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Valfort
Caldari
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.03.25 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: Valfort on 25/03/2009 20:43:43
I'm looking on some advice on which ship would be better suited for my low sec general piracy-ish related tasks.
I'm stuck between the Zealot and the Sacrilege, both have their ups and downs:
Zealot: -my laser skills are better than my missiles
-faster, for more hit run type work
-more range
-can't camp gates, (glass cannon setups ftw)
-scared of frigs, they get close and I'm done
Sacrilege: -MUCH tougher with my plated resist setup (about 70k EHP)
-Permaruns everything (including MWD) without boosters
-at least a few drones and a small neut to scare frigs away
-less range and dps
-can't dictate range at all, so if i'm in a fight, i'm stuck in it until the end
Which would you guys think would be better suited, I fly mostly solo but occasionally I do fly with a few people mostly in BCs.
or hell, should I train up for a curse/pilgrim?
Any advice would be appreciated.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.03.26 05:25:00 -
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Well, the Zealot is a support boat. It's quite expensive but due to the ranges of your engagements you shouldn't have to loose it very often if you just stick with a gang at all times. Personally I think it's fairly sub-optimal for anything outside of null-sec, I'd also prefer a Cerb over it.
The Sacrilege can solo very well, however I think the Pilgrim does a better job at that. If you're not sure of what you're doing I'd say you're better off with a Harbinger, assuming that you have the skills for one. If you've got alot of SP in missiles then stick to a Drake.
If you're going to PvP for profit then you have to balance a ship's survivability and killing prowess versus its pricetag. The factors can change substantially if you are flashy red and wether or not you prefer to roam or just stick to your home system.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.03.26 05:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Valfort
-can't dictate range at all, so if i'm in a fight, i'm stuck in it until the end
TBH I find its very rare to be able to run from a fight anyway, and to design a ship to be able to do this is pretty much loose.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.03.26 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Valfort
-can't dictate range at all, so if i'm in a fight, i'm stuck in it until the end
TBH I find its very rare to be able to run from a fight anyway, and to design a ship to be able to do this is pretty much loose.
I actually missed this part of his post, a Sacrilege is still a quite fast ship and needn't get into scram/web range to deliver its damage. It can disengage if needs be most of the time. This is it's main advantage over BC's.
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Mortis Tyrathlion
Amarr
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.26 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Psiri
Edited by: Psiri on 26/03/2009 06:37:54
Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Valfort
-can't dictate range at all, so if i'm in a fight, i'm stuck in it until the end
TBH I find its very rare to be able to run from a fight anyway, and to design a ship to be able to do this is pretty much loose.
I actually missed this part of his post, a Sacrilege is still a quite fast ship and needn't get into scram/web range to deliver its damage. It can disengage if needs be most of the time. This is its main advantage over BC's.
I can never help feeling like this fundamentally misses the point of a Sacrilege... with that kind of toughness, it always screams for a real active tank and HAMs. You want HMs and range, get a damn Cerb...
And it's a little-known fact that a Zealot, when fit right, can outtank either the Harby or the Prophecy, while still outdamaging the Sac. Sure you're stuck with FMPs and only one or two HS, but it's a very viable low-sec ship.
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MalVortex
Reaper Industries
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2009.03.26 08:14:00 -
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Might want to consider the omen navy issue. It flies very similarly to the zealot, but trades the range bonus for a utility high and 25/25 dronebay. This makes drones much less a threat to the NOmen, and base pulse range is still sufficient to meet warp disruption ranges.
NOmen has a worse maximum tank than the zealot, but it can get 30k EHP and a MAR on without trouble.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.26 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: MalVortex
Might want to consider the omen navy issue. It flies very similarly to the zealot, but trades the range bonus for a utility high and 25/25 dronebay. This makes drones much less a threat to the NOmen, and base pulse range is still sufficient to meet warp disruption ranges.
This, essentially. The problem with the Zealot as a pirate ship is that carebears tend to use missiles or drones, and a good Drake or Raven pilot can burn through your tiny buffer before you can get the kill. The Navy Omen gives you more EHP (without sacrificing dps), and a drone bay + neut to deal with those pesky frigates.
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Psiri
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Posted - 2009.03.26 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mortis Tyrathlion
I can never help feeling like this fundamentally misses the point of a Sacrilege... with that kind of toughness, it always screams for a real active tank and HAMs. You want HMs and range, get a damn Cerb...
Wait, I think you're missing the point. An active-tanked sacrilege is still very fast with a MWD.
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Valfort
Caldari
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.03.26 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Valfort on 26/03/2009 14:34:13
I guess the next question is, anyone have a good NOmen setup?
As I think I'll fly my zealot in gangs and the NOmen when I'm hunting solo.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2009.03.26 15:46:00 -
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Or do it at least as well and far cheaper in a Harbinger. More firepower, more buffer.
I'd say HAM-Drake but you seem to be Amarr-specced and, being in DFP I already know that Gypsio will be extolling the virtues of the Drake already!
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