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Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.20 12:09:00 - [31] Originally by: Yaggher Xanuben I would kill to get all the people on this planet to only use one and the same browser... be it whatever, IE or FF or Chrome... In developers point of view, that would be heavenly. No it wouldn't. We've already been there — it's called IE4–IE6, and it was hell. No innovation. No development. Unpatched bugs and inconsistent behaviour. Unsupported and undocumented features. Complete creative stand-still that could only be solved by introducing more proprietary ~~security holes~~plugins. What would be heaven for developers would be a common standard DOM API and standard rendering so you knew that your code would work and would produce the same look no matter what. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Grok Enders'mark Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:03:00 - [32] My company has started charging a premium of IE6 compatibility. The hoops one needs to jump through just to get things looking good in that one browser means hours of extra work sometimes. The new Safari beta is great by the way.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:37:00 - [33] Originally by: Jimer Lins When using IE8 (just released today) with the EVE forums, if you quote a post or write one that takes up more lines than the edit text box, each keypress causes the textbox to "hop" back to the top after briefly showing the key typed. Seems to be trying to scroll the textbox up, but each keypress causes it to snap down to show what you're typing, then some script causes it to snap back up. CCP, you aware of this? My suggestion would be to adjust the limitText function, or maybe to remove the onKeyUp() call on the form edit box that invokes limitText(). Just click the compatibility button and teh forums work fine.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.20 13:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Nova Fox Dunno I dont let my coworkers hook thier ipods to charge on my computer anymore (odd out of 200ish people and Im like one of four folks to bring a laptop compliant at the worksite) because most of the time I get more viruses than music from it :( I just find it funny there are people who think the products they support are entirely safe from anything, thing is if there is a will there is a way to that end no explorer or antivirus is going to entirely save you from a very determined underminder. Just that IE explorer has the problem of being popular, its an attention sponge that attracts all sorts of shady people. If either other web browser was as widely as popular they too would suffer from constant security hole poking as well. Features however are something the to upspark compitition and create a persistent drive for better software, If IE explorer was the only explorer in existence we probably never get to see tabbed browsing thats now widely popular in most browsers. Exactly if apple had 90% of market share it would be all about the apple hate same with linux.
Bethulsunamen Viziam	Posted - 2009.03.20 14:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Cypherous Have you considered that the fault may lay with your "just released" browser? TBH i have no idea why people even bother using IE these days its a pile of **e :) Because just like Vista, it ISNT a piece of e.. I've never had a single problem with either Vista nor IE. Never. Tried firefox once, hated it. Frankly it seems like most people are just going with the flow on the whole "microsoft sux!" train just to seem 1337 and enlarge their e-peen, while there in fact isnt anything wrong with their software compared to all the other there is (linux, ubuntu, firefox, opera etc). Feel free to call me an idiot, i stand by my opinions. Comedy grammar fail is fail at comedy..**
Gefex Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.20 14:38:00 - [36] Originally by: Bethulsunamen Because just like Vista, it ISNT a piece of **e.. I've never had a single problem with either Vista nor IE. Never. Tried firefox once, hated it. Frankly it seems like most people are just going with the flow on the whole "microsoft sux!" train just to seem 1337 and enlarge their e-peen, while there in fact isnt anything wrong with their software compared to all the other ** there is (linux, ubuntu, firefox, opera etc). Feel free to call me an idiot, i stand by my opinions. Microsoft don't suck as a whole, they have made some amazing breakthroughs, .NET/C# being major ones. But their browser team sucks hard, people spend days (read, me on a daily basis) building hacks into their websites to make them work in buggy Microsoft browsers. There IS things wrong with their software, its just you don't notice them because muggins here spends his days trying to devise ways around huge gaping bugs for the clueless masses who still insist on using crap like IE6...'Because it just works' .. ahhh
Vall Kor Minmatar ZipZoom Kaboom	Posted - 2009.03.20 14:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Cypherous Have you considered that the fault may lay with your "just released" browser? TBH i have no idea why people even bother using IE these days its a pile of ****e :) Actually, IE8 passes the ACID2 test. It doesn't pass ACID3, but neither does FF. It's also a lot faster to render the EVE forums than IE7 or FF from what I'm experiencing. Give it a try, you might be surprised at how well it works. I'm enjoying it. It's a Microsoft product, no one will admit to liking it!
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.20 14:42:00 - [38] Originally by: Gefex Originally by: Bethulsunamen Because just like Vista, it ISNT a piece of **e.. I've never had a single problem with either Vista nor IE. Never. Tried firefox once, hated it. Frankly it seems like most people are just going with the flow on the whole "microsoft sux!" train just to seem 1337 and enlarge their e-peen, while there in fact isnt anything wrong with their software compared to all the other ** there is (linux, ubuntu, firefox, opera etc). Feel free to call me an idiot, i stand by my opinions. Microsoft don't suck as a whole, they have made some amazing breakthroughs, .NET/C# being major ones. But their browser team sucks hard, people spend days (read, me on a daily basis) building hacks into their websites to make them work in buggy Microsoft browsers. There IS things wrong with their software, its just you don't notice them because muggins here spends his days trying to devise ways around huge gaping bugs for the clueless masses who still insist on using crap like IE6...'Because it just works' .. ahhh IIRC, when Windows 7 comes out we should see some nice changes since IE will no longer be a part of the OS and will be another app just like all the other browsers. We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
Bethulsunamen Viziam	Posted - 2009.03.20 14:47:00 - [39] Edited by: Bethulsunamen on 20/03/2009 14:47:54 Originally by: Gefex Originally by: Bethulsunamen Because just like Vista, it ISNT a piece of **e.. I've never had a single problem with either Vista nor IE. Never. Tried firefox once, hated it. Frankly it seems like most people are just going with the flow on the whole "microsoft sux!" train just to seem 1337 and enlarge their e-peen, while there in fact isnt anything wrong with their software compared to all the other there is (linux, ubuntu, firefox, opera etc). Feel free to call me an idiot, i stand by my opinions. Microsoft don't suck as a whole, they have made some amazing breakthroughs, .NET/C# being major ones. But their browser team sucks hard, people spend days (read, me on a daily basis) building hacks into their websites to make them work in buggy Microsoft browsers. There IS things wrong with their software, its just you don't notice them because muggins here spends his days trying to devise ways around huge gaping bugs for the clueless masses who still insist on using crap like IE6...'Because it just works' .. ahhh lol mindless masses.. Right.. I stand by my e-peen observation. Comedy grammar fail is fail at comedy..**
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.20 14:56:00 - [40] I should have known better than to post something like this- I only wanted to bring it to CCP's attention. But the zealots always have to start their little holy wars, and they drag their fanboy mouthbreathers out from both sides to **** up the whole thread. This isn't about what browser's better. I really don't give a diseased rat's ass if you use IE or not, or even if you like it. If you use telnet and manually type HTTP protocol commands (yes, you can do it, yes I know how), then go for it, nobody cares. I just was pointing out an issue, and I've followed up with CCP in an email, so this can now be closed as it's not going to go anywhere but further down the drain. For those of you who offered helpful/constructive points (the compatibility mode tip especially), thanks. Corp killboard-How to Kill Logoffskis
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:09:00 - [41] BTW, if you are bashing IE 8 and using anything other than Chrome, you fail. http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/03/chrome-is-the-only-browser-left-standing-in-pwn2own-contest.ars We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:34:00 - [42] Originally by: digital0verdose BTW, if you are bashing IE 8 and using anything other than Chrome, you fail. http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/03/chrome-is-the-only-browser-left-standing-in-pwn2own-contest.ars I would if chrome could correctly render 90% of the websites i visit.
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: digital0verdose BTW, if you are bashing IE 8 and using anything other than Chrome, you fail. http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/03/chrome-is-the-only-browser-left-standing-in-pwn2own-contest.ars I would if chrome could correctly render 90% of the websites i visit. I'm not sure when the last time you used Chrome was, as I know there were numerous issues, but after dropping it about 4 months ago I picked it back up a few weeks ago and I havent had a single issue with any sites I have been to. We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:06:00 - [44] Originally by: digital0verdose BTW, if you are bashing IE 8 and using anything other than Chrome, you fail. http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/03/chrome-is-the-only-browser-left-standing-in-pwn2own-contest.ars I'll stay smug since Opera wasn't even mentioned, and since it wtfpwns Chrome in every way… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Callista Sincera	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:08:00 - [45] Originally by: Jimer Lins Give it a try, you might be surprised at how well it works. I'm enjoying it. Sure. You might also be surprised about a lot of other things. For example, why your modem is dialing a ****ty payline and why you have to go through an advocate to get your 60Ç back. Given, that was years ago when they thought it would be cool to allow <embed> on .exe-cutables without any sort of user consent. Sure, nobody will exploit that.. no... Microsofts first priority has always been the elimination of competition, not releasing a safe product. I don't see that this has changed.
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Tippia I'll stay smug since Opera wasn't even mentioned, and since it wtfpwns Chrome in every wayà Opera wasn't mentioned because no ones uses it. http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0 http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:21:00 - [47] ITT: Just because its not a ms product people think the programmer is not trying to find a way to extract marketable information off your browsing habits. Clue for the kids. They are all out to get you. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:27:00 - [48] Originally by: digital0verdose Originally by: Tippia I'll stay smug since Opera wasn't even mentioned, and since it wtfpwns Chrome in every way… Opera wasn't mentioned because no ones uses it. http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0 http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp That's ok. I've come to accept that most people are about as clever and discerning as a pile of bricks. Just because a hundred trillion flies seem to think it's a good idea doesn't mean I'll start eating fecal matter… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:29:00 - [49] Originally by: Zeba ITT: Just because its not a ms product people think the programmer is not trying to find a way to extract marketable information off your browsing habits. Clue for the kids. They are all out to get you. Next on the news: Viruses infecting browsers for market manipulation by adding counterfeit browsing habits. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Zeba ITT: Just because its not a ms product people think the programmer is not trying to find a way to extract marketable information off your browsing habits. Clue for the kids. They are all out to get you. Next on the news: Viruses infecting browsers for market manipulation by adding counterfeit browsing habits. Lmao. I guarantee someone is working on that as we type. Eve market manipulators got nothin on their real life counterparts. Real life money gets you rl hookers and blow. All the iskies get you are some 2d exotic dancers and crash. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:34:00 - [51] Screw IE and go Firefox ---
Some Advisor	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:36:00 - [52] Originally by: Jimer Lins Cool. ACID3 is pretty punishing. what happens to the old times where everyone just enjoyed some acid? oh wait.. hmm nm :(
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Some Advisor Originally by: Jimer Lins Cool. ACID3 is pretty punishing. what happens to the old times where everyone just enjoyed some acid? CCP decided it was outdated and decided to stop supporting it. Time to upgrade… …wait, what? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.20 18:49:00 - [54] Originally by: Tippia That's ok. I've come to accept that most people are about as clever and discerning as a pile of bricks. Just because a hundred trillion flies seem to think it's a good idea doesn't mean I'll start eating fecal matterà Fair enough, but using a comparison like that makes me think you are the worlds most intelligent fly which in no way competes with the intelligence of the worlds most inept human. In short, you think your above typical society but your comparison completely disproves it. We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.
themule Insane Decision	Posted - 2009.03.20 19:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Zeba ITT: Just because its not a ms product people think the programmer is not trying to find a way to extract marketable information off your browsing habits. Clue for the kids. They are all out to get you. ITT: People who don't understand what OSS is.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.20 20:09:00 - [56] Originally by: themule Originally by: Zeba ITT: Just because its not a ms product people think the programmer is not trying to find a way to extract marketable information off your browsing habits. Clue for the kids. They are all out to get you. ITT: People who don't understand what OSS is. Right right I understand what it is. Still doesn't change the fact the crafty people can and will try to undermine it and filch your personal data. And when I said programmers I wasn't necessarily talking about the ones programing the browser code. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.03.20 20:09:00 - [57] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Cypherous Have you considered that the fault may lay with your "just released" browser? TBH i have no idea why people even bother using IE these days its a pile of ****e :) Actually, IE8 passes the ACID2 test. It doesn't pass ACID3, but neither does FF. It's also a lot faster to render the EVE forums than IE7 or FF from what I'm experiencing. Give it a try, you might be surprised at how well it works. I'm enjoying it. Doesn't take away from how much of a security liability IE always is just because of how integrated with the OS it is, i'll stick to safer browsing even if it is maybe like half a second slower Nor the fact that IE doesn't support AdBlock.
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.03.20 20:10:00 - [58] Originally by: Cypherous Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Cypherous Have you considered that the fault may lay with your "just released" browser? TBH i have no idea why people even bother using IE these days its a pile of ****e :) Actually, IE8 passes the ACID2 test. It doesn't pass ACID3, but neither does FF. It's also a lot faster to render the EVE forums than IE7 or FF from what I'm experiencing. Give it a try, you might be surprised at how well it works. I'm enjoying it. Doesn't take away from how much of a security liability IE always is just because of how integrated with the OS it is, i'll stick to safer browsing even if it is maybe like half a second slower Nor the fact that IE doesn't support AdBlock. The only thing I use IE for is downloading firefox.
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.03.20 20:12:00 - [59] Originally by: digital0verdose BTW, if you are bashing IE 8 and using anything other than Chrome, you fail. http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/03/chrome-is-the-only-browser-left-standing-in-pwn2own-contest.ars I would use chrome if it supported AdBlock.
digital0verdose Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.20 20:13:00 - [60] Originally by: Caldari Citizen4714 I would use chrome if it supported AdBlock. Now I will give you that. AdBlock is king. We could keep talking about this all day but you're too busy reading my sig instead.

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