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Cordele	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Verys Also we have alchemy nowadays to have a maximum cap price. In practice alchemy has done more to increase the price of cadmium (which is used as a substitute for dysprosium) than it has to cap the price of the two major high ends. Before alchemy cadmium was a relatively cheap material. Cadmium moons are now the third most valuable in the game, next to promethium.
Haxelnut Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:33:00 - [32] Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but hasn't the new reactions assisted with this OR is the 10/1 ratio of the new reactions to the standard dysprosium supply thing too exorbitant? Has it just not taken off yet?
Cipher7	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:34:00 - [33] Alliances farm PvPers and use them as meatshields to hog moons. PvPers are thinkin "I got skillz boyeeeee" Alliance boss is thinkin "I just made another 20 bil, lemme sell it and go make my car payment." 6000 people paying $15 for forum access, not to mention attrition, people who leave, new people come in. Someone's doing well for himself. Idiots on eve forum going "Dude, learn to farm level 4's, you can afford t2 ships easily." Here's your sign. This all started way before Goonswarm, before even RA. Before you all go on a socialist rampage, realize this : Incentive is the mother of effort. Running a successful corp/alliance is hard work. Yes the people at the top are getting paid handsomely, but who the f*ck else is gonna fuel the jump bridge? You? So bow your head, pay your tax, pay your rent and quit yer yappin. I will concede this : There should be sources of Dyspro other than 0.0 moons, just for the sake of game enjoyability. More T2 = more fun = more profits for CCP. ---
Cosmo Raata Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Hanneshannes How is cutting down on the amount of Dyspro gonna lower the prices? Last time I checked, if there is too much of smth, it generally becomes cheaper, not the other way around oO I think he's referring to the amount needed to build components. As in if 1 component needs x amount of dysprosium, reduce it to x-90%. I'm beginning to think all intelligence in eve has been lost.... Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr!
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:39:00 - [35] Originally by: Haxelnut Excuse my ignorance on the subject, but hasn't the new reactions assisted with this OR is the 10/1 ratio of the new reactions to the standard dysprosium supply thing too exorbitant? Has it just not taken off yet? That and many other factors really. One that people seem to miss or factor in is that the current war is also cutting into production simply due to moon mining pos getting blown up and the general difficulty of getting stuff out of a warzone from the ones still operating. Also the demand for t2 has risen greatly due to the little buggers dying in the war all the time instaed of sitting safe and sound in a hanger or ratting or missioning. Its just not as simple or easy to 'fix' as the op seems to think. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
IsoMetricanTaliac 2 Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:44:00 - [36] Originally by: FireAnt unless you are a huge alliance you have no chance of having a dysprosium moon. The other three high end are rare but, they arent used in every t2 ships production like dysprosium is. this is just driving the price of t2 ships up. this is hurting pvp, and its not a isk sink, its a just a cash grab by the few alliances able to have the moons. this is why the 0.0 map is getting smaller and smaller, pretty soon these entities will be so big they will swollow up the smaller neighbors and we will have 3 big alliances in eve because they are so rich no one can displace them. ccp needs to remove their heads from their asses and see this is not good for eve. fix overload of dysprosium needed on the t2 component production. Ok I don't know where to start, but here goes. How exactly are CCP going to make sure any extra mooons they change to Dysp are going to be held by small alliances? Is it such a great idea to have CCP policing the distribution of Dysp moons? I am not a big fan of mega alliances but see that as things currently stand there is a place for them & just because they are a big alliance doesn't mean their dysp moons are just theirs. they have to guard those moons with cap fleets/support fleets etc etc so they also don't come FREE, & would dare to say that they may even sometimes cost alliances many billions of ISK to protect & keep hold of. I am getting a feeling that you are either trying to get into T2 production or have recently tried to aquire one of those moons only to end up losing a ship or 20 & have now decided it might be worth trying toget some sort of threadnaught happening to get things changed so you can have things more the way you want them to be. I don't think that is going to work if that is what you are doing & if it isn't well thats what I get for assuming Cheaper ships are always good but not at the cost of one of the draw cards to 0.0 or regulation, it just isn't worth it. CCP may need to tweak some of the moon related mechanics but making sweeping changes that makes dysp cheap aren't good for the game... In a Time When Many Will Seek Death, There Will Always Be Those Like Me Who Won't Mind Helping Them Along Their Way!?!
Serinao Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:46:00 - [37] Pretty simple actually bob lost their moons while goons have taken them, sov isn't high enough for quick jumpbridges to empire to sell it + the focus is more using dysp for our own war efforts atm i can only assume.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:46:00 - [38] Originally by: Cosmo Raata Seriously? Are you that stupid? Yeah, lets celebrate the fact that T2 is too expensive to afford and T3 is beyond expensive. Having all these cool ships to fly in the game is great when they are uber expensive & can't be insured. What could be the reason I must fly a fully insured BS instead of something cool? How about we nerf dumbasses like you? Originally by: Cosmo Raata I'm beginning to think all intelligence in eve has been lost.... I mean really. Just pointing out the red bolded underlined part of your own post pretty much anwers the question of inteligence in eve. Does it really need to be explicitly spelled out to you why t3 at this moment in time is wildly overpriced for what you get? Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:47:00 - [39] I think it would be nice if 0.0 wasn't so stable and the alliances weren't so big, but that isn't something you can magically address. I mean, the same thing occurs in real life, how can you prevent it in a game without curtailing freedom? - DesuSigs
FireAnt Caldari Wings of the Storm	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:49:00 - [40] Originally by: Zeba So if you are our market saviour FireAnt why don't you go and take those moons away from the big bad evil men who have the strength of numbers and infrastructure to properly utilize and defend a good set of moons and so save the t2 market and then be Eve Hero! Oh right you would get blasted at the first gate camp. Whoops now we are going to have a whole new set of whines about big bad men how camp gates ruin the market and so deny rightious citizens of new eve access to the riches in 0.0 that should rightfully be theirs. OK, well that is kind of my point. no one can, and every month they get 10billion x how many moons they hold richer. Brilliant!!!!!!
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:52:00 - [41] Originally by: FireAnt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: FireAnt and for the moron who made the stupid comment about bob. the only reason bob is gone is a stupid exploit that haargoth used to disband them. if not for that, bob would still be sitting there. And all the other alliances who have disappeared would still be sitting there except for people shooting at them. Protip: Not an exploit. oh yeah, you are right it took half of eve after the exploit to remove them and that is after even more could remove them a year ago when sov wasnt stolen from them. you are right If your so sure that an exploit was used and not simply a disgruntled director closing down an alliance then petition it and if your right the said people will be banned and said alliance possibly restored, But as your talking out of your arse you wont and things will stay as they are.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:54:00 - [42] Edited by: Zeba on 25/03/2009 23:54:52 Originally by: FireAnt Originally by: Zeba So if you are our market saviour FireAnt why don't you go and take those moons away from the big bad evil men who have the strength of numbers and infrastructure to properly utilize and defend a good set of moons and so save the t2 market and then be Eve Hero! Oh right you would get blasted at the first gate camp. Whoops now we are going to have a whole new set of whines about big bad men how camp gates ruin the market and so deny rightious citizens of new eve access to the riches in 0.0 that should rightfully be theirs. OK, well that is kind of my point. no one can, and every month they get 10billion x how many moons they hold richer. Brilliant!!!!!! So in effect you want to have all the large groups of people who spent months or even years of hard work and determination to organize, secure and defend a profitable chunk of lawless space to roll over and leave simply because you can't be arsed to make friends and do it yourself. Whelp thats the technical end of this thread then. It might keep going for a while but it'll just coasting on emomentum. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Cosmo Raata Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:54:00 - [43] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Cosmo Raata Seriously? Are you that stupid? Yeah, lets celebrate the fact that T2 is too expensive to afford and T3 is beyond expensive. Having all these cool ships to fly in the game is great when they are uber expensive & can't be insured. What could be the reason I must fly a fully insured BS instead of something cool? How about we nerf dumbasses like you? Originally by: Cosmo Raata I'm beginning to think all intelligence in eve has been lost.... I mean really. Just pointing out the red bolded underlined part of your own post pretty much anwers the question of inteligence in eve. Does it really need to be explicitly spelled out to you why t3 at this moment in time is wildly overpriced for what you get? Seriously, this guy is a complete idiot. Lets ignore the point of what is being said (Lots of cool ships, most are way too expensive) and try to prove that you are smart. East India trading company, where is Captain Jack Sparrow? You catch him yet? What a dumbass. Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr!
Cosmo Raata Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:55:00 - [44] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: FireAnt Originally by: Zeba So if you are our market saviour FireAnt why don't you go and take those moons away from the big bad evil men who have the strength of numbers and infrastructure to properly utilize and defend a good set of moons and so save the t2 market and then be Eve Hero! Oh right you would get blasted at the first gate camp. Whoops now we are going to have a whole new set of whines about big bad men how camp gates ruin the market and so deny rightious citizens of new eve access to the riches in 0.0 that should rightfully be theirs. OK, well that is kind of my point. no one can, and every month they get 10billion x how many moons they hold richer. Brilliant!!!!!! So in effect you want to have all the large groups of people who spent months or even years of hard work and determination to organize, secure and defend a profitable chunk of lawless space to roll over and leave because simply because you can't be arsed to make friends and do it yourself. Whelp thats the technical end of this thread then. It might keep going for a while but it'll just coasting on momentum. NC/PL/Goon/Russian Alt detected!!! Don't Ban me for my Love of Amarr!
Lord WarATron Amarr Shadow Reapers DAMAGE INC...	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:55:00 - [45] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 25/03/2009 23:55:52 Dyso problem is due to T2 demand and that will be resolved with the Alchemy feature when it gets fixed properly and used. Till then, its down to whoever uses the moons, which tend to be big alliances. Not happy about control resting with big alliances who love the high t2 demand? Then just buypass them and plan for t3 insted, since CCP designed that for the small corps in mind. T3 production is out of the hands of big bloated alliances, so small corps or groups can activly settle in WH space and do whatever is needed to procure the resources needed for these ships. With that said, t2 modules still need to be bought though, and CCP need to fix a few t3 bottlenecks, but do not expect the dyso drought to last for too long, since Alchamey will resolve the issue once and for all. -- Billion Isk Mission
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.25 23:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Cosmo Raata Seriously, this guy is a complete idiot. Lets ignore the point of what is being said (Lots of cool ships, most are way too expensive) and try to prove that you are smart. East India trading company, where is Captain Jack Sparrow? You catch him yet? What a dumbass. Omg! You are a brick! So how is your mass media education serving you in real life? Flip burgers much and complain to your coworkers about the price of gas and taco bell burritos? Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
FireAnt Caldari Wings of the Storm	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:01:00 - [47] Originally by: IsoMetricanTaliac 2 Originally by: FireAnt unless you are a huge alliance you have no chance of having a dysprosium moon. The other three high end are rare but, they arent used in every t2 ships production like dysprosium is. this is just driving the price of t2 ships up. this is hurting pvp, and its not a isk sink, its a just a cash grab by the few alliances able to have the moons. this is why the 0.0 map is getting smaller and smaller, pretty soon these entities will be so big they will swollow up the smaller neighbors and we will have 3 big alliances in eve because they are so rich no one can displace them. ccp needs to remove their heads from their asses and see this is not good for eve. fix overload of dysprosium needed on the t2 component production. Ok I don't know where to start, but here goes. How exactly are CCP going to make sure any extra mooons they change to Dysp are going to be held by small alliances? Is it such a great idea to have CCP policing the distribution of Dysp moons? I am not a big fan of mega alliances but see that as things currently stand there is a place for them & just because they are a big alliance doesn't mean their dysp moons are just theirs. they have to guard those moons with cap fleets/support fleets etc etc so they also don't come FREE, & would dare to say that they may even sometimes cost alliances many billions of ISK to protect & keep hold of. I am getting a feeling that you are either trying to get into T2 production or have recently tried to aquire one of those moons only to end up losing a ship or 20 & have now decided it might be worth trying toget some sort of threadnaught happening to get things changed so you can have things more the way you want them to be. I don't think that is going to work if that is what you are doing & if it isn't well thats what I get for assuming Cheaper ships are always good but not at the cost of one of the draw cards to 0.0 or regulation, it just isn't worth it. CCP may need to tweak some of the moon related mechanics but making sweeping changes that makes dysp cheap aren't good for the game... I am going to do to you what you did to me. that is not read my post. after your first paragraph i realize you cannot read or choose not to. my post has nothing to do with adding extras moons you ****.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:03:00 - [48] Originally by: Cosmo Raata NC/PL/Goon/Russian Alt detected!!! Thats only a small percentage of moon holding entities in the game. Am I a card carrying member of all of them then? Well I guess you just never know... Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
FireAnt Caldari Wings of the Storm	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:05:00 - [49] Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII Originally by: FireAnt Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: FireAnt and for the moron who made the stupid comment about bob. the only reason bob is gone is a stupid exploit that haargoth used to disband them. if not for that, bob would still be sitting there. And all the other alliances who have disappeared would still be sitting there except for people shooting at them. Protip: Not an exploit. oh yeah, you are right it took half of eve after the exploit to remove them and that is after even more could remove them a year ago when sov wasnt stolen from them. you are right If your so sure that an exploit was used and not simply a disgruntled director closing down an alliance then petition it and if your right the said people will be banned and said alliance possibly restored, But as your talking out of your arse you wont and things will stay as they are. Actually it was said that it was not intended for directors to have that power. so you sir win the "golden ****head award"
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:06:00 - [50] Originally by: FireAnt not intended Protip: Also not an exploit. - DesuSigs
gpfwestie Gallente Westie Engineering	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:09:00 - [51] I agree, it's totally wrong that Alliances were given free T2 BPO's.
FireAnt Caldari Wings of the Storm	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 25/03/2009 23:54:52 Originally by: FireAnt Originally by: Zeba So if you are our market saviour FireAnt why don't you go and take those moons away from the big bad evil men who have the strength of numbers and infrastructure to properly utilize and defend a good set of moons and so save the t2 market and then be Eve Hero! Oh right you would get blasted at the first gate camp. Whoops now we are going to have a whole new set of whines about big bad men how camp gates ruin the market and so deny rightious citizens of new eve access to the riches in 0.0 that should rightfully be theirs. OK, well that is kind of my point. no one can, and every month they get 10billion x how many moons they hold richer. Brilliant!!!!!! So in effect you want to have all the large groups of people who spent months or even years of hard work and determination to organize, secure and defend a profitable chunk of lawless space to roll over and leave simply because you can't be arsed to make friends and do it yourself. Whelp thats the technical end of this thread then. It might keep going for a while but it'll just coasting on emomentum. NO i am not asking for them to lose anything really. keep them moons. hell even keep the other 3 highends that dont get used near as much. all i am saying is fix the ratio of dyspo material to the rest of the highends.
FireAnt Caldari Wings of the Storm	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:11:00 - [53] Originally by: gpfwestie I agree, it's totally wrong that Alliances were given free T2 BPO's. no t2 bpos make the same profit as one dyspo moon per month.
James Duar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:17:00 - [54] Originally by: FireAnt NO i am not asking for them to lose anything really. keep them moons. hell even keep the other 3 highends that dont get used near as much. all i am saying is fix the ratio of dyspo material to the rest of the highends. This doesn't strike me as unreasonable. I believe he is simply saying to make the some moon minerals more used alongside others. Currently it goes Dyspro, Promethium, Cadmium, who cares it's not worth it.
gpfwestie Gallente Westie Engineering	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:19:00 - [55] Originally by: FireAnt Originally by: gpfwestie I agree, it's totally wrong that Alliances were given free T2 BPO's. no t2 bpos make the same profit as one dyspo moon per month. I was pointing out an exploit, there is nothing in the game that stops us banding together and taking those dyspo moons from whoever owns them.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:24:00 - [56] Edited by: Zeba on 26/03/2009 00:26:08 Originally by: FireAnt NO i am not asking for them to lose anything really. keep them moons. hell even keep the other 3 highends that dont get used near as much. all i am saying is fix the ratio of dyspo material to the rest of the highends. So in effect this entire charade has simply been because your arsed that t2 stuff costs to much for you to properly enjoy. Well sorry mate thats not the devs problem its yours for not applying yourself sufficienly in a game that requires at least some effort to achive anything at all. So we come back to the original argument. Why can you not afford the slight increase in the price of a currently high demand low supply item in a hyper capitalistic economy simulator that recreates the entire experience from mining the materials all the way to actually getting to field huge corporate owned space fleets to take and hold market share and materials. You think too small for this game so maybe another less detail space game might be in order so yo can 'enjoy' it better. End result is that the ingame market and industry are a constantly evolving process and you can't just say 'devs fix it!' and have it do what you want in a matter of days or even months. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
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FireAnt Caldari Wings of the Storm	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:40:00 - [58] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 26/03/2009 00:26:08 Originally by: FireAnt NO i am not asking for them to lose anything really. keep them moons. hell even keep the other 3 highends that dont get used near as much. all i am saying is fix the ratio of dyspo material to the rest of the highends. So in effect this entire charade has simply been because your arsed that t2 stuff costs to much for you to properly enjoy. Well sorry mate thats not the devs problem its yours for not applying yourself sufficienly in a game that requires at least some effort to achive anything at all. So we come back to the original argument. Why can you not afford the slight increase in the price of a currently high demand low supply item in a hyper capitalistic economy simulator that recreates the entire experience from mining the materials all the way to actually getting to field huge corporate owned space fleets to take and hold market share and materials. You think too small for this game so maybe another less detail space game might be in order so yo can 'enjoy' it better. End result is that the ingame market and industry are a constantly evolving process and you can't just say 'devs fix it!' and have it do what you want in a matter of days or even months. did you read anything i said. Here is a newflash, Dysposium isnt a mineral mined on a moon in reallife. i am going to break this down for you like i was writing this to a small child. CCP came up with the Dyposium moon CCP came up with T2 ships. CCP came up with T2 components. CCP made the ratio of dysposium to the other high end moon material to make t2 components. CCP made eve, and made it with faults. Mega pulses used to hit long ranges, with same damage as mega beams, and had a higher rate of fire. it was overpowered. they fixed it. that is what i am asking. fix the stupid ratio.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.26 00:50:00 - [59] Originally by: FireAnt that is what i am asking. fix the stupid ratio. Selfish much? The market ballooned on t2 due to multiple naturally occuring factors and yes the moon scam that got this whole thing rolling is a naturally occuring feature of eve as everyone is always looking for an edge and some will go past the rules to get it. However they eventually got caught and the market is unstable atm because so much stuff is happening right now that is taxing the supply and driving up prices. This is intended. This is how its supposed to be. This is what the players who have been skilling and working for years to be able to exploit have been waiting for so they can make mad hypercapitlistic virtual profits. You seem to have failed to plan for that contingency though and got your nipples pinched. So of course you want the ratio changed so you can benefit without any effort expended past wearing your keyboard down a bit moar. Enjoy! Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Seyss Inquart	Posted - 2009.03.26 01:00:00 - [60] Leave the dyspro nerf amarr.

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