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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.23 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 23/03/2009 00:37:41
METAGAMING INCLUDED WARNING!
Some of you may remember the first battle of Tama last week http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1023815 where we tried and failed to take down a Caldari Alt Corps Small tower, any hows we had a great weekend last weekend and were looking to do the same. However the Caldari Alt corp had other ideas and under our very noses replaced the small with a large and put some guns on it.
"Arggggggg", I hear you say, "Thats just not cricket". So we put up a tower of our own in Tama (we don't need alt corps we want the fight). And expected some action.
However our "intel" told us the Caldari were forming up in Nourv (high sec) to head to OMS and take down a -Dark pos. So we got ready to gank them a few of them as they passed through Tama on their way to OMS.
So we got our intel/spy into position. And joined the Caldari fleet. Getting into the fleet was quite hard (for some people) as the FC and others were "screening" the X's in militia chat. But my intel/spy was a well respected member of the militia, many kills had been in for many months (apart from the alliance tourney where he flew for WOLFY, oh yeah and the bio that reads "EVILS SYNNS SPY ALT!") But anyway I was lucky enough to be given Wing Command, how sweet! So I was all ready to tell my guys where we were aligning and when we were being warped, allowing us to gank 1 or 2 that "NEVER" align (always drakes for some reason).
But this fleet is BIG and VERY BATTLESHIP HEAVY! However the FC sent us through high sec. WE WERE NOT AMUSED. 2 hours we sat waiting for them to come in to tama and fight a few of them on the nourv gate. But no they went 4 jumps towards the other way into Black Rise. NOT HAPPY we started moving out of tama and go roaming.
Then we turned back at pace and headed to TAMA! I was like OMG whats the hurry. We got ready again. However the FC pulled a fast one and jumped us into Tama while we were still grouping and ganging. He ordered the support to the Kedama gate (which I was Wing Command for). and I waited and watched the BS (40ish) warp towards our POS!
I then got told.. YEAH THEY ON THE POS! So as wing command it was my duty to warp the support to the POS to help our battleships (I'm talking caldari here). 
So the support arrived not long after the BS's arrived. And we manned the guns. And started shooting.
Much fun was had as they (caldari) figured out that I was a spy, who by this time logged off (not giving them my lovely leadership bonus and reducing lag).
However there were lots of them and only 14 WOLFY in fleet, most of us using the guns. They were able to warp in and out, so we got some guys out of the bubble in their ceptors to point as much as possible. But it was close, they might get our warp dist. batteries down.
Then the calvary arrived. local pirates (who shall remain nameless unless they wish to name themselves) arrived in ceptors.. I was like WTF? Then seconds later even more Caldari starting dieing, our primaries were dieing before the guns got to them. Fighter bombing we guessed, and we got everyone back in the shields.
The caldari that died did the best thing they could, left got other ships to bring back and let their BS out. However not many BS escaped. We lost 2 BS (one my other other alt, I ordered back into the shields but he flew out the other side <FAIL> and a SB Phoon who just wanted to). Caldari.. BIG LOSSES.
We cleared the field, GF's in local. I don't think the spy did much apart from confuse you when the support arrived. Lag was very good!
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.23 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 23/03/2009 00:38:22
So we sitting playing around as we do, and in comes the Caldari FC from earlier and he has another fleet with him. Smaller this time (not a POS take down). One of the WOLF's wasn't on for the POS fight wanted nay I should say needed to get some kills and undocked a Dread for LULZ. The caldari gang jammed him and he got ****ed and went into seige, nearly insta popping the Caldari BS all sitting at 0.
We get our points around, the Caldari FC docks.. (way to go FC, shout primaries and don't agress yourself) should be willing to die with your fleet. Anyways, we clear the field as more and more caldari's arrive (likely with the promise of a dread kill) but they all die (except that stabbed raven.. I need to have words with you dude).
So I'll put the score as 1-1 our weekend this one, yours last one.. Round 3? Same time next week.
Great fights (wins and loses) metagaming just adds to the fun!
EVIL SYNNs
CEO WOLFY
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Jones Bones
Tipping the Velvet
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Posted - 2009.03.23 01:10:00 -
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TLDR version?
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Sir Elliot
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Posted - 2009.03.23 02:54:00 -
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TLDR version:
Evil Synn got an alt as head of a Wing in a Caldari fleet. Before the BSs launched against the POS he wing warped all the support ships to 0 on the POS (they were supposed to warp to a gate). A group of pirate allies was there with intys waiting to tackle, since they knew a bunch of targets were en route due to meta gaming.
The support ships (remote rep, anti-tackle, etc) got severely shredded.
Wraith of Fenris (WOLFY) is allied with SniggWaffe (SWIGG), a fail fleet of pirates that lost 2 carriers to a FW fleet of caracals.
The gunners then used the meta information to take down all remaining ships that were remote repping (since they had access to fleet info and fleet comms), and the caldari fleet was only able to take down 1 of the 2 POS warp disruption batteries.
Hope that helps.
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6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries
The Boat Violencing Initiative
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Posted - 2009.03.23 03:20:00 -
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<3 Evil.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.03.23 04:30:00 -
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 Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
So we got our intel/spy into position. And joined the Caldari fleet.
One of the huge reasons FW stopped being fun. The constant stupid spy faaggotry used by both sides.
Taxman VII: Kingdom of Vlad
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chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.03.23 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
So we got our intel/spy into position. And joined the Caldari fleet.
One of the huge reasons FW stopped being fun. The constant stupid spy faaggotry used by both sides.
And this is different from the rest of eve how exactly? Just look at the whole BoB/Goon fiasco.
Note that I dislike spying myself, but there's no way around it, it exists in real human politics, so it makes sense that it's allowed.
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blkmajik
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.23 05:10:00 -
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if you can't beat em, cheat like mad and get all your friends to do all the work for you! spoken like a true gallente 
but you do have to admit its kinda funny.... the first battle the frogs win in a long time, and its the only battle where they can hide behind a shield the entire time 
cant wait for round 3
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.23 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
So we got our intel/spy into position. And joined the Caldari fleet.
One of the huge reasons FW stopped being fun. The constant stupid spy faaggotry used by both sides.
And this is different from the rest of eve how exactly? Just look at the whole BoB/Goon fiasco.
Note that I dislike spying myself, but there's no way around it, it exists in real human politics, so it makes sense that it's allowed.
Because in the rest of EVE, you aren't forced to use public channels that any random idiot can put a spy into, and you can actually do something about the spies.
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.23 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: chatgris
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
So we got our intel/spy into position. And joined the Caldari fleet.
One of the huge reasons FW stopped being fun. The constant stupid spy faaggotry used by both sides.
And this is different from the rest of eve how exactly? Just look at the whole BoB/Goon fiasco.
Note that I dislike spying myself, but there's no way around it, it exists in real human politics, so it makes sense that it's allowed.
Because in the rest of EVE, you aren't forced to use public channels that any random idiot can put a spy into, and you can actually do something about the spies.
Confirmed, faction warfare pilots cannnot use a secure ventrillo, operate as corporation or create intel channels.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.23 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: MirrorGod
Because in the rest of EVE, you aren't forced to use public channels that any random idiot can put a spy into, and you can actually do something about the spies.
Confirmed, faction warfare pilots cannnot use a secure ventrillo, operate as corporation or create intel channels.
Not without defeating the whole point of FW: open, unrestricted PvP. If you close it all off and operate just like a normal corp, what's the point? And more importantly, isn't it kind of a concession that CCP's intent of using FW to introduce new players to PvP kind of a failure when all the new players are stuck in their separate FW world from all the veterans and their private channels/corps/etc?
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2009.03.23 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Originally by: MirrorGod
Because in the rest of EVE, you aren't forced to use public channels that any random idiot can put a spy into, and you can actually do something about the spies.
Confirmed, faction warfare pilots cannnot use a secure ventrillo, operate as corporation or create intel channels.
Not without defeating the whole point of FW: open, unrestricted PvP. If you close it all off and operate just like a normal corp, what's the point? And more importantly, isn't it kind of a concession that CCP's intent of using FW to introduce new players to PvP kind of a failure when all the new players are stuck in their separate FW world from all the veterans and their private channels/corps/etc?
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome my killboard stats are
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Ladel Teravada
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.03.23 07:54:00 -
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Way to go Wolfy. Its good to see our guys get slaughtered like that when they refuse to listen to me.
Why anyone would bother sieging a pos in FW (alright, we did it once but we knew exactly what we were dealing with and far away from blob-country), especially a large deathstar type pos, is just... I don't get it. So you warp to a pos and try to shoot it just to get massacred everytime because your pilots can't rr, you don't have enough battleships and fifty other reasons... WHY?!?!
Just leave the ****ing poses alone already.
Also, about spies: I find it a bit gay myself and would never use it, but I see no problems with others using it. You just have to be a bit careful won't you.
Commodore Ladel Teravada
Executive Officer, Fleet Operations
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.23 08:43:00 -
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I always wanted to warp a hostile fleet to a death star since like week 2 of FW when a fleet I was in was warped to a waiting Pirate POS in Old Man Star (Beyond's I think). Was a clever move then, and if I'm not mistaken the FC for that fleet was the SPY!
But yeah taking on a POS in FW is silly espically when they knew we were in system and they should have known we can man the guns. However if you just wanted a fight, it was rather awesome.
As for the anti spy (against FW's ideas) I think the blobs that are in FW are against FW's ideas. If there were 3-10 men roaming around looking for plexes, getting fights against other 3-10 men gangs it would be a perfect world (WOLFY only has 40 members which many are alts and its rare we have 10 people on at one time).
TL;DR WAR IS GREAT
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
I think the blobs that are in FW are against FW's ideas. If there were 3-10 men roaming around looking for plexes, getting fights against other 3-10 men gangs it would be a perfect world
(PERVS only has 50 or so active members of which many are alts and its rare we have 15 people on at one time)
Kekekekeke. Also, I dislike POS crap more than pretty much anything. There's little point to having a POS in lowsec system with stations.
On a further note, mad props to INVICTA. for doing their spectacular hotdrop in OMS. Had a fair share of fun there.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: Unfamed II
Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
I think the blobs that are in FW are against FW's ideas. If there were 3-10 men roaming around looking for plexes, getting fights against other 3-10 men gangs it would be a perfect world
(PERVS only has 50 or so active members of which many are alts and its rare we have 15 people on at one time)
Which goes to show the two highest killing corps in the Caldari v Gallente war are also 2 of the smallest. You don't need a massive fleet to get a fight, you just have to be clever.. or in Pervs case .. smack until the enemy loses it and warps in anyways!
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:20:00 -
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Nahh...getting ppl to hate us gives them a bigger reward when they kill us. Sort of. 
Oh well, well done in Tama and that just shows how stupid those evil towers are.
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Unfamed II
On a further note, mad props to INVICTA. for doing their spectacular hotdrop in OMS. Had a fair share of fun there.
Indeed. Our little wolfpack had lots of fun cathing stragglers in system, especially those warping to escape the big blob fight. As one Cadre member (or was it PERVS) said, it was a drive-in restaurant of kills.
Then when it was all said and done, going to that minor plex in Deven and humiliating a fleet of 40 odd gallente because as usual, they had 3 incursus frigates against our rifters, coercers and merlins
And I thought the weekend would be boring and yes, POS warfare in FW is something to avoid....
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Flashh Gorden
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.03.23 12:33:00 -
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No offence to Wolfy but im sure if we were to hang around OMS or Tama killing noobs all day long we would have just as many if not more kills than yourselves.
We do have one or two members who get there kicks on the FW highway between Tama-OMS but the rest have been busy taking all your systems.
The sooner the militia fleets wake up and start avoiding OMS and Tama the better.
All your doing in this system is providing targets for pirates and buffing the KB stats of a few pvp corps.
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oodin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.03.23 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Elliot
TLDR version:
Evil Synn got an alt as head of a Wing in a Caldari fleet. Before the BSs launched against the POS he wing warped all the support ships to 0 on the POS (they were supposed to warp to a gate). A group of pirate allies was there with intys waiting to tackle, since they knew a bunch of targets were en route due to meta gaming.
The support ships (remote rep, anti-tackle, etc) got severely shredded.
Wraith of Fenris (WOLFY) is allied with SniggWaffe (SWIGG), a fail fleet of pirates that lost 2 carriers to a FW fleet of caracals.
The gunners then used the meta information to take down all remaining ships that were remote repping (since they had access to fleet info and fleet comms), and the caldari fleet was only able to take down 1 of the 2 POS warp disruption batteries.
Hope that helps.
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Droog 1
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Posted - 2009.03.23 13:04:00 -
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Excellent work and a great story. I liked the part where you warped the support on top of the POS.
Squids complaining about metagaming and the CAIN guy saying 'We could be as good as you but we prefer plexing in Destroyers' is hilarious. Squid tears are delicious. Keep up the good work.  |
EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.23 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Flashh Gorden
No offence to Wolfy but im sure if we were to hang around OMS or Tama killing noobs all day long we would have just as many if not more kills than yourselves.
We do have one or two members who get there kicks on the FW highway between Tama-OMS but the rest have been busy taking all your systems.
The sooner the militia fleets wake up and start avoiding OMS and Tama the better.
All your doing in this system is providing targets for pirates and buffing the KB stats of a few pvp corps.
Taking system = waste of time.
I mean I play eve for one reason and one reason only. TO MAKE SURE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A WORSE DAY THAN ME and you taking system don't even register on me, sorry.
Just to clear up a few things..
12 WOLFY PILOTS TOTAL of which 2 were AFK.
PIRATES did not come till about half way through (they were 7 jumps away when you came into Tama)
I warped the support fleet to the POS only after your Battleships arrived as I was expecting the fleet to head to OMS.
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Draco Rosso
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Posted - 2009.03.23 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
Originally by: Flashh Gorden
No offence to Wolfy but im sure if we were to hang around OMS or Tama killing noobs all day long we would have just as many if not more kills than yourselves.
We do have one or two members who get there kicks on the FW highway between Tama-OMS but the rest have been busy taking all your systems.
The sooner the militia fleets wake up and start avoiding OMS and Tama the better.
All your doing in this system is providing targets for pirates and buffing the KB stats of a few pvp corps.
Taking system = waste of time.
I mean I play eve for one reason and one reason only. TO MAKE SURE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A WORSE DAY THAN ME and you taking system don't even register on me, sorry.
Just to clear up a few things..
12 WOLFY PILOTS TOTAL of which 2 were AFK.
PIRATES did not come till about half way through (they were 7 jumps away when you came into Tama)
I warped the support fleet to the POS only after your Battleships arrived as I was expecting the fleet to head to OMS.
The Tama wars are an epic waste of time period. Billions of isk were wasted for what a acouple of quick lolz?
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Damar Rocarion
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Posted - 2009.03.23 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: EVIL SYNNs
I mean I play eve for one reason and one reason only. TO MAKE SURE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A WORSE DAY THAN ME and you taking system don't even register on me, sorry.
Capturing systems and ruining peoples days are fortunately not mutually exclusive
Or this one (since I tackled it in mission)
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EVIL SYNNs
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.03.23 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: EVIL SYNNs on 23/03/2009 14:06:52
Originally by: Damar Rocarion
I mean I play eve for one reason and one reason only. TO MAKE SURE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE A WORSE DAY THAN ME and you taking system don't even register on me, sorry.
Capturing systems and ruining peoples days are fortunately not mutually exclusive
Or this one (since I tackled it in mission)
Our third killing in system this month.. JITA. Yeah we do a service to our militias, we help weed out the idiots from each side that don't know they are in a war.
Also, sorted your links
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Yolaris
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:02:00 -
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I have to say it was a very interesting event. I'm sure it was a learning experience for newer players. EVE is about having fun and spending isk... what else is there to do? Make billions and leave your shinny ships sitting in your hangar?
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Tai Paktu
The Scope
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Draco Rosso
The Tama wars are an epic waste of time period. Billions of isk were wasted for what a acouple of quick lolz?
You are doing it so, so wrong.
The only reason to pew pew anything is for fun. There's no overarching strategic goal, no V-Day once you capture all the plexes. It's all about the lulz.
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Draco Rosso
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tai Paktu
Originally by: Draco Rosso
The Tama wars are an epic waste of time period. Billions of isk were wasted for what a acouple of quick lolz?
You are doing it so, so wrong.
The only reason to pew pew anything is for fun. There's no overarching strategic goal, no V-Day once you capture all the plexes. It's all about the lulz.
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I don't care about the rewards unlike most carebears in FW. All I care about is watching the entire Gallente map turn into Caldari blue, where or not the gals will come and fight for their systems makes no difference to me. Wolfy and all the others can stay in tama get all the Lulz they could ever dream off (it's their $15 after all). It's only matter of time before all their bases belongs to us (my $15 dollars at work). Besides I didn't come to eve for a quick lulz. If I wanted a quick Lulz session I play FPS or classic space shooter.
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IronGoldenEagle
Orchestrated Violence
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Posted - 2009.03.24 07:00:00 -
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To say that I advised against this entire op would be an understatement and the many reasons are apparent to any half-competent player. But like I told the peeps planning it either you wont have the DPS to reinforce it in any sort of reasonable time, or Swigg will help them and you will all die. So yeah called it... (and told my corp not to participate lol)
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Vincent Death
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:35:00 -
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Why does every single FW related post on this forum eventually devolve into a plexing slanging match. Either you enjoy plexing or you don't. End of discussion.
As to the OP: I find it quite frankly hilarious. GJ on a well orchestrated gank.
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