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dropouthighschoolteacher	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:05:00 - [1] Yesterday someone stole salvage from me in high security space. It has come to my attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and IÆd like to take this opportunity to address this issue. I do not feel that I should suffer because of someone stealing my salvage. Losing my salvage was not deemed appropriate in this case. This action should be limited to CCP giving me back my salvage, as you should have done before for others. For those of you wishing to discuss this please use this existing thread on the topic.
Tanith YarnDemon	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:07:00 - [2] Originally by: dropouthighschoolteacher Yesterday someone stole salvage from me in high security space. It has come to my attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and IÆd like to take this opportunity to address this issue. I do not feel that I should suffer because of someone stealing my salvage. Losing my salvage was not deemed appropriate in this case. This action should be limited to CCP giving me back my salvage, as you should have done before for others. For those of you wishing to discuss this please use this existing thread on the topic. If he stole it, you either gave him to much corprights(your fault) or got killrights from him taking it from your jetcan(Your fault and you got a free killmail). If however he salvaged a random wreck in random open space, wheres the issue? It's not yours, nor is it his, especially until it's salvaged. I really don't see an issue.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:08:00 - [3] No one can steal your salvage because you don't own salvage until it's in your cargo hold.
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:09:00 - [4] Edited by: Eventy One on 24/03/2009 14:10:48 Edited by: Eventy One on 24/03/2009 14:10:17 Stealing your loot is one thing .. .. but by international convention, salvage belongs to the person who salvages it. It is this way in EVE and this way by convention on Earth according to the International Law of the Sea. The loot is YOURS The salvage ISN'T
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:14:00 - [5] Salavge is not theft -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Armoured C Gallente Armoured Investments	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:15:00 - [6] i salvage brains this is good enough join from 10,000 isk per share
FingerThief Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:16:00 - [7] Originally by: dropouthighschoolteacher Yesterday someone stole salvage from me in high security space. It has come to my attention that this was not a popular decision among some of our players and IÆd like to take this opportunity to address this issue. I do not feel that I should suffer because of someone stealing my salvage. Losing my salvage was not deemed appropriate in this case. This action should be limited to CCP giving me back my salvage, as you should have done before for others. For those of you wishing to discuss this please use this existing thread on the topic. RTFM http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=330
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:23:00 - [8] Dang, shame I ain't a forum mod. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:26:00 - [9] ibtl ------------------------ Please do not discuss moderation in your sig - Mitnal Sig "moderated" for discussing moderation count: 2
DrefsabZN Caldari Butterfly Effect Corp.	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:33:00 - [10] I could join in with the "Cry more noob" posts but I will be kind and post something constructive. Putting aside the keep an eye on your stuff and protect it even if it means blowing up your own wrecks point there is one thing you can do that has been proven to work, and that is as follows: Moan about it, moan long moan hard, post on the forum's find people who feel the same as you and get them to post as well. Pester the CSM about it, raise petitions about it and just keep on doing this. Why do I say to do this? We because once upon a time loot was classed exactly the same as salvage is now. Anyone could take it and you couldn't say squat about it, it used to be great fun when you found people jet can mining. And these people who had their loot stolen cried. They cried like babies so long and so hard the CCP gave in and changed it so that taking loot is now a criminal offence. From what my foggy booze clouded memory tells me when this was done salvage didn't exist in the game. When salvage was added they didn't include this mechanic with it (probably deliberately). But as this and other past presidents (warp to 0 anyone?) shows if you cry about it long and hard enough they will change it.
Sandor Krejaa	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:36:00 - [11] I don't see an issue here as there is not actually any 'theft'. Unlike other games, you do NOT have exclusive loot rights to NPC 'corpses' and wrecks are similar to wrecks left on the high seas in r/l left in international waters...they are fair game for whoever gets to them first. However, if someone opens the cargo holds of the wrecks and takes the loot, then get themselves flagged, and you and your corp can go after them (they become red flashy to you and your corp for 15 mins). That is your opportunity to take action...CCP intervention is not needed. Salvaging wrecks using salvagers of course does NOT produce a flag, but then again the loot from the wreck is not being 'stolen' as you put it either. shrug..way I see it, you are being too lax about taking care of 'your' wrecks, you don't seem to be acting like they are 'yours' in that you leave them lying about long enough for others to mess with them, and frankly there are some who really dont care about the loot/salavage, they simply want to mess with carebears for the pleasure of watching them complain. You have the power here..do what it takes to salavage those wrecks first, problem solved.
Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:40:00 - [12] The salvage skill should be removed from character accounts that post "salvage theft" threads on the forum. If the player can't understand salvaging, thier character shouldn't be allowed to continue to do it. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic
Mithos Victus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:52:00 - [13] Troll is so obvious I am surprised they were not wearing a name tag when they posted this thread. _______________________________________________ [...a lion lurking in the plain]
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:53:00 - [14] Originally by: dropouthighschoolteacher Yesterday someone stole salvage from me in high security space. In order for this to be true, one of three things must have happened: 1. You placed your salvage in a can and he nicked it, giving you aggression rights. 2. He blew you up and beat you to the wreckage of both ships, giving you aggression rights and killrights. 3. You put up a malformed contract or responded to a scam. In case #1, you could have just shot him (but that would probably have been what he wanted, and he'd come back in something nasty to blow you up without consequence). In case #2, CONCORD has alredy punished him beyond what rights case #1 gives, and in addition, you are free to punish him for the next month. In case #3, it's an entirely working mechanic — check the contract details closely to avoid having stuff stolen from you. If he simply used his salvager on some random wreck you saw and intended to salvage yourself, then no theft took place — he simply beat you to the punch. As such, there is no reason to "reimburse" you with anything since it was never yours to begin with. You never had it, you never lost it, nothing exist to "give back" to you. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Th0rG0d Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:54:00 - [15] Alright guys, lets turn this into a "moan about mods" thread.... CCP, We need Mods in this forum!!! Shut this crap down!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:57:00 - [16] They don't come much more obvious than this. -9001/10 - DesuSigs
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.03.24 14:58:00 - [17] Originally by: Lord Fitz No one can steal your salvage because you don't own salvage until it's in your cargo hold. By this logic, why is stuff inside the wreck (the loot) the property of anyone's? Salvaging and looting should have the same consequences. ------------------------ Please do not discuss moderation in your sig - Mitnal Sig "moderated" for discussing moderation count: 2
Mudad Amarr	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:02:00 - [18] IBTL Seriously, do people ever read more than the title before they write a long serious reply to an obvious troll by a goon alt crying about CCP actions.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:02:00 - [19] Edited by: Tippia on 24/03/2009 15:04:56 Originally by: Gunnanmon Originally by: Lord Fitz No one can steal your salvage because you don't own salvage until it's in your cargo hold. By this logic, why is stuff inside the wreck (the loot) the property of anyone's? Because that wouldn't be the same logic. You activate your weapons on the ship and it blows up → loot is yours. Salvage is created when you activate your salvager on the wreck and it succeeds → salvage is yours. Quote: Salvaging and looting should have the same consequences. They do. Both belong to whoever creates them. If either of them are stolen, the victim gets aggression rights on the thief. The only difference is that it's much harder to steal salvage since it is injected directly into your cargo hold when created, rather than placed in a wreck some distance away. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Gunnanmon Originally by: Lord Fitz No one can steal your salvage because you don't own salvage until it's in your cargo hold. By this logic, why is stuff inside the wreck (the loot) the property of anyone's? Salvaging and looting should have the same consequences. No they shouldnt. Loot is spoils of war, belonging to the victor. Salvage is just space junk, 1st come first serve.
Junko Togawa	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:04:00 - [21] ITT we post about a troll more entertaining than butthurt Goons emoraging over Kenny namechanges. Which isn't saying much. Originally by: Dreximus Originally by: Alowishus These things make the game more exciting overall for people who enjoy risk and the ability to take responsibility for their own safety. At the risk of being cliche, th
Zex Maxwell Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:06:00 - [22] ---
Gunnanmon Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:06:00 - [23] Originally by: Lothros Andastar Originally by: Gunnanmon Originally by: Lord Fitz No one can steal your salvage because you don't own salvage until it's in your cargo hold. By this logic, why is stuff inside the wreck (the loot) the property of anyone's? Salvaging and looting should have the same consequences. No they shouldnt. Loot is spoils of war, belonging to the victor. Salvage is just space junk, 1st come first serve. Ok, sorry. I'm glad we got the rules of space salvage sorted. ------------------------ Please do not discuss moderation in your sig - Mitnal Sig "moderated" for discussing moderation count: 2
Snasty Caldari The Hippies House of Mercury	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:11:00 - [24] LOL best thread today by far.... Dummies debating salvage rights is fantastic, totally missing the point (albeit slim) of this thread. --------------------------------------- -=Snasty, short for Shagnasty ever since the GM's in SWG made me change it...!=-
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:13:00 - [25] Dev reply -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Snasty LOL best thread today by far.... Dummies debating salvage rights is fantastic, totally missing the point (albeit slim) of this thread. Well hey, you have to get some use of those canned-response text files… Just have to remember to edit them to match the content before submitting ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Reven Cordelle Caldari Lemuria Prospecting	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:13:00 - [27] 0/10 - Way too obvious. Especially considering the blatent alt used to post.
Traidor Disloyal Minmatar Private Nuisance Band of Bastards.	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:21:00 - [28] Dead Horse Alert ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it.
Marlenus Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:23:00 - [29] Pretty sure this is a deliberate troll. But, just in case: Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up. Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit. Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing. (These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.) ------------------ Ironfleet.com
Corduroy Rab Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2009.03.24 15:24:00 - [30] Originally by: DrefsabZN I could join in with the "Cry more noob" posts but I will be kind and post something constructive. Putting aside the keep an eye on your stuff and protect it even if it means blowing up your own wrecks point there is one thing you can do that has been proven to work, and that is as follows: Moan about it, moan long moan hard, post on the forum's find people who feel the same as you and get them to post as well. Pester the CSM about it, raise petitions about it and just keep on doing this. Why do I say to do this? We because once upon a time loot was classed exactly the same as salvage is now. Anyone could take it and you couldn't say squat about it, it used to be great fun when you found people jet can mining. And these people who had their loot stolen cried. They cried like babies so long and so hard the CCP gave in and changed it so that taking loot is now a criminal offence. From what my foggy booze clouded memory tells me when this was done salvage didn't exist in the game. When salvage was added they didn't include this mechanic with it (probably deliberately). But as this and other past presidents (warp to 0 anyone?) shows if you cry about it long and hard enough they will change it. ...and then the bait and switch mission runner gank was born, god I love being a guardian pilot in Motsu

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