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Meatball Enema	Posted - 2009.03.20 11:54:00 - [1] Hi, I'm a little new at eve, with 7m skill points. Now I know that I will be taking everything I can out of charisma, but are there any other attributes I should be sacraficing to bolster another? I've been told to put the charisma into intelligence - but are there any others I need to swap? intelligence 7 memory 7 charisma 7 perception 9 willpower 9 Thanks
Ms Delerium	Posted - 2009.03.20 12:25:00 - [2] After Charisma...... Willpower and Memory are the more-useless attributes. Depends on you are combat or industry oriented. Or what you pretend to train next year. 15/9/5/5/5 is the max combo. the 15 should be either Intelligence or Perception. Then you can set other more balanced setup like 12/9/8/5/5 or whatever.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.03.20 15:28:00 - [3] Is there a list of the skills sorted by primary attribute anywhere does anyone know? Thanks SKUNK (o)
Montmorency The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.20 16:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Ms Delerium After Charisma...... Willpower and Memory are the more-useless attributes. cant really say i agree when it comes to willpower. its primary on all t2 ship skills, so far im extremly glad i have high willpower
Fallen Cherubim	Posted - 2009.03.20 16:12:00 - [5] Engineering Mechanical Electronics All use INT as the prime attribute and MEM as the secondary attribute Navigation Uses INT as the prime attribute and PER as the secondary attribute Gunnery Spaceship Command Use PER as the prime attribute and WIL as the secondary attribute As a NOTE the base learning skills all use MEM as their prime and INT as their secondary attribute
Ixion Dracolich Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.20 16:18:00 - [6] 1) Get latest version of Evemon 2) Add a loooong plan (300+ days) 3) Select "Optimise attributes" button There you go :)
Meatball Enema	Posted - 2009.03.20 17:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Ixion Dracolich 1) Get latest version of Evemon 2) Add a loooong plan (300+ days) 3) Select "Optimise attributes" button There you go :) Thats bloody brilliant
xMishrak	Posted - 2009.03.20 19:05:00 - [8] Edited by: xMishrak on 20/03/2009 19:11:57 Total attributes are calculated by: (base+implant+learning skills)1+(.02Learning) Sp/Hr is calculated by ((total primary +(total secondary/2))60 Skill* \| Primary/Secondary Corporation Mgmt \| Memory/Charisma Drones \| Memory/Perception Electronics \| Intelligence/Memory Engineering \| Intelligence/Memory Gunnery \| Perception/Willpower Industry\| Memory/Intelligence Leadership\| Charisma/Willpower Learning\| Memory/Intelligence Mechanic\| Intelligence/Memory Missile Launcher Operaton \| Perception/Willpower Navigation \| Intelligence/Perception Science\| Intelligence/Memory Social \| Charisma/Intelligence Spaceship Command I \| Perception/Willpower Spaceship Command II \| Willpower/Perception T2 Spaceship Command includes: Black Ops Command Ships Covert Ops EAS Exhumers Heavy Assault Ships Heavy Interdictors Interceptors Interdictors Jump Freighters Logistics Ships Mauraders Recon Ships Transport Ships Misc: Weapon Upgrades is Perception/Memory Logic Learning Skill is Intelligence/Memory Clarity Learning Skill is Perception/Willpower Infomorph Psychology is Charisma/Willpower I left off Trade because the skills are all over the place in that group. Also didn't get very specific with Industry/Mining.
NUBIARN MAJORITY	Posted - 2009.03.20 22:34:00 - [9] most of these use this or use that skill specs are totally useless imo, read the post above mine, set your remap to match the skills you want to train. After 5 years of training and 1 or 2 skill points collected :p i have revamped for 29 int, 29 mem, and the other ballanced, because well ive run out of spaceshipcommand, gunnery and missile skills to train so i am maxing up my electronics, engineering, omg dre i say it but science and indusrty skills (dont tll ne 1 about the last two ccatagories !!!). So if you are in for the long haul set a goal for a year and max up the 2 appropiate attributes for your skill plan.
Meatball Enema	Posted - 2009.03.21 00:53:00 - [10] I already had an extensive plan in evemon, so I downloaded the latest binarys and ran the optimizer - saved over one month of training out of 10 total months. Not too shabby ;) Thanks guys.

Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.03.21 20:54:00 - [11] Originally by: xMishrak Edited by: xMishrak on 20/03/2009 19:36:11 Total attributes are calculated by: (base+implant+learning skills)(1+(.02Learning)) Sp/Hr is calculated by (total primary +(total secondary/2))60 Skill* \| Primary/Secondary Corporation Mgmt \| Memory/Charisma Drones \| Memory/Perception Electronics \| Intelligence/Memory Engineering \| Intelligence/Memory Gunnery \| Perception/Willpower Industry\| Memory/Intelligence Leadership\| Charisma/Willpower Learning\| Memory/Intelligence Mechanic\| Intelligence/Memory Missile Launcher Operaton \| Perception/Willpower Navigation \| Intelligence/Perception Science\| Intelligence/Memory Social \| Charisma/Intelligence Spaceship Command I \| Perception/Willpower Spaceship Command II \| Willpower/Perception T2 Spaceship Command includes: Black Ops Command Ships Covert Ops EAS Exhumers Heavy Assault Ships Heavy Interdictors Interceptors Interdictors Jump Freighters Logistics Ships Mauraders Recon Ships Transport Ships Misc: Weapon Upgrades is Perception/Memory Logic Learning Skill is Intelligence/Memory Clarity Learning Skill is Perception/Willpower Infomorph Psychology is Charisma/Willpower I left off Trade because the skills are all over the place in that group. Also didn't get very specific with Industry/Mining. Good stuff thanks SKUNK (o)
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.22 03:57:00 - [12] I can't find the "optimise attributes" button. sXe
Jamyl TashMurkon Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.22 08:31:00 - [13] Originally by: Warrio I can't find the "optimise attributes" button. m 2 WHERE THE HELL IS IT ?!?!? and i already remamped and want to see how hard i messed up
Cire XIII Caldari Ever Flow Axiom Empire	Posted - 2009.03.22 12:30:00 - [14] Latest Snapshot binaries on the right hand side .


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