's probe launcher on a toon with max scanning stats and a full set of +3 scanning implants.
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Hallan Turrek
Caldari The Bastards
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Posted - 2009.03.18 09:03:00 -
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Are you sure it wasn't above or below your probes(and therefore only a hit on three)?
You can also improve your accuracy by moving the probes closer to the hit you're looking for. Probes don't have equal strength within their radius, so the closer you get them to the site(without being so close that they can't triangulate the location), the better. ________________________________________ A merry life and a short one shall be my motto. Bartholomew Roberts
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Aniel Zaar
Gallente Light of Orion
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Posted - 2009.03.18 09:14:00 -
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It's a known bug, will be fixed as soon as CCP will get to it. Just ignore them and move on. As per CCP, there isn't even anything at signatures like that, just a "mirage". *-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^*-*^-^ By the way, I am an Ishtar and T2 sentries fan. Fight to make the sentry damage rig work for all drones. |
Miss Moonwych
Formedian Shadows
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Posted - 2009.03.18 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 18/03/2009 10:36:11
Originally by: Sabahl I found a WH last night which had numerous signatures in it. On of them proved to be unscannable. Even with 4 0.25 AU probes around the single dot result I was only able to get a max scan strength of 10%, and that was using a sister's probe launcher on a toon with max scanning stats and a full set of +3 scanning implants.
Is this a bug or a feature?
This must be the same bug we encountered and thought CCP (Greyscale) had fixed. Please bug report it (with screenshots if possible) and also name BR 71456. Here a quote from an old post on the dev forum (link):
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BR 71456 : Cosmic signature with extremely low signature strength (found in WH-space)
Theminster also encourtered an 0.01% base site today. So I reopened this bug report. There are (still) extremely low sig sites in W-space.
I got about 11.72% with 0.25au probes so this looks really similar. But in the end the BH couldn't reproduce it so it was filtered. They need more data if possible so please tell them as much as possible.
Originally by: Aniel Zaar It's a known bug, will be fixed as soon as CCP will get to it. Just ignore them and move on. As per CCP, there isn't even anything at signatures like that, just a "mirage".
Do you have another bug report number?
Regards,
M.M.
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Barry Bennett
Momentary Lapse of Reason
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Posted - 2009.03.18 10:36:00 -
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Where can I get a set of your +3 scanning implants? I thought that the Virtue set was only available as low-grade at the moment.
The annoying bug I usually get is the 100% hit. Warp to it and there's nothing there. Re-scan and the 100% hit turns out to be 15-20 000 km out. --- Honk in local if you made sweet, sweet love today.
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The Snowman
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:19:00 -
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you get these even in high sec, usually its the magnometrics which are this hard.
Had one in a 0.7 ( i think ) 4 probes around it were indicating distance as low as 400k, and still only 80% scan.
The difficulty becomes that you cant zoom in any further! so its nearly impossible to manipulate your probes to any degree of accuracy, mainly because the tweaker is so large when fully zoomed in that you can even see the red bubble. Ok, so you can deactivate to help you see them, but you cant move them when deactivated! as soon as you activate one you can no longer see where it needs moving too.
I dont mind rediculously hard to scan things, but when the interface hinders you as opposed to your skill it really sux :( |
Miss Moonwych
Formedian Shadows
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Posted - 2009.03.18 11:28:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 18/03/2009 11:33:36
Originally by: The Snowman you get these even in high sec, usually its the magnometrics which are this hard.
Had one in a 0.7 ( i think ) 4 probes around it were indicating distance as low as 400k, and still only 80% scan.
The difficulty becomes that you cant zoom in any further! so its nearly impossible to manipulate your probes to any degree of accuracy, mainly because the tweaker is so large when fully zoomed in that you can even see the red bubble. Ok, so you can deactivate to help you see them, but you cant move them when deactivated! as soon as you activate one you can no longer see where it needs moving too.
I dont mind rediculously hard to scan things, but when the interface hinders you as opposed to your skill it really sux :(
This isn't the same bug and probably isn't a bug at all. I suspect you found the weakest of sites (smallest of the 8 sizes) and you either don't have the skills/equipment to get 100% and/or did't place your probes near perfectlty.
What is discussed above are sites that are around 12.5 times weaker than the lowest of the 8 sizes and have a target size of 0.1 (which is extremely low). These are not findable by anyone.
Regards,
M.M.
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Quebber
Cursed Souls Vort3x.
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Posted - 2009.03.18 13:03:00 -
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You are probably scanning in the wrong place - or just very being unlucky. Try starting from scratch - start big and then shrink the scan range.
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Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.03.18 13:25:00 -
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I can confirm the impossible unscannables still exist. Found one in a deadly wormspace yesterday; still there today.
Set 4 probes in a square, 6 in a cube, 8 in a sphere, create a vicious ring and a top/bottom, whatever, at maximum zoom-in, with all the relevant skills at 5 and a tasty implant, best you can get is a 9.99% hit.
Shrug and move on.
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Macho300
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:24:00 -
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i have found the samething as of all of you did i got a cosmic annomoly 2 au awat useing my 2au probs use 6 of them all arounf top and bottom and the best signal i have managed to acheive is 60% hope this gets fixed soon what a waist of my time
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Miss Moonwych
Formedian Shadows
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 18/03/2009 21:23:39
Originally by: Macho300 i have found the samething as of all of you did i got a cosmic annomoly 2 au awat useing my 2au probs use 6 of them all arounf top and bottom and the best signal i have managed to acheive is 60% hope this gets fixed soon what a waist of my time
Not a bug.
You're probably doing something wrong and can improve your target strength one way or the other. Please post a screenshot + info about ship/skills/rigs/implants/type of probe in the FAQ. You have a better chance of getting an answer there. And btw: for anomalies you only need one probe.
Regards,
M.M.
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Tomogara
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon
Set 4 probes in a square, 6 in a cube, 8 in a sphere, create a vicious ring and a top/bottom
None of those are good probe positions. 4 probes in a regular tetrahedron (a pyramid) is the only optimal configuration. Any more than 4 probes are irrelevant as the scan only uses the best 4, any shape other than a regular tetrahedron is more susceptible to angular penalties from deviation. If you have a poor strength, you also want to space the probes so that the distance between them is just a little less than the scan radius of the probes themselves. It gives optimal coverage for a site which has a high degree of deviation.
Even still, though, you're probably still describing an unscannable site as it's pretty hard to get to 0.25 and not have at least 20% strength on your first 0.25 scan.
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ollobrains2
Gallente New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.19 04:15:00 -
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use 8 probes
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2009.03.19 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Sabahl I found a WH last night which had numerous signatures in it. On of them proved to be unscannable. Even with 4 0.25 AU probes around the single dot result I was only able to get a max scan strength of 10%, and that was using a sister's probe launcher on a toon with max scanning stats and a full set of +3 scanning implants.
Is this a bug or a feature?
As MM remarked it's probably the old bug. However, it could also be (although unlikely) your placement of probes/equipment to be severely lacking. To know that for sure there is a simple test you can perform:
Select ONLY one probe, putting it as close as you can to the site. Then set it at 0.5AU range and scan (0.5AU to lessen the impact of distance). If sig str is much lower than 25% with you using high covop skills, core probes, high scan str skills, and rigs, it's the bug. If sig str is higher than 25%, or slightly lower, your placement of probes must be awful.
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Leetag3
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Leetag3 on 19/03/2009 14:34:40 Get all strength skills to lvl 5
USE COV OPS
signal triangulation 5 50% signal pinpointing 5 50% cov op 5 50%
Get Grav rigs 20% Get Sister probe launcher 5% Get implants ??%
That +185% to you scan probe strength
If you CANT find it with all this THEN :
1. Give up (its possible the sight isnt worth your time) 2. Begin using pinpoint movments Pinpoint movment is where you take all 4 probe and put them as close as you can to the signature , then you move 1 probe a SMIGE and scan to see if the strength gose up or down , if it gose up leave it , if it gose down pull it back a smige. It is possible to find it can doing different smig movment combos untill you get 100%. THIS CAN TAKE A VERY VERY LONG TIME.
And yes it is a bug , CCP didnt fix the scaning skills correctly >.<
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SirSpectre
Gallente Harbingers Of Destruction
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Posted - 2009.03.19 19:26:00 -
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These must still exist. I had one yesterday that with 8 probes at .25 au at every possible configuration with max skills, ( no covops though) I could not get it more than 4% signal. ----
Sig here. ---> X |
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