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MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:47:00 - [1] What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers my last post about killing noobs
Kavu Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:51:00 - [2] they should stop people who cross post from cross posting
Fourty Niner	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:52:00 - [3] Nothing. Or how about, giving them a free ship if they dock in their pod
MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Kavu they should stop people who cross post from cross posting Much easier then posting it all in here. I needed to divide topics Thanks for wasting space
Eschiava Q Minmatar Blood Money Bootcamp Blood Money Cartel	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:56:00 - [5] Nothing. What they are doing now is just fine.
Kavu Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.23 17:59:00 - [6] Originally by: MeatSlab Originally by: Kavu they should stop people who cross post from cross posting Much easier then posting it all in here. I needed to divide topics Thanks for wasting space thanks for wasting oxygen
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:00:00 - [7] Iz in yur thread, wastin' yur spase =^._.^= Pomp FTW!!!
MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Kavu Originally by: MeatSlab Originally by: Kavu they should stop people who cross post from cross posting Much easier then posting it all in here. I needed to divide topics Thanks for wasting space thanks for wasting oxygen lol dang wasted more space!!! Thanks alot
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:06:00 - [9] Canflipping noobs in noob systems is fine, droping a can on station or blowing up the rats in a starter plex, however, isnt. Though, in hindsight; I really should put in some sort of spacer between my post and signature
MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:16:00 - [10] lol nice

Kavu Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:18:00 - [11] Originally by: MeatSlab lol dang wasted more space!!! Thanks alot but that was the point p.s. no-one cares
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:19:00 - [12] Eve is a harsh world. Best these people learn this lesson early on.
MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Kavu Originally by: MeatSlab lol dang wasted more space!!! Thanks alot but that was the point p.s. no-one cares And you can speak for everyone why... and if don't care so much I expect you wont be replying anymore right?
Kavu Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:27:00 - [14] Originally by: MeatSlab Originally by: Kavu Originally by: MeatSlab lol dang wasted more space!!! Thanks alot but that was the point p.s. no-one cares And you can speak for everyone why... and if don't care so much I expect you wont be replying anymore right? i only have one reply for u take that, stupid head
MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:29:00 - [15] Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 18:29:48 Originally by: Kavu Originally by: MeatSlab Originally by: Kavu Originally by: MeatSlab lol dang wasted more space!!! Thanks alot but that was the point p.s. no-one cares And you can speak for everyone why... and if don't care so much I expect you wont be replying anymore right? i only have one reply for u take that, stupid head lol insane. (last words mine) God your character is ugly
Gin G Halls Of Valhalla	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:32:00 - [16] CCP should give you a free lifetime pass back to WOW eve is a harsh and unfair game you can live with it or leave there is your choises
Kavu Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:32:00 - [17] Edited by: Kavu on 23/03/2009 18:33:35 HA! i win this whole time it was just a ploy to get you to quote the cat! e: QFT Originally by: MeatSlab Edited by: MeatSlab on 23/03/2009 18:29:48 Originally by: Kavu i only have one reply for u take that, stupid head lol insane. (last words mine) God your character is ugly
MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.03.23 18:42:00 - [18] good times. fun stuff nice *****cat
zombeee Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:36:00 - [19] Griefing is against the rules. Griefing gets you banned. Griefing is : "[devoting] his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way." It is griefing to can bait noobs because you cannot make any decent in-game profit from it, and the risk of driving people away from the game is too high. Can baiters in noob systems get banned because it's griefing. How clearer than that can it be?. Do not muddy the argument by pointing to PvP losses or any other PvP activity, because that's not griefing, that's PvP.
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS Band of Bastards.	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:40:00 - [20] Crappy warhol cat is not amused.

Kavu Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.23 19:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Crappy warhol cat is not amused. one step too far man, one step too far
Chancellor Tiberon	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:13:00 - [22] The most you could possibly hope for would maybe be a noob mining system with a weapon dampening field no weapons work lol
Sol'Kanar SRIUS BISNIS Band of Bastards.	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Kavu Originally by: Sol'Kanar Crappy warhol cat is not amused. one step too far man, one step too far Don't be hatin' on my mad copy/paste color balance photoshop skillz.
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Kavu Quote: It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
Adaera	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:34:00 - [25] Originally by: MeatSlab What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers Nothing. ___________________ I for one welcome our new bee overlords
bettybettybettybetty	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:36:00 - [26] Originally by: MeatSlab What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers Make it easier.
Lyris Nairn Caldari Path Of The Cursed	Posted - 2009.03.23 20:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Sol'Kanar With all my Love, 'Little Cinnamon'
Jimmy Kudo Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.23 21:50:00 - [28] I R TROLLZ __________________
Rotting corpse	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:40:00 - [29] Originally by: MeatSlab What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers my last post about killing noobs yo momma Running MEHLottery, contact me by mail for tickets!
Arkon's Rival	Posted - 2009.03.23 22:57:00 - [30] I am having allergy problems, and don't feel to good. But I will say this; This is not Galaxy of Evecraft, newbies have concord, and if they REFUSE to READ things (blasphmay I know, I know!!) then they should get popped like tghe rest of the newbies (and some mining vets) that can't read... GTFO of eve... No preventing the death of Newbies Via Can Baiting FTW

Tadesae	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:01:00 - [31] I like that EVE is the way it is. That said, people who grief other players to feel good about themselves fail at life. They should consider looking for an alternative.
Zeromentor High Flyers Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:06:00 - [32] Originally by: Tadesae I like that EVE is the way it is. That said, people who grief other players to feel good about themselves fail at life. They should consider looking for an alternative. I'd say that people that get griefed and refuse to fight back are the ones that fail at life. If I know my history, and I sorta don't, Sparta griefed Athens, Rome griefed the Gauls (or whatever the Germanic tribes out there were), Iraq griefed the Kurds, and the cycle continues. But whats this? The major players of the world were once griefed people? America? Russia at one point? Britain? FRANCE!?!? I know many people can't fight back, but it's better to go down shooting a wall than to go down on your knees... ______________________________________ *I was going to put a sig here, but I decided having a smaller sig would make it less likely to be hit by people's turrets.*
Zeromentor High Flyers Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Arkon's Rival This is not Galaxy of Evecraft Awesome. Just Awesome. ______________________________________ *I was going to put a sig here, but I decided having a smaller sig would make it less likely to be hit by people's turrets.*
10k1e Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:29:00 - [34] Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 23:30:35 Originally by: Zeromentor Originally by: Tadesae I like that EVE is the way it is. That said, people who grief other players to feel good about themselves fail at life. They should consider looking for an alternative. I'd say that people that get griefed and refuse to fight back are the ones that fail at life. If I know my history, and I sorta don't, Sparta griefed Athens, Rome griefed the Gauls (or whatever the Germanic tribes out there were), Iraq griefed the Kurds, and the cycle continues. But whats this? The major players of the world were once griefed people? America? Russia at one point? Britain? FRANCE!?!? I know many people can't fight back, but it's better to go down shooting a wall than to go down on your knees... you play the freaking game for fun, not to be a bloody hero who dies vastly outnumbered and outskilled shoting a bloody reinforced wall, and never understand wth just happened. they die anonymous, not even mentioned, or mentioned by a c&p selfproclamed pvper who takes credit killing 1 day chars. and when they come to forum, what they hear ? eve is a harsh world, and you should have do down fighting. gee, great. for sure next time they will try to shot with the civilian gun before they are toasted. just give them the speech with 300 spartans, rome, gauls and other ******ed examples wich will surely help them to have fun. how many of you actually try to explained a new player what mistakes he did, or at least point him in direction of eve uni/forum/whatever ? grrrrrrrrrrr bored at freaking work, and eve dont work on remote dsktop :(
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.23 23:35:00 - [35] /trollpaper The following people are NOT my alts. Kublai, Nexus Kinnon, Captain Pompous, Le Poupon, Jack Gates, BallistaII, Kavu, Tara Wilde, Venetian Tar, Asuka Smith and Bai ZongTong. Honest!
Zeromentor High Flyers Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:05:00 - [36] Originally by: 10k1e Edited by: 10k1e on 23/03/2009 23:30:35 Originally by: Zeromentor Originally by: Tadesae I like that EVE is the way it is. That said, people who grief other players to feel good about themselves fail at life. They should consider looking for an alternative. I'd say that people that get griefed and refuse to fight back are the ones that fail at life. If I know my history, and I sorta don't, Sparta griefed Athens, Rome griefed the Gauls (or whatever the Germanic tribes out there were), Iraq griefed the Kurds, and the cycle continues. But whats this? The major players of the world were once griefed people? America? Russia at one point? Britain? FRANCE!?!? I know many people can't fight back, but it's better to go down shooting a wall than to go down on your knees... you play the freaking game for fun, not to be a bloody hero who dies vastly outnumbered and outskilled shoting a bloody reinforced wall, and never understand wth just happened. they die anonymous, not even mentioned, or mentioned by a c&p selfproclamed pvper who takes credit killing 1 day chars. and when they come to forum, what they hear ? eve is a harsh world, and you should have do down fighting. gee, great. for sure next time they will try to shot with the civilian gun before they are toasted. just give them the speech with 300 spartans, rome, gauls and other ****ed examples wich will surely help them to have fun. how many of you actually try to explained a new player what mistakes he did, or at least point him in direction of eve uni/forum/whatever ? grrrrrrrrrrr bored at freaking work, and eve dont work on remote dsktop :( Your right. They should fly in circles or just give up and die... Why shoot at your aggressor when it is so much easier to come on a forum and complain? I tell people how to play, or try to give them helpful adivice. If they get attacked, it's best to fight back with all your might. The "Shooting at a wall" sentence was to show that even no-nothings will try to fight back, and that's better than staring at the screen as the oh so super powerful foe of yours blows you to pieces without resistance from your side... My little history ramble was to show that even the underdogs at some point kicked some MAJOR players in the balls. I have even seen 1-2 month old players in cruisers take down people that know what they are doing thanks to LUCK or some knowledge on thier side (ie, weakness of the ship). The fact that people like you like to complain and tell people "giving up is fine" makes this game alot like what Arkon said, "Evecraft". And boo-hoo, your outnumbered... I see no problem unless they are all griffins or blackbirds, and then, you have time to get some corpmates to help you (or atleast annoy them in some way.) Oh and last, it was like 300 Spartans, and a few thousand other guys... ______________________________________ I was going to put a sig here, but I decided having a smaller sig would make it less likely to be hit by people's turrets.**
10k1e Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:20:00 - [37] Edited by: 10k1e on 24/03/2009 00:25:14 Oh and last, it was like 300 Spartans, and a few thousand other guys... with the best military training availible for them. freaking godlikes in terms on gherilla, warfare, ambuscades, various tactics and handling weapons. they were freaking heavy infantery, or whatever. do you think they read a manual about how to plan a corn field, and after that they go to war ? what training do newbs receive ? tutorial ? yeah, i have a good laugh about it. read my other posts. in absence on a very good documentation about pvp, can flipping and whole other isues, newbs are anal ****d. they need a human trainer to teach them some basics.
Nexus Kinnon Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:39:00 - [38] Originally by: 10k1e Edited by: 10k1e on 24/03/2009 00:25:14 Oh and last, it was like 300 Spartans, and a few thousand other guys... with the best military training availible for them. freaking godlikes in terms on gherilla, warfare, ambuscades, various tactics and handling weapons. they were freaking heavy infantery, or whatever. do you think they read a manual about how to plan a corn field, and after that they go to war ? what training do newbs receive ? tutorial ? yeah, i have a good laugh about it. read my other posts. in absence on a very good documentation about pvp, can flipping and whole other isues, newbs are anal **d. they need a human trainer to teach them some basics. There are various training corps, but really the best training is not to be a **, be friendly & likeable and keep trying to PvP and eventually you'll come across a more experienced PvP'r who is willing to mentor you or help you when you need it. Go out and PvP in lowsec, when you die, ask your killers what you did wrong in a polite way. If they're not ers, they'll probably explain how you could have avoided it etc. Or lurk forums a lot I guess. Quote:** It is unseemly when a player becomes a self-congratulatory poastaholic
Zeromentor High Flyers Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:45:00 - [39] Originally by: 10k1e Edited by: 10k1e on 24/03/2009 00:25:14 Oh and last, it was like 300 Spartans, and a few thousand other guys... (((1)))with the best military training availible for them. freaking godlikes in terms on gherilla, warfare, ambuscades, various tactics and handling weapons. they were freaking heavy infantery, or whatever. do you think they read a manual about how to plan a corn field, and after that they go to war ? what training do newbs receive ? tutorial ? yeah, i have a good laugh about it. read my other posts. in absence on a very good documentation about pvp, can flipping and whole other isues, newbs are anal ***d. (((2)))they need a human trainer to teach them some basics. (((1)))* Oh yeah, I forgot it was so hard for the super soldiers in the American Revolution. Or the People in France with all that money during thier revolution. With all thier SUPER AWESOME training they took on people with more military skills and stratigies and won... (((2))) It doesn't take an intelligent person to read, "Touch this can, you will be able to be killed." does it? I read that message the first time and thought, "Prefect time to see what I'm up against" and quickly learned the weakness of the Ibis to a Hookbill. Sure people won't always learn like this, or know what to fit, or know how to fly against people using certain turrets, ammo, electronic warfare, or missiles, but like I said, it's better to go down fighting, than to stand thier like an idiot and then whine. "in absence on a very good documentation about pvp, can flipping and whole other isues, newbs are anal ***d." And my response would be along the lines of "Warning text box says you may be attacked if you take from this floating space box!" I can see the dangers of the floating space box once I have read the warning. If I am arrogant, and decline to listen, pop goes my ship. If I read it, and take the warning, I will know that someone nearby may be able to attack me. And being in a badger, or bantam or insert mining ship here* I won't be able to fight someone in a fitted PvP ship. It does not take a smart person to soon realize the potential danger of a yellow can in space, nor the danger a nearby person can pose. If I want to click the X and remove the box without reading it, I deserve to be blown to pieces, and same if I feel my super l33t ibis can fight back. Like me, most new players should figure this out fairly quickly. And for those listening in: TL;DR: Newbs can fight back or not touch the yellow cans. ______________________________________ *I was going to put a sig here, but I decided having a smaller sig would make it less likely to be hit by people's turrets.*
10k1e Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2009.03.24 00:59:00 - [40] Edited by: 10k1e on 24/03/2009 01:04:26 yeh, can flippers are friendly and pleasent people usually. sudently is about me ? :)) eventual check when this alt was made it, and multiply with 2 the time for my main if i recall corectly. /tinfoil. in another post i said newbs probably have probably no problem losing ships when they are going pvp. they have problem when they lose things without any ideea what just happend. and they should have an ideea of what just happend when they finish ingame tutorial. i dont have any problem with killing 1 day old players, if they would know what they did. a lots of them dont, and just rage quit. i feel sorry for them trully. like i said, i "trained" and got some friends in game, wich with a proper tutorial and expalnation they did really good. problem is i spent prolly 1-2 weeks to teach one of them basics of eve. basics. nothing fancy. people with "eve is a harsh world" in their mind, should get at least one of their rl friend in game, and teach him some all around eve stuff, maybe that way you will realize how much they need to learn, and how much they add to sandbox, even if they are only kills on a killboard in the begining. at least they died knowing what they did, and you can have a good laugh about it. Like me, most new players should figure this out fairly quickly. yeh, cause you, me, darius, shrike are a standard in mmorpg human behaivor. if i can do it, all can do it.

Zeromentor High Flyers Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:36:00 - [41] Ok 10k1e, I'll put this more bluntly. If a newb does something stupid, they deserve to lose thier ship. If they /ragequit then we have one less whine to hear once they are gone. If they ride it out and learn a lesson (As we all have done, or else we would be WoWing it) then they may stay, and thier experience will have less explosions (unless they want it). The fact is, the warning box is there for a reason. If a new person won't read it, or clicks it off before trying to, they will learn the lesson very quickly that "stealing" can get you killed (and by "stealing", I mean taking from a yellow can or wreck). The "They stole my can" is beaten by "Don't use jetcans." The "I didn't read the warning" shows your intelligence level. The "I didn't know", "I wasn't told", or "I was not warned" is once again beaten by the warning box of text, with all those terrible letters and words. Yes I know, I to am mad that CCP hasn't beamed information into our heads, but what can you do? I wasn't attacking you directly, but I was attacking the OP's question, and some of what you said. Newbs have a fair warning. I don't like how newbs are picked on, but they must learn some way. I believe it is called Adaptation? Or evolution, or some other word that means "You don't learn, you die". ______________________________________ *I was going to put a sig here, but I decided having a smaller sig would make it less likely to be hit by people's turrets.*
Spec'Ops Zealot Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:44:00 - [42] zeromentor is wrong we need less warnings and more pew pew pew if you agree send me 3 mill! but yea nubs need les wanrings and more tutorails. if we dont get all the warnings then we can just have fun! but we all pay 15 bucks a months so we can play however we want
Zeromentor High Flyers Sev3rance	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Spec'Ops Zealot zeromentor is wrong we need less warnings and more pew pew pew if you agree send me 3 mill! but yea nubs need les wanrings and more tutorails. if we dont get all the warnings then we can just have fun! but we all pay 15 bucks a months so we can play however we want Um... What? I agree with the very bottom line. That's all your getting out of me. And I also think you should read all that I posted, or I can put up a TL;DR for you if give ME 3 mil, ... Joking, don't send me 3 mil... ______________________________________ *I was going to put a sig here, but I decided having a smaller sig would make it less likely to be hit by people's turrets.*
Rivur'Tam the united	Posted - 2009.03.24 01:57:00 - [44] Killing noobs is a good thing all i wanted to do was kill rats until my cruiser got popped followed by my pod its wat brings alot of noobs into pvp plus the hate mail and tears are awesome
3Bird Gallente Star Fox Corp.	Posted - 2009.03.24 02:16:00 - [45] ummmm as for the "how many newbs do you explain what they did wrong" a good 20% of my kills under 3 months get an evemail from me saying what they did wrong, and if they ever want to fly with me they are welcome, those are the 20% of newbs who have balls and dont hesatate to lock load and fire. the other 80% need to learn that auto in lowsec is dumb (and if they head done the tutorials they would know this) simply, those that put the time and effert into not being dumb as ****, ill help out, those that dont put the time in deserve every podding they get. as for what should ccp do to make griefing newb charas harder, what the hell else can ccp do bar making them invunrable for 10days, they tell you 3 times at least how not to be D.A.F, they give you a free ship when you make a mistake and get popped, hell they even tell you to join a player corp so you can learn the game faster. Fly Safe and Good Hunting.
MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.03.24 03:15:00 - [46] Edited by: MeatSlab on 24/03/2009 03:15:01 Bravo... thanks for everyone opinions. Keep them coming
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.24 03:43:00 - [47] Originally by: MeatSlab Edited by: MeatSlab on 24/03/2009 03:15:01 Bravo... thanks for everyone opinions. Keep them coming Your an ass. Helpful? The following people are NOT my alts. Kublai, Nexus Kinnon, Captain Pompous, Le Poupon, Jack Gates, BallistaII, Kavu, Tara Wilde, Venetian Tar, Asuka Smith and Bai ZongTong. Honest!
MeatSlab	Posted - 2009.03.24 03:49:00 - [48] Edited by: MeatSlab on 24/03/2009 03:49:45 Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: MeatSlab Edited by: MeatSlab on 24/03/2009 03:15:01 Bravo... thanks for everyone opinions. Keep them coming Your an ass. Helpful? not tryn to be. I am thankful. But implying that I am an ass kinda makes you one... I know you are but what am I?
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.03.24 03:50:00 - [49] Originally by: MeatSlab Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: MeatSlab Edited by: MeatSlab on 24/03/2009 03:15:01 Bravo... thanks for everyone opinions. Keep them coming Your an ass. Helpful? not tryn to be. I am thankful. But implying that I am on kinda makes you one... I know you are but what am I? claps brava.. brava.. The following people are NOT my alts. Kublai, Nexus Kinnon, Captain Pompous, Le Poupon, Jack Gates, BallistaII, Kavu, Tara Wilde, Venetian Tar, Asuka Smith and Bai ZongTong. Honest!
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:50:00 - [50] Make it eazer? Allow more War Decz of noob corporationz by small entitiez like Iwant Urstuff Corp? More explozionz in space? Ban the lazt CSM from ever holding office again? My mind shudderz at all the thoughtz running through it. MSC eht ot etadidnac P&C suopmoP niatpaC rof etoV

Venetian Tar Violation of Freedom Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2009.03.24 11:59:00 - [51] Originally by: Iwant Urstuff Make it eazer? Allow more War Decz of noob corporationz by small entitiez like Iwant Urstuff Corp? More explozionz in space? Ban the lazt CSM from ever holding office again? My mind shudderz at all the thoughtz running through it. Please stop with the "z"'s. It's like GoonSwarm have come to c+p now
Grunanca Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:00:00 - [52] Originally by: MeatSlab What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers my last post about killing noobs How about nothing?
Robin Plunder	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:07:00 - [53] Working as intended.
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.24 16:17:00 - [54] Originally by: Sol'Kanar Crappy warhol cat is not amused. LOL! Originally by: Rells First of all, I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls.
Doomicon The Scope	Posted - 2009.03.24 17:59:00 - [55] I am a complete noob! CCP should do nothing! The attraction for me, and most others I talk to who are interested in EVE, or buddies of mine I convinced to leave their current mmo is the lawlessness of the game. The freedom to do just about anything. If I wanted to wander around without a noob care in the world I would play wow.
Stalina Gallente Deep Space Exploration Squad PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:00:00 - [56] Nerf noobs. _________________________________
H Lecter Gallente The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:06:00 - [57] Originally by: Doomicon I am a complete noob! CCP should do nothing! The attraction for me, and most others I talk to who are interested in EVE, or buddies of mine I convinced to leave their current mmo is the lawlessness of the game. The freedom to do just about anything. If I wanted to wander around without a noob care in the world I would play wow. Here's a cookie! Eve is your game, you're gonna enjoy it Originally by: Rells First of all, I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls.
Jaste Eskya	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:23:00 - [58] Yeah its true that the tutorial is a joke, and the learning curve is high. I mean after the tutorial you're just thrown out there with pretty much no direction. But look at how many people play, every one of us had to go through it. Honestly, if that stuff is enough to make you ragequit, this is the wrong game for you, because losing that noob frig is the easiest loss you'll ever have in this game. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Bklyn 1	Posted - 2009.03.24 18:40:00 - [59] Originally by: MeatSlab What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers my last post about killing noobs Somebody seems to have quite the obsession with killing noobs. Why not just get it done with and go down to the local elementary school and beat up little kids already.
Kusum Fawn	Posted - 2009.03.24 22:44:00 - [60] needs more cat.

R4d1o4ct1v3 Caldari MySQL Real Escape String	Posted - 2009.03.24 23:28:00 - [61] Noobs will do stupid things and they will get themselves blown up. This, I would imagine, is probably true for 99% of the EVE population. Just be thankful if you managed to go through that phase while you were still in an Ibis. People that grief noobs and flip cans are kind of pathetic, sure, but really, they are doing a public service... getting the noobs ready to join the real EVE.
Ice Fist Internal Anarchy	Posted - 2009.03.25 04:34:00 - [62] LOL at OP's attamepts to troll the trollers. That said, in reply to the topic, why doesn't CCP roll back all of the soverignty back a few months and give back BoB all their sov 5 const. Why don't they triple the lock times of pirates so only people who want to fight won't get away? Why don't they load teddy bears in my turrets so that when they fire nobody gets hurt? Jesus, how many times must this be discussed. Youre playing the wrong damn game if you want to change the way it is. Thank God for can flippers, otherwise theyre'd be a crap load of really high-pitched voiced four-year olds playing this game when they should be playing something that amounts to the violence of a pillow fight. Get out of our game if you can't handle the heat. Yes, that includes day old noobs. Thousands upon thousands of players had to learn the hard way and on a daily basis there are 40,000 plus people online, so there is nothing wrong with the system. The weak go to WoW and the daring play EvE, that simple.
Cordarouy Pants	Posted - 2009.03.26 14:52:00 - [63] Originally by: MeatSlab What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers They should make the autopilot settings default to "safer" and then also present a popup warning confirming that the player does in fact actually want to go into low sec. Yeah, that's what they should do. They should also present a popup warning to prevent you from accidently stealing from a can that isn't yours. Oh, wait . . .
Melor Rend	Posted - 2009.03.26 16:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Tadesae That said, people who grief other players to feel good about themselves fail at life. They should consider looking for an alternative. Thats why I started to play EVE in the first place! Maybe I won't fail here as badly. But back to topic: I think the current rules are fine as they are. No need to change anything. It's ok if new players get killed here and there - it's never to early to get used to the fact that you're never save and that stupidity/lack of information can and will kill you. Excessive noob slaughter is already forbidden and thats fine. Anything else is not needed. Cheers
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.03.26 17:53:00 - [65] Originally by: Venetian Tar Please stop with the "z"'s. It's like GoonSwarm have come to c+p now Shuttinzie upin. Your viewz have been considered and weighed, your viewz have been tezted, your viewz have been found wanting. What iz it with Goonzwarm anywayz? Firzt they claim to have won eve, then they all start crying like babuzhkaz over a name, claiming everything from their opponentz now have God mode, to their credit card info waz given out. Then they invade see and pee without even a bye your leave with their incredible whine, and no they didn't bring any cheeze and crackerz for uz either. Now your crying about Goonzwarm? Go back to CAOD, maybe there somebody carez about proper spelling and punctuation.?!,;:-_=+zZzZzZ zzzzZZZZZZ zzzzZZZZZ Oopz did I fall azleep there, what am I back in my egg again, where waz my covering fire? I needed that snooze. MSC eht ot etadidnac P&C suopmoP niatpaC rof etoV
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2009.03.26 17:56:00 - [66] Originally by: Ice Fist LOL at OP's attamepts to troll the trollers. That said, in reply to the topic, why doesn't CCP roll back all of the soverignty back a few months and give back BoB all their sov 5 const. Why don't they triple the lock times of pirates so only people who want to fight won't get away? Why don't they load teddy bears in my turrets so that when they fire nobody gets hurt? Jesus, how many times must this be discussed. Youre playing the wrong damn game if you want to change the way it is. Thank God for can flippers, otherwise theyre'd be a crap load of really high-pitched voiced four-year olds playing this game when they should be playing something that amounts to the violence of a pillow fight. Get out of our game if you can't handle the heat. Yes, that includes day old noobs. Thousands upon thousands of players had to learn the hard way and on a daily basis there are 40,000 plus people online, so there is nothing wrong with the system. The weak go to WoW and the daring play EvE, that simple. Snowballz? Not quite Teddybearz but close enough. Ammo that fixez you? MSC eht ot etadidnac P&C suopmoP niatpaC rof etoV
Jim GNARKILL Gnarkill INC	Posted - 2009.03.26 18:08:00 - [67] i like z its such a pointy letter
Imertu Solientai Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.26 18:45:00 - [68] I propose having an automatic 10 mill bounty on anyone under 1 month old.
dibblebill Band of Rebels Overtime Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.26 19:28:00 - [69] Do what my corp does. We see people baiting noobs... They die. I take their can in a frig, they naturally engage for the easy kill. Most leave in a pod shortly after, or don't engage. In which case, I continue to take their bait. SIGNATURE I seem to be having difficulties.
Cyprus Black Caldari Elitist Jerks Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.03.26 21:00:00 - [70] Originally by: Intense Thinker Iz in yur thread, wastin' yur spase =^._.^= This is how you waste space... Ta da!!! ______________ Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

GreenSkies	Posted - 2009.03.26 21:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Cyprus Black Originally by: Intense Thinker Iz in yur thread, wastin' yur spase =^._.^= This is how you waste space... Ta da!!! QFT.
Wyn Pharoh Gallente Crystalline INC Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.03.26 21:53:00 - [72] Originally by: Cordarouy Pants Originally by: MeatSlab What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers They should make the autopilot settings default to "safer" and then also present a popup warning confirming that the player does in fact actually want to go into low sec. Yeah, that's what they should do. They should also present a popup warning to prevent you from accidently stealing from a can that isn't yours. Oh, wait . . . What is this 'low sec' you speak of? Do newbs start in some type of 'high sec' space where they can only be killed without consequence through the fault of their own actions? Really, there should be some type of Concord amongst the Empires to police things in eve. That would help. Oh, wait . . . Not having taken the time to experience the revised "New Player Experience", I would hope that newbs are told to keep their ships FULLY insured and stick to Empire till they can afford the consequences. With the help of others in game, the steep learning curve can be mitigated. Camping and griefing newbs is bannable in this game and this is actually not the case in other PvP MMO's that I have played in the past. Anyone remember camping shards in AC on a PvP server, lol? Smash the State...and Have A Nice Day!!!
GreenSkies	Posted - 2009.03.26 22:10:00 - [73] Originally by: Cyprus Black Originally by: Intense Thinker Iz in yur thread, wastin' yur spase =^._.^= This is how you waste space... Ta da!!! Re-Quoting this.
g0ggalor	Posted - 2009.03.26 22:48:00 - [74] Originally by: Zeromentor Originally by: Tadesae I like that EVE is the way it is. That said, people who grief other players to feel good about themselves fail at life. They should consider looking for an alternative. I'd say that people that get griefed and refuse to fight back are the ones that fail at life. So... Newbs in a bantam trying to earn 10K isk a day should attempt to take out a griefer with their little civilian gun? Honor taking ftw.
Imertu Solientai Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.26 23:55:00 - [75] Originally by: g0ggalor Originally by: Zeromentor Originally by: Tadesae I like that EVE is the way it is. That said, people who grief other players to feel good about themselves fail at life. They should consider looking for an alternative. I'd say that people that get griefed and refuse to fight back are the ones that fail at life. So... Newbs in a bantam trying to earn 10K isk a day should attempt to take out a griefer with their little civilian gun? Honor taking ftw. No. We're saying they should read the tutorial/forums and realise that jet-can mining is REALLY REALLY STUPID!
Casino Alkasar Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.27 05:08:00 - [76] noob != newb So for my taste let em kill noobs till there are no noobs nor more :P _________________ itze mine Rock¦n roll
Ikanden Reiss Caldari Dark Quantum Empire	Posted - 2009.03.27 05:56:00 - [77] or set up a gladiatorial noob arena at the end of the new player experience!! noob darwinism! FTdarWINism!
The Smeegle	Posted - 2009.03.27 16:48:00 - [78] What should be done???? Nothing The vast majority of people that are "Noob killed" or "Griefed" either: 1) Continue to make the same silly mistakes...example: Jetcanning...someone flips can...jetcanning...same person flips can...jetcanning....same person flips can. They make themselves an easy target and either are just lazy and do not want to try and figure out a better way to operate or are morons for thinking that whinning about everything that they do wrong is someone else's fault. 2) They do something really stupid like going into lowsec unprepared or aggroing someone in highsec...they get killed...maybe podded...and then proceed to smack talk, swear, and generally make a complete ass out of themselves. Do they deserve to be griefed? Every opportunity possible! Again, they made the mistake and paid the price. Accept that you made a mistake and learn from it. Losing some ore or a ship and then proceeding to call everyone and the corp's MF'ers and crying a river is pretty pathetic and quite frankly deserves some grief. I will now go back into the woodwork, mopping up all of the tears that are being shed.
Drunk Driver Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.03.27 17:45:00 - [79] Noobs are food.
Buzz Lightqueer DARK HORIZONS EXPEDITIONS	Posted - 2009.03.28 02:49:00 - [80] How about nothing?

Azirapheal Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2009.03.28 11:37:00 - [81] Originally by: MeatSlab Originally by: Kavu Originally by: MeatSlab Originally by: Kavu they should stop people who cross post from cross posting Much easier then posting it all in here. I needed to divide topics Thanks for wasting space thanks for wasting oxygen wonders how big the pyramid of wasted space could get tbh noobs get it easy now, i started with 14k sp. yeah thats right, 14k. and i never got my free 750k sp back from ccp lol dang wasted more space!!! Thanks alot Originally by:* Grohalmatar The proposed changes in the game development forum are obviously a nerf to falcon pilots. However, what they really are is a nerf to falcon alts.
USGAnthrax Omega Sirus Conglomerates Inc KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.28 12:53:00 - [82] Cache cleared.
Stinky McPoopyPants Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.31 23:19:00 - [83] Originally by: Fourty Niner Nothing. Or how about, giving them a free ship if they dock in their pod TH IS IS A N AWES OME ID EA I HOP E TH EY DO T HIS The batteries in your new TI-X30 calculator are capable of recharging by themselves. Do not attempt to replace them. Most importantly, how are you supposed to tell whether this is part of my post or
Evthron Macyntire	Posted - 2009.04.01 00:02:00 - [84] Make can flipping in start systems a bannable offense. Reduce the amount of roids available in starter systems by 50%. Noobs can learn how to play in relative peace. Not enough roids to satisfy carebears need for ore. ------------------------------ Sigs like this.
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.04.01 00:48:00 - [85] This thread needs more noob killing
Robbie Robot	Posted - 2009.04.01 01:44:00 - [86] They get warnings. Perhaps they should have it so that it is impossible to jet a can, unless they go into the options and enable it. Same with stealing. Forget a simple popup that everyone ignores. Make the pop up explain the consequences of it, and tell them that they have to go into options to disable it. That way they can't disable it without reading. Maybe they should give you a test in order to complete the tutorial? "Please read this, there will be a test at the end." I'd make it easy, such as having the answer on the page they are looking at, and a simple question. <this end up>
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2009.04.01 01:50:00 - [87] Originally by: Robbie Robot They get warnings. Perhaps they should have it so that it is impossible to jet a can, unless they go into the options and enable it. Same with stealing. Forget a simple popup that everyone ignores. Make the pop up explain the consequences of it, and tell them that they have to go into options to disable it. That way they can't disable it without reading. Maybe they should give you a test in order to complete the tutorial? "Please read this, there will be a test at the end." I'd make it easy, such as having the answer on the page they are looking at, and a simple question. You do know the more you try and make something idiot proof the more inventive idiots get don't you? The warning is pretty damn harsh as it is, it pretty much says if you do this you WILL get blown up because of it. People ignore that, so its likely that they will just read you one, select the appropriate option that needs to be set, complain on the forums that its dumb that it needs to be set, then complain on the forums that they got their ship blowed up because they didn't know!
Silent Sins Deliciously Vicious	Posted - 2009.04.01 04:16:00 - [88] no nubs in my game dammit, kill em all. ------------------------------ ------------------------------
Sweetpain Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:04:00 - [89] 1. fix the bounty system. 2. not really needed. wanted people that get killed for any reason, should lose their insurance payout. instead the killer get the isk they normally would recieve. and the sum taken of the total of their bounty. and yes let concord start podding people that are wanted, they need isk to!
Rheed We The People	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:27:00 - [90] I am always amazed people can come here and complain about the consequences of their own stupidity. Yes, you are entitled to be stupid. However, it is not a recognized disability and there will be no ramps installed, extra large bathroom stalls, or special parking places created because of your stupidity. ----------------------------------- Look at me! I'm on the INTERNET!!!

De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:34:00 - [91] Since I am feeling very PMS'y at the moment, and I love watching the trolls fly, I suggest: 1. CONCORD response time becomes a random number between 0 and 5 milliseconds/(the security rating of the system). I mean really, if you can't get away in 25 milliseconds, you're doing it wrong. 2. CONCORD gets a 100% speed reducing web (for you math impaired folks, that means you can't move). 3. CONCORD gets a warp scram that essentially melts the warp drive in your ship. 4. CONCORD can pod if you have a sec status of -5.0 or lower. I told you I was feeling ***y. --Vel Originally by:** Tachyon Shade Idealism is what precedes experience. Cynicism is what follows it.
Alowishus the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:42:00 - [92] Quote: What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers I think CCP should take the following measures: 1) Create an area called "high sec" where noob killing is very unlikely 2) Create an area called "low sec" and pop up a warning if any noobs try to enter it /thread /makes fart noise
Tadesae	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:36:00 - [93] Originally by: Imertu Solientai Originally by: g0ggalor Originally by: Zeromentor Originally by: Tadesae I like that EVE is the way it is. That said, people who grief other players to feel good about themselves fail at life. They should consider looking for an alternative. I'd say that people that get griefed and refuse to fight back are the ones that fail at life. So... Newbs in a bantam trying to earn 10K isk a day should attempt to take out a griefer with their little civilian gun? Honor taking ftw. No. We're saying they should read the tutorial/forums and realise that jet-can mining is REALLY REALLY STUPID! Jetcaning is a perfectly legitimate way to mine. The problem is that noobs don't usually take the time to learn what not to do when can mining. If they were paying attention they'd know to expect to have someone flip them and when that happens its time to move on. Keeping the local smack to a minimum never hurts either. In 3 months Jetcan mining I never got flipped once and if I had gotten flipped I wouldn't have been very entertaining anyway. On a side note: I've taken to turning a strip miner off just after I start mining in Hulk and jettison a little Ore for giggles. You'd never know it from C&P but some of you tough guys are pretty dumb too.
Narasmair	Posted - 2009.04.01 18:01:00 - [94] Quote: What do you think ccp should do about preventing noob killers Guns don't kill noobs. Noobs kill noobs. Seriously.. I started three weeks ago today. I saw little messages here and there warning me about low sec space and loot-rights and all that. So far, I haven't even been fired-on by another player. Have I seen the cans around and wrecked ships? Sure.. Have I flown through low-sec space? Um.. sure. I've been ratting in .4 space for the last week. Do I keep one eye on local, another on the target window and another on my ship? Um.. well.. (go with me here) sure. Your gripe has nothing to do with whether it's too easy for people to kill noobs. Your gripe is that people who learn how to play the game have too easy a time punking-out and humiliating morons who never learn. I just quit EQ2 after a few years when I finally couldn't handle just how stupid most players are. Eve's no different and the trail of wrecked noob ships just prove that Darwin was right. The world needs ditch-diggers too, Danny...
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:50:00 - [95] make it so wrecks/cargo cans don't belong to anyone and are freely lootable like salvage ^_^


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