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Irish Blend Caldari 10045th Logistics Battalion	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:13:00 - [31] In a fleeted up mining op, we want people on different roids and using ore scanners to cycle on and off their strip miners to minimize wasted time. In a non fleeted belt, its first come first served.
Max Thorus	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:32:00 - [32] back to topic! Theres only 2 rule in HighSec Mining Etiquette, for me. - Dont mine roids, other people are already working on. - Stay 30km (Strip Miner Range x2) away from other miners. I usualy ignore rule 2, if the other Miner is flying something smaller then a barge. And if someone else breaks this rules, I friendly convo em.
Tadesae	Posted - 2009.03.19 17:00:00 - [33] The other night some guy jumps into a belt I was mining alone. He sets up 10km or so from me and proceeds to mine. Moments later One of his miners is chipping away at one of the roids I was mining. I did think... "Thats cute Jerk!" But to convo another player to whine about that is kinda petty. I just kept chipping away at it and targeted some roids closer to him. No big deal. Is there mining etiqute? I don't think so. People just like their space if they can get it. In the end what exactly are you gonna do about somebody mining your roid besides sound like a schoolgirl. Move on
Pwett QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.03.19 17:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Tadesae The other night some guy jumps into a belt I was mining alone. He sets up 10km or so from me and proceeds to mine. Moments later One of his miners is chipping away at one of the roids I was mining. I did think... "Thats cute Jerk!" But to convo another player to whine about that is kinda petty. I just kept chipping away at it and targeted some roids closer to him. No big deal. Is there mining etiqute? I don't think so. People just like their space if they can get it. In the end what exactly are you gonna do about somebody mining your roid besides sound like a schoolgirl. Move on At this point, you position your ship so your mining drone gets stuck on his hull and screws with his aerodynamics. It's akin to keying his car. _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony QUANT is rebuilding, EVE-Mail me for recruitment info. Item Database
Carlisle Veritas	Posted - 2009.03.19 23:32:00 - [35] Hi All, Thank you for all the interesting opinions. This kind of stuff is fascinating, in a people-watching kind of way. Anyone with more opinions and stories? Keep them coming! Cheers! Carl.
Ron Santo The Hull Miners Union Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2009.03.20 00:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Tadesae The other night some guy jumps into a belt I was mining alone. He sets up 10km or so from me and proceeds to mine. Moments later One of his miners is chipping away at one of the roids I was mining. I did think... "Thats cute Jerk!" But to convo another player to whine about that is kinda petty. I just kept chipping away at it and targeted some roids closer to him. No big deal. Is there mining etiqute? I don't think so. People just like their space if they can get it. In the end what exactly are you gonna do about somebody mining your roid besides sound like a schoolgirl. Move on 1) wardec 2) kill/pod 3) ??? 4) profit
Evannas Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.20 01:13:00 - [37] There really aren't any rules in a game. If you observe your own set of morals no one can fault you for that. But you need to understand not everyone would agree with your point of view. I, for instance, do not believe a given asteroid belongs to me and could care less if someone else mines it along with me. Consequently I hold that opinion of all asteroids. I am a very simple miner. I crawl from one end of the belt to the other and mine everything along the way. And I usually don't even both looking at anything other than my overview which is set up for mining, and my survey window. I bet a lot of miners do exactly the same.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.03.20 02:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Evannas I am a very simple miner. I crawl from one end of the belt to the other and mine everything along the way. And I usually don't even both looking at anything other than my overview which is set up for mining, and my survey window. QFT. If someone starts mining an asteroid I'm working on, I start cycling my my mining lasers in half cycles just to strip it out from under them. But I'm a petty btch sometimes. --Vel There is no right or wrong way. There is only what works and what leaves you waking up in a clone vat.*
Sushi Chef	Posted - 2009.03.20 03:26:00 - [39] I think it's safe to say most people who choose the mining life aren't as rude and ignorant as some of the people posting in this thread. Those kinda people are attracted to Empire PvP for a reason.
Uppgrayedd	Posted - 2009.03.20 04:09:00 - [40] Originally by: Ron Santo Originally by: Tadesae The other night some guy jumps into a belt I was mining alone. He sets up 10km or so from me and proceeds to mine. Moments later One of his miners is chipping away at one of the roids I was mining. I did think... "Thats cute Jerk!" But to convo another player to whine about that is kinda petty. I just kept chipping away at it and targeted some roids closer to him. No big deal. Is there mining etiqute? I don't think so. People just like their space if they can get it. In the end what exactly are you gonna do about somebody mining your roid besides sound like a schoolgirl. Move on 1) wardec 2) kill/pod 3) ??? 4) profit This. U'd be surprised how many war dec threats get thrown around local when people are mining. and for some reason people see the hulks and orca in our mining ops and just decide to war dec us. most of them claim they dec'd us cuz "someone payed them" and then go away after we kill them a couple times... ()
Sir Elliot	Posted - 2009.03.20 05:54:00 - [41] "There is no reason to pity the fools." So let it be written. So let it be done. Space is cold, dark, harsh, and unforgiving. Welcome to eve. Thanks for the KM.
Kalenia Rostok	Posted - 2009.03.20 07:56:00 - [42] Had a case of a dork miner earlier today. He was solo in a hulk on one end of a belt, I'd already scanned out the belt (and killed the npc rats in it) and was on my way back with my hulk and orca. I grab the other end of the belt and start mining in my usual pattern. No problems so far. He fills up, warps off, does his thing comes back, and starts mining the 3 big rocks on my side of the belt. He had big rocks on his side, but for some reason, he felt the need to mine the ones on the side I was on. I switch up to mine as much of the big rocks as I could... I do so... (I mined a lot more faster...) I said "Don't do that..." on local. He never responded. Finally, all the veldspar was mined out by me, and he just stopped mining at that point (I switched to scord).... 15 mins later he finally warps off. Idiot.
Dark Voynix Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.03.20 09:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Enish Rangar Edited by: Enish Rangar on 19/03/2009 08:54:41 Originally by: Snow Banshee Edited by: Snow Banshee on 19/03/2009 08:37:37 im quite surprised by soem answers here. Its obvious that nobody posses the belt but we are talking about netiquette not laws or property. imho: * if there are some empty belt in same system i find there's no reason to steal roids each others. * if there are not empty belts, then go to same belt but start mining quite far, from the other guys ( so he will mine first minerals near him, and you those near you ) * if in the same belt there is a mining op with several professionals they will most likelly deplete the whole belt quite fast , so if possible i would chose another belt ( its not just a favour to them.. its also at your advangage find a belt ther you can mine in peace) * if the other miners are just noob in frigs... just avoid to mine the same roid. * hail other miners and ask if "roids are hoot today". :-) Obviusly thore are just my personal opinion and are not to be considered laws.. just some basic netiquette rules. You can follow them or not , as the same way you can ne nice or a pure bas<beeeep!>rd, in eve you can be whatever you prefer. Netiquette? Are you mad? Netiquette does not apply in an MMORPG... just the rules of the game apply (which as all EVE players know, you make your own rules). Quit whining and trying to impose "netiquette rules" (<- NOT RULES) on others when they just don't apply. P.S. I guess I should state that I'm okay with moving along to an unmanned belt... but I'm against someone trying to tell others the "proper way" in a game of this nature. Netiquette is not something you can impose.. its just some unwritten manners that you can follow if you wish, but you will get no repercussions if you dont follow them. There's no imposing anywhere, nor its possible to do ( else will becore real rules or laws, not just netiquettes). Op just asked what netiquette could be reasonable to follow, and the guy answered. But again, due to netiquette nature, no imposing is possible , and no repercussion is possible for those who dont want to follow them. If someone cry , that you are not polite, Just let them cry. :D
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2009.03.20 09:23:00 - [44] I feel like EvE is a Far West simulation. What happened when 2+ guys claimed ownership to the same "new" territory / resources? Don't think they used etiquette a lot. Anyway I usually go in an out of the way system so I setup my characters and can strip multiple belts. If someone else arrives, he's welcome, but all he'll really manage to get is Scordite. The other roids get eaten at sickening rate, he could do maybe 2-3 cycles per each before I harvested them.
Angel Mortalitas	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:42:00 - [45] Originally by: Sushi Chef I think it's safe to say most people who choose the mining life aren't as rude and ignorant as some of the people posting in this thread. Those kinda people are attracted to Empire PvP for a reason. Fair to say they are probably PvPers who couldn't cut it in lo/null sec. Hmm?
Dedalus77 Junkyard Dogs Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.20 14:34:00 - [46] Edited by: Dedalus77 on 20/03/2009 14:34:23 This is a pvp game. To me, that does not only refer to flying around and shooting at each other, it refers to every aspect of the game. The .01 ISK wars in the market are pvp. Mining a roid before someone else is pvp. Buying low and selling high is pvp. There are finite resources in EVE and we are all competing with one another for them. Until the ore is actually in my hold, it doesn't yet belong to me and is absolutely fair game imo.
Ikserak tai	Posted - 2009.03.20 15:29:00 - [47] I usually bookmark the type of 'roid I want to mine, go to another belt, bookmark, and then warp to 0 the first bookmark. Cuts way down on getting into range for my mining drones. If I see another miner, I'll check to see what type of 'roid he's mining, more often than not it's a different ore, and I see no reason to go to a farther part of the belt, or another belt. Occasionally I'll go to the second belt I bookmarked, as I enjoy my solitude. If I see a noob pecking away at a 'roid in a Tormentor (shrimp boat) or other mining frigate, I'll check them out in People and Places. If they're indeed a wet-behind-the-ears novice, I'll transfer 500k to 1m to them, then private convo them, and ask them to check their wallet. Most of them are pretty grateful, and they usually warp right off to buy a new ship of some sort. I remember my days of mining in a frigate, and know that this is a player trying to scratch some Isk the hard way. It's enough Isk to give some encouragement, but not enough to make them forget how hard it is to get Isk right off. I think there is room for etiquette in the belts, as there's plenty of meanness elsewhere in Eve, and mining is somewhat a respite from all of that but still a source of income. YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED.
Starmaiden1183	Posted - 2009.03.20 15:32:00 - [48] I have 2 hulks and a hauler, I'm there to bust rocks. If someone is mining away I try to avoid them best as possible, especially a newer player. They usually get the hint and move on when they need to unload their cargo, they move to another belt. The only exception would be a macro (and I know who they are in my area) in that case, I mine everything out from under them. IF someone were to warp in and lock on my rock it wouldnt bother me, because Im taking all of them anyway, if you can compete with 2 hulks with 3 T2 lasers and 5 T2 mining drones each go ahead. I wouldn't lock on someones rock if I could avoid it. I would mine around them best as possible. I mine a relatively quiet area (cept for a handfull of macros) so I hardly ever have to use the above examples on anyone. My opinion is, that hulks should not be allowed in higher sec areas, this gives new players the chance to mine and make isk.
Carlisle Veritas	Posted - 2009.03.21 00:18:00 - [49] Got in interesting one that happened to me today. Last night, I scanned out a Grav site with Hemorphite, Jaspet and Kernite (in high sec). I mined most of the hemorphite and then went to bed. I log on today and go back to the site in my hulk. A retty is there mining the jaspet. Doesn't bother me, he scanned the place down and so is entitled to anything he can find. I fly over to the two remaining hemorphite rocks (which he was ignoring for some reason), and start mining. He then gets his drones out and flies over to bump my hulk. Nothing said in local... I didn't say anthing either. This continues until I've mined the two hemorphite roids (he's stopped mining to bump me). I sit there for a while intriged. He starts orbitting me, still says nothing in local. I wonder why he's wasting his time, and not just mining what he wants as fast as he can. He leaves and comes back in a drake, orbits and bumps. Eventually some of my corp mates show up to toy with him. He responds when they taunt him in local by calling us thieves. So I explain I scanned the site down last night, which is why most of the hemorphite was missing when he got there. All was then good and we left. Probably not the ending the pirates were hoping for, but then I'm a nice guy . Still, interesting behaviour in my opinion.
Azirapheal Amarr Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.21 01:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Sushi Chef I think it's safe to say most people who choose the mining life aren't as rude and ignorant as some of the people posting in this thread. Those kinda people are attracted to Empire PvP for a reason. you never know who is reading... i take offence at being likened to a childish cretin. especially from someone that in all likeliness wont leave highsec unless its to go to a 0.0 in safe empire space. ill probably bump into you when you do decide to leave your cocoon, i hope your more courteous and less supercillious when i have you locked down.
tatonka smith	Posted - 2009.03.21 05:38:00 - [51] Run level 3 and 4 missions until you hit a mission with a belt in it. Mine the belt. Invite your corpmates. Ignore the SS belts.
Sushi Chef	Posted - 2009.03.21 06:24:00 - [52] Originally by: Azirapheal ill probably bump into you when you do decide to leave your cocoon, i hope your more courteous and less supercillious when i have you locked down. Don't be so confident I don't have the teeth to fire back. My point is, we are there to make money. Sometimes we mine in Empire for a little peace and quiet from the constant roams and camps of 0.0. You don't make money by being petty selfish little kids.
Sep'Shoni Gallente Carpe Diem inc.	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:58:00 - [53] I solo mine a lot because my corp only has a couple other miners. I'm not going to park on top of you and I'm not going to intentionally mine the rock you've got your lasers on. But if you're sitting in the system's last belt that hasn't been stripped of its veld I'm not giving up getting veld today either. Seems to me good manners create a win-win situation where both parties get to mine the ore instead of wasting time squabbling while someone else comes in and does the mining. Sep'Shoni Newb looking for a home.
Gin'Ja Tamake	Posted - 2009.03.27 21:47:00 - [54] I do a lot of solo and AFK mining and I find that etiquette is in the eye of the beholder. I stay out of the way of mining ops and expect that they'll tear through everything and everyone in their path. Common sense. I know who the macrominers are in the systems I frequent, and expect they'll warp in and target whatever is closer. No point complaining to a bot. If I have time, I capture some timings and file a petition. If someone else starts chewing on one of "my" 'roids, and I'm in a possessive mood, I drop a polite note in local. 6 times out of 10 they're not monitoring. 3 times out of 10 they say "Sorry" and move on. Rarely do I get some who says "tough #$@#, &%%hole!". If I get attitude it's "my bad" for opening my mouth, so I usually mark them as an idiot 10-year-old and let it go. If I find myself chewing on someone else's roid (sometimes it happens - I'm looking at the scan results, not the 'roids themselves) and I notice (or someone calls me on it in local), I move on. Ultimately you can't control how other people play. Just yourself. Etiquette isn't universal (for example, there are a lot of "right" ways to place your cutlery at the end of a meal: tines up, tines down, 12-6 o'clock, 10-5 o'clock, etc. - it depends on where you are, how you were raised, etc.). Now, the other day I had a fun situation. There were two retrievers dumping ore into a can with a Badger doing pick-ups. They were repeatedly 'sharing' my roids and I watched them chewing up the belt for about 30 minutes before I realized they were a macromining team. So, feeling like an adventurous CareBear, I went and got my own cargo-maximized Badger II, pulled up to their can, and took a full load. No reaction. No change in behaviour. No drones. Nothing. So I dropped my load at a local station, waited for the aggro timer to run down, and went back in my Drake. They were still there, and hadn't gone to get an escort. So I did it again. And again. And again....and yes, again. :) I must have taken 90% of their haul before someone got wise and they exited the game. I hope they come back, it was easy (and fun) money. Gin'Ja
Argendta	Posted - 2009.03.27 22:17:00 - [55] Originally by: Gin'Ja Tamake Etiquette isn't universal (for example, there are a lot of "right" ways to place your cutlery at the end of a meal: tines up, tines down, 12-6 o'clock, 10-5 o'clock, etc. - it depends on where you are, how you were raised, etc.). Gin'Ja You creep me out here... Is it okay that such hoi polloi like me, who has no idea how to put tines 12-5 o'clock (whatever it is), are in the same universe as your lordship? :)
Imertu Solientai Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.27 22:22:00 - [56] c) mine the same asteroid as them and invite everyone else in local to do the same. Annoy them until they shoot at you and get concorded.
Gin'Ja Tamake	Posted - 2009.03.27 23:52:00 - [57] Originally by: Argendta Originally by: Gin'Ja Tamake Etiquette isn't universal (for example, there are a lot of "right" ways to place your cutlery at the end of a meal: tines up, tines down, 12-6 o'clock, 10-5 o'clock, etc. - it depends on where you are, how you were raised, etc.). Gin'Ja You creep me out here... Is it okay that such hoi polloi like me, who has no idea how to put tines 12-5 o'clock (whatever it is), are in the same universe as your lordship? :) I take umbrage to your insinuation! When I am finished with a meal I usually indicate it with a belch that could peel the paint off the kitchen door. Which is why I know all the different approaches to aligning your cutlery - helpful (and sometimes stunned) people are always telling me the 'right' way to do it....it's just that everyone has a different definition of 'right'. Kind of like....mining etiquette in EVE... And views on macromining in EVE.... And nerfed Falcons... Noob griefing... 0.01 ISK trading... But we're getting off topic...
Jormungand Altruis Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.28 00:01:00 - [58] Originally by: Argendta Originally by: Gin'Ja Tamake Etiquette isn't universal (for example, there are a lot of "right" ways to place your cutlery at the end of a meal: tines up, tines down, 12-6 o'clock, 10-5 o'clock, etc. - it depends on where you are, how you were raised, etc.). Gin'Ja You creep me out here... Is it okay that such hoi polloi like me, who has no idea how to put tines 12-5 o'clock (whatever it is), are in the same universe as your lordship? :) Personally, I'm wondering how he can put the silverware from 10-5 o'clock. Unless he has some kind of bent silverware or something... -- "Like sending messages in bottles. Bottles with superior firepower."
Bubo Scandinavica Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.03.28 00:09:00 - [59] I usually stay away from mining too close to someone else and esp away from the same rock. But it's not due to etiquette as such, more common sense and maximizing my own gains. I don't gain anything by making other people miffed. I lose time/ore/money by having to micro manage my targets. But since I (and some friends) are n00bs and are GSC mining we'll sometimes end up in a crowd and sometimes RL time constraints make it impractical to setup a new target or move the current one. Then you'll just make the best out of the situation and at least stay off active rocks. But again, it's not a matter of etiquette, it's all about maximizing my own gains.
Rothgar Detris Association of Interstellar Miners	Posted - 2009.03.28 06:18:00 - [60] I sometimes solo mine in my Hulk. If I enter a belt that someone is already in, I usually give them the belt, if others are in easy reach. I was mining a belt the other day and someone in a Coromant thought they could just warp in and start taking my roids (I was mining for a specific ore). I cured hime of that in about 3 minutes, as I simply targeted his roids and didn't leave it for him. As my Hulk has MSM II's with T2 Crystals vs. his (I assume) Miner 2's, it wasn't even close. I didn't feel a single iota of guilt since he came in and just started mining fairly close to me without even a greeting. Lesson: He who has the bigger, better ship makes the rules.

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