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Jane Indy
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Posted - 2009.03.22 19:23:00 -
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I just ran a few calculations with my buddy and my (arguably crappy) Myrm fitting was no match for the drake, even though the DPS was kind of meh it had a 500DPS permatank in addition to 80k Effective HP. Which totally ****d my 600 DPS myrm with 45k Effective HP with no tank, any good setup suggestions for my myrm? And what BC is a true match for the drake 1v1
-a noob T.T
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Cockadopolis
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.03.22 19:24:00 -
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Harbinger/Cane atleast.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.22 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: ****adopolis Harbinger/Cane atleast.
If they've got slaves, and if the cane starts at optimal, maybe.
Buffer tanked HAM drake is a crazy ship, especially because if you want to attack it in a BC it can use rage HAMs on you for even more damage.
Quote: [Drake, Buffer HAM!] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
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over 600 dps (636 with my skills), 80k EHP __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.03.22 20:02:00 -
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properly skilled and flown hamdrakes have owned me while I've been flying harb's / cane's that I have maxed out skills for, so yeah I would say that a hamdrake up close is pretty nasty
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.03.22 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 22/03/2009 20:12:40 Ya, the Drake is a nasty nasty beast. I've been flying it for a Long Time Now(tm). Even the 5 Ogre Myrm didn't really stand a chance.
-Liang
Ed: Though I do want to point out that it was really hard to kill a pre-nos nerf myrm because I couldn't keep a point on him. I can't count the number of myrms that managed to get away because of that. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 20:44:00 -
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there is simply no bc that can outdamage a good passive drake ....
its damage is crap tough .. but still.
passive shield tanking bcs are over-powered tbh. they stole my sig :'( |
Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.03.22 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 22/03/2009 20:12:40 Ya, the Drake is a nasty nasty beast. I've been flying it for a Long Time Now(tm). Even the 5 Ogre Myrm didn't really stand a chance.
-Liang
Ed: Though I do want to point out that it was really hard to kill a pre-nos nerf myrm because I couldn't keep a point on him. I can't count the number of myrms that managed to get away because of that.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.03.22 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Lowlander no bc that can outdamage a good passive drake ....
its damage is crap
wat
Quote: passive shield tanking bcs are over-powered tbh.
I know right. Can't wait until they put stacking penalties on shield recharge so then no ships in the game can do it, instead of two doing it really well.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started. |
Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.22 21:10:00 -
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Nerf the Drake!!!!!!!1111!!!eleven!111
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2009.03.22 21:35:00 -
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I'd say Pulse Harb and HAM Drake are very close, it would come down to pilot skill and SP most likely...
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Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donęt forget the reach-around.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.22 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Lowlander there is simply no bc that can outdamage a good passive drake ....
its damage is crap tough .. but still.
passive shield tanking bcs are over-powered tbh.
Crap damage and no way to stop the enemy from warping away and no propulsion mod. How exactly is that good?
However the good drakes (Only buffer tank, no crapping arround with SPRs, enough damage mods and tackle), are imo the best 1 on 1 battlecruisers. ---------------------------------------------
Originally by: Neth'Rae Military experts are calling this a troll.
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MalVortex
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.03.22 22:15:00 -
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A properly skilled and fit HAM Drake will eat any other BC alive until you throw slaves into the equation. Its a monster of a ship, and nobody sees it coming. Drake on scanner = lolnewb, rite?
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Lego Maniac
Minmatar Dusty Death Enterprise Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.03.22 22:27:00 -
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you can tank a drake in a myrmidon permanently if you fit it right, but you probably won't kill him
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Seishi Maru
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.22 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: MalVortex A properly skilled and fit HAM Drake will eat any other BC alive until you throw slaves into the equation. Its a monster of a ship, and nobody sees it coming. Drake on scanner = lolnewb, rite?
...or Cyclone
3 med dimin nos 5 425mm II AC 10 MN AB II 1 WScrambler II 1 SBA 1 LSbooster II
PDS II 2 GyroII 1 DC II
3 CCC
If you have a low grade crystal it can tank a drake until downtime. And a proper ham drake (with tackle) will not tank its 420 dps for more than 10 minutes :P
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Dark Blood08
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Posted - 2009.03.22 22:53:00 -
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drakes are great ships but i can and will say this ....the shield power relays that have no stacking penalties..NEED to stay this way...all the people that want the stacking penalties are people that have either lost against a drake or nighthawk in PVP and there complaining because they suck at PVP themselves and cant take the heat of loosing a ship
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Seishi Maru
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.03.22 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Blood08 Edited by: Dark Blood08 on 22/03/2009 23:00:06 drakes are great ships but i can and will say this ....the shield power relays that have no stacking penalties..NEED to stay this way...all the people that want the stacking penalties are people that have either lost against a drake or nighthawk in PVP and there complaining because they suck at PVP themselves and cant take the heat of loosing a ship the drake and nighthawk benefit from these shield power relays thats what makes them great missions ships......so the occasional drake or nighthawk kicks someones butt in PVP ..soo what get over with it..a drake beat you...OH NO damn those shield power relays..grow up people all ya wanna do is nerf whatever cuz you lost or wanna complain
then wait to see how T3 passive tanks handle. There must be a limit on those things. Make their bonus stronger.. but add the stack nerf. So moderate fits are possible but not exagerated ones.
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yrknat
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Posted - 2009.03.22 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Blood08 Edited by: Dark Blood08 on 22/03/2009 23:00:06 drakes are great ships but i can and will say this ....the shield power relays that have no stacking penalties..NEED to stay this way...all the people that want the stacking penalties are people that have either lost against a drake or nighthawk in PVP and there complaining because they suck at PVP themselves and cant take the heat of loosing a ship the drake and nighthawk benefit from these shield power relays thats what makes them great missions ships......so the occasional drake or nighthawk kicks someones butt in PVP ..soo what get over with it..a drake beat you...OH NO damn those shield power relays..grow up people all ya wanna do is nerf whatever cuz you lost or wanna complain
? This is a PvP drake discussion thread. You don't fit SPR's to PvP drakes.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2009.03.22 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Lowlander
passive shield tanking bcs are over-powered tbh.
lol, you fail!
a passive ship can only tank, and thats it. Not overpowerd, just silly as it can do nothign else. You can ignore it in PvP. Its only real use is in PvE.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.03.23 01:04:00 -
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I'm kinda beginning to regret spamming the HAM Drake fit on here a year ago. People have caught on.
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MalVortex
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.03.23 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III I'm kinda beginning to regret spamming the HAM Drake fit on here a year ago. People have caught on.
You can spout good advice on here for all time and nobody will listen. The forums have a memetic thought pattern all their own, and it changes when it sees fit. If I were to blame anywone, I'd blame Rawr and the few others with HAMDrake pvp vids :)
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Eardianm
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.03.23 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III I'm kinda beginning to regret spamming the HAM Drake fit on here a year ago. People have caught on.
Now to dig up my "quit spamming that setup Gyp" message --------------
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Vavrin
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Posted - 2009.03.23 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: Vavrin on 23/03/2009 04:00:03 HAM drakes seem like the best till you see without 2 webs it will do almost no damage to a hac.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.03.23 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Psiri on 23/03/2009 05:35:09
Originally by: Seishi Maru ...or Cyclone
Interesting fit, you'll still die horribly though.
A Drake has 60k EHP and deals 650dps with hobgobs, your Cyclone tanks around 160 permanently (without implants) and deals 400 dps with drones. Your speed will not be enough to reduce his damage significantly as you'll be well within web range. You have less than half of his EHP and you'll both be leaking roughly as much damage into your hulls.
Your Cyclone doesn't even come close to winning.
- As for the Drake it's the most powerful BC, however the Cane's speed advantage makes it a better ship in the eyes of many.
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Originally by: Vavrin Edited by: Vavrin on 23/03/2009 04:00:03 HAM drakes seem like the best till you see without 2 webs it will do almost no damage to a hac.
True, then again show me the BC that beats down a HAC.
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Vavrin
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.23 06:01:00 -
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Myrm>Ishtar Brutix>Deimos Harbinger>zealot etc..
In a close range fight almost always the BC will win hands down. The nano era is over, BC in most cases will crush their HAC counter parts.
There are some cases where the HAC will out do the BC in a role. For instance the Zealot is a better sniper,and no one can hit and run like the vaga.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.03.23 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vavrin Myrm>Ishtar Brutix>Deimos Harbinger>zealot etc..
In a close range fight almost always the BC will win hands down. The nano era is over, BC in most cases will crush their HAC counter parts.
There are some cases where the HAC will out do the BC in a role. For instance the Zealot is a better sniper,and no one can hit and run like the vaga.
Ehrm, what? Are you talking in a general sense or in actual matchups? I'd sure like to see a Brutix that could kick the snot out of a Deimos, although in a purely cost related sense the Brutix is many times more effective at what it does.
The nano era is dead yes but speed is very much relevant still as it allows you to disengage at will, you're not s'posed to operate within scrambler range with an Ishtar and nor will you ever have to unless you get very unlucky.
I'm sorry for asking, but do you have any actual experience flying with and against HAC's?
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.23 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri
Originally by: Vavrin Myrm>Ishtar Brutix>Deimos Harbinger>zealot etc..
In a close range fight almost always the BC will win hands down. The nano era is over, BC in most cases will crush their HAC counter parts.
There are some cases where the HAC will out do the BC in a role. For instance the Zealot is a better sniper,and no one can hit and run like the vaga.
Ehrm, what? Are you talking in a general sense or in actual matchups? I'd sure like to see a Brutix that could kick the snot out of a Deimos, although in a purely cost related sense the Brutix is many times more effective at what it does.
The nano era is dead yes but speed is very much relevant still as it allows you to disengage at will, you're not s'posed to operate within scrambler range with an Ishtar and nor will you ever have to unless you get very unlucky.
I'm sorry for asking, but do you have any actual experience flying with and against HAC's?
I fly almost nothing but HACs and BCs and I tend to agree with him. The advantage of HACs is their mobility (and range), BCs have better damage and tanks (generally) and so in a straight-up fight the HAC is either going to die or warp away.
Deimos v. Brutix is kind of an exception but only because the Deimos has T2 resist bonuses that the Brutix does not, and even then the brutix still has a good chance of winning.
Harbinger toasts a Zealot (range bonus doesn't help you if you have to stay within 24km) and can probably gank a sacrilege. Cane easily beats up a muninn and has a good shot against a vaga, especially if it can finagle a web. etc
Deimos might be able to beat a myrm depending on how it's fit.
Whether BCs are better than HACs in general is up for debate, but in my experience in a straight-up fight, I doubt the HAC is going to win, assuming both pilots are competently skilled and fit. __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lindsay Logan
Originally by: Holy Lowlander
passive shield tanking bcs are over-powered tbh.
lol, you fail!
a passive ship can only tank, and thats it. Not overpowerd, just silly as it can do nothign else. You can ignore it in PvP. Its only real use is in PvE.
lol your right , I think I never made such a foolish comment ^^.
If you use a buffer tanked drake , without speedmod , there is always the chance you get your ass kicked by for instance a harbinger using scorch and hammerhead IIs. Or a brutix that is right on you and has 5 vespa ec-'s on you.
And if your in a 1 v 1 and agree not to warp, wich rarely happens, there isn't a ship better as a purge rigged drake , because it tanks for ever and the other guy will either run out of cap boosters and die or just lose his buffertank... Or you run out of missles :P they stole my sig :'( |
Psiri
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Posted - 2009.03.23 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri In a close range fight almost always the BC will win hands down. The nano era is over, BC in most cases will crush their HAC counter parts.
Yes, HAC's have a better mobility and that is why a BC will never kill a competent HAC pilot unless the BC landed in close proximity and got a point on him. This is why I thought Vavrin's point about HAM Drakes and HAC's to be entirely moot.
Secondly you can't compare a solo BC with a sniper HAC, it's no surprise that a Cane will beat up a Muninn if the HAC wishes to keep a point. They're clearly not intended to be played as such.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis SIRRIUS.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Holy Lowlander
If you use a buffer tanked drake , without speedmod , there is always the chance you get your ass kicked by for instance a harbinger using scorch and hammerhead IIs. Or a brutix that is right on you and has 5 vespa ec-'s on you.
Solution. Fit an MWD. You'll end up being faster than these guys if they are trimarked and you'll have more HP/gank than they do if they aren't
Quote: And if your in a 1 v 1 and agree not to warp, wich rarely happens, there isn't a ship better as a purge rigged drake , because it tanks for ever and the other guy will either run out of cap boosters and die or just lose his buffertank... Or you run out of missles :P
No, anything dealing with shield recharge is left in the realm of PvE. Honestly the Drake makes a fine PvP ship that sports full tackle and a buffer to make most BCs jealous.
The key is you want to shield buffer it, not pretend this is a mission and get your shield recharge mods/rigs to make yourself a comedy death. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2009.03.23 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri
Originally by: Terianna Eri In a close range fight almost always the BC will win hands down. The nano era is over, BC in most cases will crush their HAC counter parts.
Yes, HAC's have a better mobility and that is why a BC will never kill a competent HAC pilot unless the BC landed in close proximity and got a point on him. This is why I thought Vavrin's point about HAM Drakes and HAC's to be entirely moot.
Secondly you can't compare a solo BC with a sniper HAC, it's no surprise that a Cane will beat up a Muninn if the HAC wishes to keep a point. They're clearly not intended to be played as such.
You seem to have messed up your quotes, I didn't actually say that
A competent HAC pilot can still make a mistake - I'll concede that a *perfect* HAC pilot shouldn't die (unless it's a Deimos) - but in any case it's not likely to win in a straight-up tank v. gank situation, which was my point. __________________________________
Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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