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Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.03.19 03:49:00 - [1] GM's have always told me that corp jumping is legal. People can do it daily if they want. They can jump as we can dec them. Who cares that they're using alt trial account placeholders to create the corps and that they jump within minutes of the Concord emails, it's still legal. The newest tactic is create 2 alliances. Once your corp jumps alliances and gets a warning from the GM's for washing the wars off by alliance-hopping, you have to use a new strategy. Keep using the two alliances and just jump between the corps in each alliance. Which I am guessing the GM's are going to say it's legal. Say you decide to waste the ISK for fun and dec both alliances, then they could always do the Eve University trick of lameless and have alt corps in group A declare war on alt corps in group B, then absorb group B corps into the alliance to increase the dec fees exponentially. All the carebears need to do really is link up one alliance to the other and hop corps non-stop. Worse comes to worse, do the Eve Uni scam and wait about 2 weeks for the war fees to skyrocket, and VIOLA! No more wars. Still it's funny to see people spend so much to avoid us.
Crimsonjade Comanche Nation	Posted - 2009.03.19 03:56:00 - [2] Originally by: Nexa Necis Still it's funny to see people spend so much to avoid us. forget how much it cost uni to loose the war dec, but swear the cost was around a bil a week to keep the wars away. Shame to see others ***** out, but seems to be pretty typical tbh
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.19 04:37:00 - [3] I guess everyone has their victory conditions. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2009.03.19 04:41:00 - [4] Heh, would be alot different if the wardec cost were based on the attacker's size rather than the target's size. The loophole you point is nothing new and relies primarily on the atrocious cost of deccing alliances. 'Course, the whole wardec cost mechanic is in place to protect large alliances from the predations of small PvP corps. Unfortunately, it is an encouragement for blob mentality. And quite frankly, it's a steaming pile of bull shiite. If people can form an alliance, then they should have the manpower and funds to protect themselves from a smaller entity. If not, then they shouldn't be an alliance. Simple as that. Instead, we have CCP protecting them in order to prevent logistic routes from being disrupted. F-ing lame. Taxman VII: Kingdom of Vlad
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.19 05:20:00 - [5] Wallet wars! Keep decing them till one of you runs out of isk? NOT a kublai alt. Honest! Also, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down.
Dong Ninja	Posted - 2009.03.19 05:31:00 - [6] The real issue here is, what does Captain Pompous have to say on the issue?
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.19 05:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Dong Ninja The real issue here is, what does Captain Pompous have to say on the issue? Who? NOT a kublai alt. Honest! Also, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down.
Dong Ninja	Posted - 2009.03.19 05:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Dong Ninja The real issue here is, what does Captain Pompous have to say on the issue? Who? Didn't anyone teach you the theme song? ahem Oh it's Captain Pompous, he's here to save the day! He beat his wife, is in for life, And now he's gone away! C and P, you know you love him lots, So get your alts, point out his faults, And take a few pot shots! Oh it's Captain Pompous, vote for him today! The only guy who knows why He himself is gay!
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.19 05:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Dong Ninja Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Dong Ninja The real issue here is, what does Captain Pompous have to say on the issue? Who? Didn't anyone teach you the theme song? ahem Oh it's Captain Pompous, he's here to save the day! He beat his wife, is in for life, And now he's gone away! C and P, you know you love him lots, So get your alts, point out his faults, And take a few pot shots! Oh it's Captain Pompous, vote for him today! The only guy who knows why He himself is gay! I was being ironic NOT a kublai alt. Honest! Also, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down.
Dong Ninja	Posted - 2009.03.19 05:50:00 - [10] Ironic that you meant sarcastic, eh? Eh? Come on, sing the theme song with me!
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.19 05:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Dong Ninja Ironic that you meant sarcastic, eh? Eh? Come on, sing the theme song with me! Actually, that was a futurama... oh nevermind.. No i will not sing that stupid song until Pompous sends me the isk for the 3 babies he abandoned on me. NOT a kublai alt. Honest! Also, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down.
Hepziba Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.03.19 06:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Dong Ninja Ironic that you meant sarcastic, eh? Eh? Come on, sing the theme song with me! Actually, that was a futurama... oh nevermind.. No i will not sing that stupid song until Pompous sends me the isk for the 3 babies he abandoned on me. I gotta give the guy credit for sticking around for the first two.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2009.03.19 06:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Nexa Necis All the carebears need to do really is link up one alliance to the other and hop corps non-stop. Worse comes to worse, do the Eve Uni scam and wait about 2 weeks for the war fees to skyrocket, and VIOLA! No more wars. What has Viola to do with it? Leave the poor girl alone
Moloch Baal Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.19 07:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Nexa Necis Worse comes to worse, do the Eve Uni scam and wait about 2 weeks for the war fees to skyrocket, and LARGE VIOLIN! No more wars.
Lexa Hellfury Oedipus Complex	Posted - 2009.03.19 07:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Crimsonjade forget how much it cost uni to loose the war dec, but swear the cost was around a bil a week to keep the wars away. Shame to see others ***** out, but seems to be pretty typical tbh War decs don't cost anything when they're mutual.
Azirapheal Amarr Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.19 08:17:00 - [16] Quote: A declare war on alt corps in group B, then absorb group B corps into the alliance to increase the dec fees exponentially. then you resort to cost saving tactics. you suicide their ops in fully insured t1 caracals, you attack them regardless and take the sec hits. sure its a pain to grind back up but im gettign heartilly sick of the lack of risk that is becoming too inherent in this game. at least w-space is proving to be fun, they dont seem to realise its only marginally safer than hostile alliance 0.0
Zer'Adul The Exeter Group The Amp Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.19 09:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Nexa Necis GM's have always told me that corp jumping is legal. People can do it daily if they want. They can jump as we can dec them. Who cares that they're using alt trial account placeholders to create the corps and that they jump within minutes of the Concord emails, it's still legal. The newest tactic is create 2 alliances. Once your corp jumps alliances and gets a warning from the GM's for washing the wars off by alliance-hopping, you have to use a new strategy. Keep using the two alliances and just jump between the corps in each alliance. Which I am guessing the GM's are going to say it's legal. Say you decide to waste the ISK for fun and dec both alliances, then they could always do the Eve University trick of lameless and have alt corps in group A declare war on alt corps in group B, then absorb group B corps into the alliance to increase the dec fees exponentially. All the idiots need to do really is link up one alliance to the other and hop corps non-stop. Worse comes to worse, do the Eve Uni scam and wait about 2 weeks for the war fees to skyrocket, and VIOLA! No more wars. Still it's funny to see people spend so much to avoid us. I'll apologize for the minor correction to your post, I detest the word carebear as used in that instance. Most of them are fairly intelligent, and don't resort to something that lame. As for the rest, the situation does sound like it would be deemed legal. Doesn't change the fact that its just flat out lame. Mind you, I'm about as close to carebear as you can get without growing fur and I think its lame as hell.
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.19 10:02:00 - [18] Originally by: Nexa Necis GM's have always told me that corp jumping is legal. People can do it daily if they want. What the ** did you expect them to say? You always sound so suprised when the GMs say that they won't force people to stay in the same corp to be your punching bags. I have no idea why. Originally by:** Queue K'Umber It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
RedSplat Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.03.19 10:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: Nexa Necis GM's have always told me that corp jumping is legal. People can do it daily if they want. What the **** did you expect them to say? You always sound so suprised when the GMs say that they won't force people to stay in the same corp to be your punching bags. I have no idea why. Nexus left waffles to avoid wardec c/d? [i] Ransom List Project: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=999677&page=1
Nadezhda Andropov	Posted - 2009.03.19 11:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Dong Ninja Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Dong Ninja The real issue here is, what does Captain Pompous have to say on the issue? Who? Didn't anyone teach you the theme song? ahem Oh it's Captain Pompous, he's here to save the day! He beat his wife, is in for life, And now he's gone away! C and P, you know you love him lots, So get your alts, point out his faults, And take a few pot shots! Oh it's Captain Pompous, vote for him today! The only guy who knows why He himself is gay! Confirming indeed that I am this person Anyway, I guess it sounds an alright practice to me, though I do like EVE University's tactic I must admit...as Lana said...WALLET WARS! -----------------------------------------------
Aaron Mirrorsaver R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.19 12:04:00 - [21] if youd dec people who wanted to fight maybe you wouldn thave anything to complain about. really awful players. ------ RECON is recruiting
Shaloran Kalior Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.03.19 14:51:00 - [22] Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver if youd dec people who wanted to fight maybe you wouldn thave anything to complain about. really awful players. WARNING WARNING Sarcasm detection failure reaching critical levels! WARNING WARNING To actually make some kind of point related to your first comment...... a) Most people we dec do fight b) You play your game, we'll play ours. The sandbox is big enough for both of us c) As another poster put above, even carebears think this is lame. Post with your main!
Kavu Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.19 14:55:00 - [23] Originally by: RedSplat Originally by: Nexus Kinnon Originally by: Nexa Necis GM's have always told me that corp jumping is legal. People can do it daily if they want. What the **** did you expect them to say? You always sound so suprised when the GMs say that they won't force people to stay in the same corp to be your punching bags. I have no idea why. Nexus left waffles to avoid wardec c/d? c
Deuce Danger	Posted - 2009.03.19 14:57:00 - [24] Hasn't Eve U had a few wars lately? In fact, looking at their killboard it looks like they are currently at war with the priv alliance. So either Eve U isn't raising the war dec costs anymore, or a bunch of people are spending loads of ISK to fight newbies.
Pearre Dash	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:00:00 - [25] Not reading another word until five page E-P story is posted, Nexa! Get on it!!!
sir gankalot	Posted - 2009.03.19 16:54:00 - [26] Originally by: Azirapheal at least w-space is proving to be fun, they dont seem to realise its only marginally safer than hostile alliance 0.0 Don't worry, novelty will wear off fast enough when they find out it's either too hard or not rewarding enough compared to the risks and effort you take. Then you can come whine in "Fix WH space!" threads about the lack of targets
Xavier Sunder	Posted - 2009.03.19 21:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Nexa Necis All the carebears need to do....... There isn't much point in wardecing someone in highsec, IMHO because it is insanely easy to simply ignore it. You don't even have to be as creative as detailed in the OP. Call it carebear land if you like, but it's there for the sizeable portion who want to avoid combat. If highsec decs were crippling, the mega 0.0 guilds would "own" highsec too.
Joe Shooter Thunderstruck.	Posted - 2009.03.19 21:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Xavier Sunder Originally by: Nexa Necis All the carebears need to do....... 0.0 guilds wat ___________
Amy Mouse	Posted - 2009.03.19 21:37:00 - [29] Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Dong Ninja Ironic that you meant sarcastic, eh? Eh? Come on, sing the theme song with me! Actually, that was a futurama... oh nevermind.. No i will not sing that stupid song until Pompous sends me the isk for the 3 babies he abandoned on me. didnt anyone tell you to get treatment for overactive ovaries?
Wynona Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.03.19 22:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Nexa Necis ...Once your corp jumps alliances and gets a warning from the GM's for washing the wars off by alliance-hopping... A little love note about alliance hopping mechanics... The mechanics involved in alliance hopping do exactly as they have been coded to do. I haven't tested this latest patch yet, so it may have changed. Knowing this game, I highly doubt it. Evesearch "iMune Exploit" for more information on this topic. The last few times I looked... the sniffy folks who archive "Eve News' (the place where all unwritten rules get hidden and exploit notifications get posted) have deleted all GM announcements to this Exploit and yet the exploit still existed. Getting a warning for some lame ass lack of programming is pretty much utter BS (and I don't mean Battleship). I haven't been on the test server to see if it's been fixed or if the concord mail reflects any hint of what is and what isn't allowed in the rules of war. I actually have a real life with real interaction (take that you monitor tanned losers!) My point is, the game should be able to do what it can do and does do, without any hidden rules or moral standards imposed upon the players by some group of unconscious twits. If you push The Big Red Button, and it works. Guess what, it works. Who gives a rats if some hall monitor sissy writes you up, tell them to stick and fix it! Live Wrong and Prosper Wyn ~out!
Gallente Citizen1	Posted - 2009.03.19 22:27:00 - [31] Who gets the sympathy, the corp/alliance hoppers or the pirates getting to wardec dirtcheap? Which side is winning? funny bugged ****
Ashley Sky Traumark Enterprises Trans-Stellar Industries	Posted - 2009.03.20 15:35:00 - [32] Originally by: Wynona My point is, the game should be able to do what it can do and does do, without any hidden rules or moral standards imposed upon the players by some group of unconscious twits. If you push The Big Red Button, and it works. Guess what, it works. Who gives a rats if some hall monitor sissy writes you up, tell them to stick and fix it! I remember when you and I tried to warn people about this before, and they stuck their thumbs up you know where and tried to pretend that it didn't exist. Well it still exists. Additionally, I'm disappointed by the lack of creativity by the warring corps. There are other ways to cause a corporation pain than simply declaring war on them. Time to go back to school.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.03.20 15:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Hepziba Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Dong Ninja Ironic that you meant sarcastic, eh? Eh? Come on, sing the theme song with me! Actually, that was a futurama... oh nevermind.. No i will not sing that stupid song until Pompous sends me the isk for the 3 babies he abandoned on me. I gotta give the guy credit for sticking around for the first two. -
Jimmy Kudo Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.20 16:02:00 - [34] hmm yummy war __________________
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.03.20 22:17:00 - [35] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/03/2009 22:18:36 Originally by: Wynona Originally by: Nexa Necis ...Once your corp jumps alliances and gets a warning from the GM's for washing the wars off by alliance-hopping... A little love note about alliance hopping mechanics... The mechanics involved in alliance hopping do exactly as they have been coded to do. I haven't tested this latest patch yet, so it may have changed. Knowing this game, I highly doubt it. Evesearch "iMune Exploit" for more information on this topic. The last few times I looked... the sniffy folks who archive "Eve News' (the place where all unwritten rules get hidden and exploit notifications get posted) have deleted all GM announcements to this Exploit and yet the exploit still existed. Getting a warning for some lame ass lack of programming is pretty much utter BS (and I don't mean Battleship). I haven't been on the test server to see if it's been fixed or if the concord mail reflects any hint of what is and what isn't allowed in the rules of war. I actually have a real life with real interaction (take that you monitor tanned losers!) My point is, the game should be able to do what it can do and does do, without any hidden rules or moral standards imposed upon the players by some group of unconscious twits. If you push The Big Red Button, and it works. Guess what, it works. Who gives a rats if some hall monitor sissy writes you up, tell them to stick and fix it! Live Wrong and Prosper Wyn ~out! iMUNE got judged to be an exploit if your remember. Basicaly this is ANOTHER example of CCP continually dropping the ball on the wardec issue. They were warned running up to and immediately after the "Alliance P" nerfing (by myself and many others) that they were opening up an insanely huge can of worms in their focused and deliberate attempt to shut down the biggest player driven content alliance the game has ever seen. Since then , it has been farce after farce after farce for ccp as they have alternated between scary "off the books" warnings from devs for certain "non exploiters" (you know who you are), to proclaiming EXPLOIT EXPLOIT at something which in reality was no different morally from deccing yourself or alt corp hopping (iMune alliance), to burying their head in the sand, to making vague references to bizarre brain storm sessions they have written donw on the back of a public house napkin (victory conditions lol) CCP is STILL (two years on) left looking like a chubby boy plugging holes in the dyke with his stubby fingers. Its a massive farce, and brings humiliation on CCP and the game EvE in general - when the "spirit of the game" (wot?) can be circumvented so easily. It drives a MASSIVE GOURMET SANDWICH through the veneer of realism in this game, and leaves wranglers "cold hard universe" so discredited its unbelievable the devs can still mutter that phrase with a straight face. In a time when CCP are coming up with innovative ideas, fixing up the bugs, and providing truely interesting new content - It amazes me they cant get their act together and fix this mess. DSIGRUNTLED FROM ROTHERHAM (o)
Nexa Necis The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2009.03.21 00:58:00 - [36] The GM's responded back and they say it's legal. They did say, in some cases it's illegal and those cases are where people jump to cause overview problems and get people killed. I don't have a beef with corp jumping at all. I don't have a beef with hiding in alliances. I have issue with that they created a completely separate alliance in what appears to be for the sole fact of avoiding a war. The 2nd alliance was created minutes after we dec'd their original alliance. They left it, joined the new alliance, now are shuttling members between two corps, one in the first alliance, one in the second. So the IMune thing was declared an exploit, but this is not. Again, if it was completely random corps or alliances that aren't directly involved, meaning, they're legitimately running to a new alliance, then it's all good. This is the same as the corp jumping thing, only on a grander scale. As far as decing corps that want to fight, I got news for ya, we've dec'd plenty of corps advertising PVP in their corp and player bios and it don't mean a thing. You rack up 50 loses in a week, you ain't thrilled to undock anymore and goofy corp jump and alliance exploit moves come into your head.
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.21 04:52:00 - [37] Just stopping by to say hello ... STILL Waiting for the war dec issues to be addressed Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
Major Stallion The Dark Horses W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.03.21 07:40:00 - [38] Originally by: Nexa Necis and VIOLA! No more wars. this?
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2009.03.21 07:48:00 - [39] Originally by: Major Stallion this? At first, I was like "z0mg a 'worlds largest violin' joke", then I was like, Z0MG EVEN BETTAR! pwnz u r -
Ganja Ree Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.21 11:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Deuce Danger Hasn't Eve U had a few wars lately? In fact, looking at their killboard it looks like they are currently at war with the priv alliance. So either Eve U isn't raising the war dec costs anymore, or a bunch of people are spending loads of ISK to fight newbies. Well there was this. But beyond that it's business as usual. Just harder to apply to them. Quote: I feel, I am, I am not. Am I?
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.23 14:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Le Skunk iMUNE got judged to be an exploit if your remember. Basicaly this is ANOTHER example of CCP continually dropping the ball on the wardec issue. They were warned running up to and immediately after the "Alliance P" nerfing (by myself and many others) that they were opening up an insanely huge can of worms in their focused and deliberate attempt to shut down the biggest player driven content alliance the game has ever seen. Since then , it has been farce after farce after farce for ccp as they have alternated between scary "off the books" warnings from devs for certain "non exploiters" (you know who you are), to proclaiming EXPLOIT EXPLOIT at something which in reality was no different morally from deccing yourself or alt corp hopping (iMune alliance), to burying their head in the sand, to making vague references to bizarre brain storm sessions they have written donw on the back of a public house napkin (victory conditions lol) CCP is STILL (two years on) left looking like a chubby boy plugging holes in the dyke with his stubby fingers. Its a massive farce, and brings humiliation on CCP and the game EvE in general - when the "spirit of the game" (wot?) can be circumvented so easily. It drives a MASSIVE GOURMET SANDWICH through the veneer of realism in this game, and leaves wranglers "cold hard universe" so discredited its unbelievable the devs can still mutter that phrase with a straight face. In a time when CCP are coming up with innovative ideas, fixing up the bugs, and providing truely interesting new content - It amazes me they cant get their act together and fix this mess. DSIGRUNTLED FROM ROTHERHAM You're too easy to pick on, El Stinkie. I don't know what's funnier, your bitterness and resentment toward CCP or the fact you're still playing (and paying for) their game. You're like one of those old people that keep reminiscing on how back in the old days a coke cost only a nickle and how the only real wars were the ones you fought in. Tell me granpa Stinkie, tell me how back in your days you and your bravado privateers gloriously ruled teh carebears and how eve was a real sandbox 'cause you were allowed to sh*t on it.
Matrix Skye Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.23 14:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Nexa Necis I don't have a beef with corp jumping at all. I don't have a beef with hiding in alliances. Your above quote made me laugh considering you've always had beef with corp hopping. For once, come clean, just once .

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