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Materia Hunter	Posted - 2009.03.22 22:13:00 - [1] Hoping someone here can offer some pointers, as quite honestly, I suck at this new probing. First off, when I've got 100% signal strength, I can't warp to it. This has happened in multiple systems on different sites, so the only common thing is me: http://s658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/epiclulz_photos/?action=view¤t=probe1.jpg I cant even get a context menu when right clicking the wormhole. I've tried moving the probe about a bit, but no luck. Secondly, I've had sites where the smallest probe (0.25AU) doesn't offer enough strength to pick the site up. I know it's that probe which has it, because I've disabled all others. How do I make probes stronger to find them? http://s658.photobucket.com/albums/uu306/epiclulz_photos/?action=view¤t=probe2.jpg Any tips as to what I'm doing wrong?
Lentor	Posted - 2009.03.22 22:18:00 - [2] you are using only 1 probe for scanning... you have to use 4! only 4 will bring a result you can warp to. if you get 100% with only 1 probe then its a really easy site if you cant get 100% with 4 probes bad luck the site is just to hard to scan.
Kesha Cachet	Posted - 2009.03.22 22:25:00 - [3] You're using too many probes, to begin with. I've never needed more than 4 out to find any site. Have you read any of the guides? Like this one? They should be able to answer a lot of your more practical questions. Finally, even when you have all the right equipment, some sites will just elude you without sufficient skills. Keep working up your skills and keep trying.
Materia Hunter	Posted - 2009.03.22 22:25:00 - [4] Originally by: Lentor you are using only 1 probe for scanning... you have to use 4! only 4 will bring a result you can warp to. if you get 100% with only 1 probe then its a really easy site if you cant get 100% with 4 probes bad luck the site is just to hard to scan. As I understand it, the red circle is where the site could be. If this is the case, then the 0.25AU probe is fully covering this area where it could be. This is where I don't understand it. If the red sphere has 100% coverage, why isn't the result 100% findable? Thanks
Kesha Cachet	Posted - 2009.03.22 22:34:00 - [5] A red circle means that two of your probes are covering the site, which is believed to be located somewhere along the surface of the plane defined by the circle, or perhaps on its circumference, I hear both theories. Shift-click to move your whole probe array so that all of them cover the entirety of circle and that should bring you more accuracy for the next step. Once you start getting point hits, shrink and move in one step at a time till you get your 4 probes hitting at 100%.
Materia Hunter	Posted - 2009.03.22 22:36:00 - [6] Apologies, I meant red sphere - not circle. I forgot about that little thing
Sinchai N'Bien Caldari The Dark Wheel Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.22 22:38:00 - [7] The circle tells you that anywhere on that range from the probe is a signature, with 100% certainty. Now, you need to localize it further - put probes around the signature, so that there is always overlap between the circle and the outer probe. You should now get a circle - Two probes have found a sig at x and z range, and those ranges overlap at the circle. Now, we want to localize it more - add a third probe, which overlaps the circle fully. Where all the three has overlapping ranges, you will get one or several dots showing where it can be - move the third drone to check which one is correct, or add more to cover each spot. After a bit of testing you should get a single spot only. Now, you add the fourth probe - preferably, you should form a tetrahedron with your probes, as this gives you a good coverage of the spot. Voilß, you should now have another 100% sig - if not, move some of your probes and scan again.
Fox Ogmo Net 7 The Last Brigade	Posted - 2009.03.23 03:16:00 - [8] With all the information available about probing, this can only be, yes, trolling....
Blue Dice Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.23 09:34:00 - [9] Quote: As I understand it, the red circle is where the site could be. If this is the case, then the 0.25AU probe is fully covering this area where it could be. This is where I don't understand it. If the red sphere has 100% coverage, why isn't the result 100% findable? Thanks Ok... basic course in 3d geometry... While this red sphere tells you that the sind is inside of it with 100% certanty.. where would you warp to in a sphere of 0.2 AU? Thats actually quite a bit of space! You need 4 probes to cover the actual spot in order to get a SINGLE POINT to warp to. (You can do it with 3 if they are all on the exact same plane as the site, but seen the huge distances even with 0.25 AU this is nearly impossible)
Jint Hikaru Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.03.23 14:23:00 - [10] 1st thing you have to understand is that each probe reports back a distance of how far the signal/site is from the probe. So for one probe you get a sphere - the site is somewhere on the surface of the sphere. For two probes you get a red circle - all the point where the two distances from two probes meet can be anywhere on that circle. For three probes you end up with two red dots. These are the two points where the three distances from the three probes meet. This is why you need four probes in 3D space to 'triangulate' the position of a site. If you think about it, its pretty simple really. You just then need to narrow the range of the probes down so then can focus in on the aproximate position of the site. My Advice, read a couple of the guides (there are plenty out there), then Youtube a vid of someone doing it... there are a number of those out there too. Then go out in HighSec, and practice. Thats what I did. NOTES: OH, Some sites wont ever get to 100% even with your probes at 0.25AU if your skills are not high enough. Move on to next site and make a note to skillup a bit more. If you get a green warpable hit, and there is nothing there when you warp to it.... this is a known bug. Simply move your probes everso slightly and rescan, then rewarp to the green hit. (do not recall your probes untill you are at the site and have bookmarked it, in case of this bug) Good Hunting. Jint ------------------------ Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager "I've got a couple of Strippers on my ship... and they just love to dance!" ------------------------
ollobrains2 Gallente New Eve Order Holdings	Posted - 2009.03.23 15:14:00 - [11] dsp probes get a nerf next week suggest everyone stocks up on grav rigs and implants
Murasaki Ryujin	Posted - 2009.03.23 16:33:00 - [12] Originally by: ollobrains2 dsp probes get a nerf next week suggest everyone stocks up on grav rigs and implants What? I just be able to use them by then.

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