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Haas Tabris
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:22:00 -
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Been thinking about this one for a while, especially after the tier 3 bc's came out that could fit BS weapons....
WHAT IF there were a "light dread" class of ships that was about twice the size and cost of a tier 3 battleship and could fit 2 dread-class weapons but could only fit battleship armor and shield mods? And WHAT IF this ship had a jump drive AND could also jump through gates? And WHAT IF the skills to fly them were not that much more expensive than the BS skillbooks?
I think this would be uber cool. And tons of fun. And might just shake up lowsec and 0.0 fights a bit. But that's me.
Any thoughts? Comments? Trolls? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
679
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:24:00 -
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I've heard worse ideas, but also having a JD would be overkill. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Mirima Thurander
Angels of Valour G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:24:00 -
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no you can bash high sec pos's with BS fleets like the rest of us I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
694
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Posted - 2012.05.01 02:27:00 -
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I'm on-board w/ the light dread. Seems like a natural evolution. There's certainly a roll... glass cannon BS sounds good.
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:05:00 -
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Along with a frigate class that can use mediums right? Personally I wouldn't mind a bs, but you have to admit this particular ship style would be kind of cheesey to use over and over again. "Oh, you can't help that," said the troll: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" -ásaid the forumwarrior. "You must be," said the troll, "or you wouldn't have come here." |
MotherMoon
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:10:00 -
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Actually, this gives me an interesting idea.
Maybe a light dread could be a battleship that can only fit a single dread sized weapon. AND 4 battleship sized weapons. It would only be useful for pvp, but it would be a cheaper way to bring newer players into a siege battle? |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:30:00 -
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The sensible approach would be to build on what we already have. 'New' tier battlecruiser has battleship guns, so a new tier battleship with capital guns seems plausible. A frigate with cruiser guns next!? 0_0 Damn nature, you scary! |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
695
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Posted - 2012.05.01 03:34:00 -
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Well to be fair with frigs they can really be pretty powerful already. Assault frigs and so-forth. Not sure there's a meaningful roll...
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Culmen
Culmenation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:01:00 -
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Or perhaps a BS with a BS sized siege module.
Does everything the Dread sized one does, just on a BS.
So a few light dread battleships warp into on a Dickstar POS in high sec, hit seige and go to town. There is a fine line between a post and a signature. |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:06:00 -
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Seige Mode for battleships would be awesome. |
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:11:00 -
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I would be more for a dread gun using battleship than a siege mode battleship. To me it seems more useful depending on how they are set up, possibly more dead titans we could hope for.
Well, maybe siege mode battleship would be interesting, entire fleet stuck in lockdown then hotdropped, would be a turkeyshoot. |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:21:00 -
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tier 3 BC's was over the line. Next we'll have tankless titans with 8 doomsdays. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
541
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:22:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:no you can bash high sec pos's with BS fleets like the rest of us We have this FC, he loves shooting structures and we're not taking about using X-Large guns either. Oh no, he loves shooting structures the HARD way, with battleships or even drakes. Soon you will fear:
DaBigRedBoat Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:50:00 -
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Gogela wrote:I'm on-board w/ the light dread. Seems like a natural evolution. There's certainly a roll... glass cannon BS sounds good.
No... BCs arent SUPPOSED to have tanks. Thats the the new ones didnt have em. Thats why theyre taking the Drake's away. "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
159
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Posted - 2012.05.01 04:55:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:no you can bash high sec pos's with BS fleets like the rest of us We have this FC, he loves shooting structures and we're not taking about using X-Large guns either. Oh no, he loves shooting structures the HARD way, with battleships or even drakes. Soon you will fear: DaBigRedBoat
Tell him to, "Please remove all the needless abandoned POS in highsec," if he likes it so much. I'm sure many more than I would appreciate it greatly, but not enough to give you 500 mil. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
695
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:33:00 -
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EVE Stig wrote:Gogela wrote:I'm on-board w/ the light dread. Seems like a natural evolution. There's certainly a roll... glass cannon BS sounds good. No... BCs arent SUPPOSED to have tanks. Thats the the new ones didnt have em. Thats why theyre taking the Drake's away. You are on crack. What about the hurricane? BCs have lots of tank for T1 and it is fine... they fit right in there between BS and cruisers. What are you suggesting the Nighthawk and Slipnir get their tanks removed too? That's not even an argument. The new ones don't have tanks simply because of their new DPS potential. It's the give and take we call balance. There shouldn't be a WTF PWN machine... I know some Dram pilots that regularly slaughter BCs. The Drake is fine it just takes time to kill... if a BS is going to get the ability to fit dread weapons a Raven or Domi should be able to out-tank it.
If a BS could have that kind of DPS while maintaining BS tanking ability (like an Abaddon.. man those things are tough) and could have dread guns it would become a silver bullet system and that is not balanced at all.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.01 15:48:00 -
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Haas Tabris wrote: Been thinking about this one for a while, especially after the tier 3 bc's came out that could fit BS weapons....
WHAT IF there were a "light dread" class of ships that was about twice the size and cost of a tier 3 battleship and could fit 2 dread-class weapons but could only fit battleship armor and shield mods? And WHAT IF this ship had a jump drive AND could also jump through gates? And WHAT IF the skills to fly them were not that much more expensive than the BS skillbooks?
I think this would be uber cool. And tons of fun. And might just shake up lowsec and 0.0 fights a bit. But that's me.
Any thoughts? Comments? Trolls?
Possible, but no to having a jump drive.
Cap/Super Cap ships should not have jump drives (or Jump Portals) either, and be forced to travel conventionally, but that is another arguement altogether.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
618
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:00:00 -
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Tier 3 Battleship fitting XL guns; Rohk, Hyperion, Abaddon, Maelstrom. T2 perhaps, so you can't dipshit out and go herp duurrrpppp I fly cheap, therefore I get to bash a POS uber cheap at no cost to me in seconds.
Plus they get a tracking bonus |
Radelix Cisko
The Adjustment Team
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:24:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Tier 3 Battleship fitting XL guns; Rohk, Hyperion, Abaddon, Maelstrom. T2 perhaps, so you can't dipshit out and go herp duurrrpppp I fly cheap, therefore I get to bash a POS uber cheap at no cost to me in seconds. Plus they get a tracking bonus
An XL gun Rokh....that tickles me.
I will leave this right here |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:25:00 -
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xl guns are freaking useless without siege mode or the massive titan damage bonus |
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TWHC Assistant
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Posted - 2012.05.01 16:49:00 -
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CCP has created another special case again with the Tier3 BCs. After Tech3 Cruisers were introduced was everyone wishing for T3 frigates, to T3 battleships, to T3 mining ships. Now you are basically doing the same again and are asking for a copy of the Tier3 BCs.
As much fun as this topic is - I want an Incursus with an XL turrent \o/ - do I only see a small chance of anything similar emerging from CCP soon. They will want to see the full impact of their latest idea first and I am still a bit puzzled by why they introduced these Tier3 BCs. The Tier3 BCs are apparently the new standard in ganking. So for all I know could we get to see a Tier2 Destroyers that can fit medium weapons. We have so few destroyer models and they are used for ganking, too.
Seriously, though. My best guess is that CCP had some good ship models at hand useful for being battlecruisers, but they were afraid of introducing yet another ship with medium guns. We already have lots of T1/T2/T3 cruisers and battlecruisers all with medium guns. I can see how they had this idea of fitting large guns on a third type of battlecruiser.
If there is going to be a new battleship then it will likely come with large guns as usual and Tier3 BCs will stay a special case for a while. One can always fit smaller weapons anyway. |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:03:00 -
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High Damage, Jump Drive, ability to use gates?
Looks like a Black Ops to me.
Dreads sacrifice a lot to get their DPS. Your proposed shiptype would send dreads the way of the EAF. Single-Shard, Player DrivenSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Lucas Schuyler
Mortis Noir.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:10:00 -
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I think this is premature. There is hardly enough of a role for Dreads as is, that I think giving Dread capabilities to a Battleship would kind of undercut Dreads too much.
Dreads moreso than any other Capital really can only be used with specific structures in place of a large Alliance. To me this thread is saying "Hey, we need solo/small gang Dreads." And I am not sure whether that is really appropriate. |
Omu Matol
Repo.
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:11:00 -
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XL sized guns on anything other then a dread, looks either totally bad ass or totally ridiculous, depending on your aesthetic.
http://i.imgur.com/qCT6B.jpg |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
696
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:13:00 -
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I liked the idea of using the Black Ops for this.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:14:00 -
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Closest ship class youre thinking about in real life that was oddly never built is an arsenel ship.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
696
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:29:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Closest ship class youre thinking about in real life that was oddly never built is an arsenel ship. Ahhh... I remember that.
I'm surprised that never came into being too... here's the US version. France and the UK were toying with the idea too...
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3833
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:31:00 -
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BB 72 Loiusana I think was to be the name of ours but it was cancelled. It thoery it would be a nice ship to have to bad it doesnt have enough control links for all of her missiles.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum KUGUTSUMEN.
522
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:35:00 -
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Scrap the jump drive and allow Tier 3 BSs to fit a version of a siege module, would think that would be a easier fix. No need to add more ships. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
197
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Posted - 2012.05.01 17:57:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:tier 3 BC's was over the line. Next we'll have tankless titans with 8 doomsdays.
I'm...
Hmmm...
Why is this ok by me?
...probably cause I've never fought a supercap. Shut up, Degren. . |
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