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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.26 16:49:00 -
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You consider it griefing. Thousands of people consider it a normal mechanic.
Should your opinion be more important than thousands of players?
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Haruhiist since December 2008
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Drake Stormweaver
Caldari
Blueprint Haus
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.03.26 17:28:00 -
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This dude agrees with the op it seems.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4061498523327993113
Kills me everytime I hear it :)
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.03.26 17:47:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Drake Stormweaver
This dude agrees with the op it seems.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4061498523327993113
Kills me everytime I hear it :)
That could be one of the funniest videos I've ever seen.
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Belmarduk
Amarr
M.A.R.S. Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.26 18:03:00 -
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@ OP
Welcome to Eve
Allthough I dont like "griefers" or "griefing" or can-flipping just to annoy people - This is Eve
and if it were forbidden this would NOT be Eve and I wouldnt be playing it.
You have many possibilitys to counter Behaviour like this.
Someone griefed me a few Years ago - How did I react? - I wrote his name down and about 2 years later inflicted him a damage worth about 900 mio isk 
Thats what I love about Eve - You can ALLWAYS get back at someone if this person ****es you off enough !
I try and be nice to people but if someone ****es on me he gets a ****ing tidalwave back again.
Sofar I have been quite successful with this attidude ( also in rl )
I hate griefers but I would NEVER want to play a MMO were griefing was NOT possible
Greetings Belmarduk
Mainchar:
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2009.03.26 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Stormweaver
This dude agrees with the op it seems.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4061498523327993113
Kills me everytime I hear it :)
I <3 that video.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2009.03.26 18:22:00 -
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1) Griefing is allowed in EvE. I highly doubt that in the last 5 years they've disciplined ANYONE for grieving other than in starter systems.
2) What can you do about can flippers :
a) Stop mining
b) Set the can flipper to negative standings
c) Stay logged in and go do something else, make tea, watch a show on TV, come back an hour or two later. Yes they disrupted your op, as I said grieifing is allowed, this is the game, accept it or don't.
3) Sometimes what you consider griefing actually isn't. I have a system I consider my RP "home", I don't go there much but I consider it mine. Once in a long while if I visit and find large scale mining ops going on, I put a stop to it. I don't care what you do in other systems, you don't strip mine my home. Newbies and solo miners are allowed but I will disrupt macro miners and other large scale operations.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.03.26 18:48:00 -
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Where were you mining at?
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.26 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Belmarduk
Welcome to Eve
If the OP doesn't like it then he can **** off to WoW.
Originally by: CCP Whisper
So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Takemikazuki
Donnerkeil Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.26 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Takemikazuki on 26/03/2009 18:58:57
I have been flipped myself. Big deal. If I choose to dump my ore in unsecure containers I run the risk of someone acquiring it. I find it more fun to develop tactics to minimize that risk than to use my energy on defining it as illegal 'grief-play'.
A game with no risk at all is boring.
Easy enough to avoid though: Do. Not. Leave. Your. Ore. In. Jetcans.
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.03.26 19:02:00 -
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The ONLY part of the OP's scenario that I could see as griefing would be if the pirates in this case continually took their 1 unit of tobacco or whatever simply to mess with their jetcan timer, forcing them to wait every time. Doing that repeatedly would be griefing in my opinion because that's not thieving for advancement in the game, that's just messing with people to make their lives miserable.
Even then, it's on a fine line.
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Takemikazuki
Donnerkeil Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.26 19:05:00 -
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Quote:
Doing that repeatedly would be griefing in my opinion because that's not thieving for advancement in the game, that's just messing with people to make their lives miserable.
Depends on the rationale.
If they were paid to harass people out of the belts so others could mine them without competetion I would consider it legit.
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FlyinS
Caldari
Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.03.26 19:29:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Takemikazuki
Quote:
Doing that repeatedly would be griefing in my opinion because that's not thieving for advancement in the game, that's just messing with people to make their lives miserable.
Depends on the rationale.
If they were paid to harass people out of the belts so others could mine them without competetion I would consider it legit.
Yep. Or if they are doing it simply to disrupt mining ops for a rival corp. Those scenarios are what I meant about it being a fine line. Probably why there are so few cases of griefing being enforced, it's very hard to tell what is and what is just the game.
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Hariya
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Posted - 2009.03.26 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Hariya on 26/03/2009 19:37:05
What OP described was no griefing. If they had brought a battleship with smartbombs and podded him some 5 times in a row, THAT would have been griefing.
I by the way once griefed I guess. But just once. I podded 6 retrievers at Kisogo  Just took a big ship, flew next to that nice little group and disco fun 
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Milla Jovo
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Posted - 2009.03.26 19:50:00 -
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If can baiting in starter systems is bannable, then CCP needs to start watching the Bournes system. People can bait there all the time.
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Barrens Chat
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Posted - 2009.03.26 21:17:00 -
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In WoW they can't "grief" anymore when you mine. You hit your pick axe on the node and *BAM* all the ore and gems and whatnot is oyurs. No more rushing to node and have some Horde dude take your ore.
Eve should have this, when I mine an astroid it should be mine.
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.26 21:20:00 -
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Its part of the game, deal with it nub miner. Use a GSC when they are around.
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
Elitist Jerks
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.26 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Barrens Chat
In WoW they can't "grief" anymore when you mine. You hit your pick axe on the node and *BAM* all the ore and gems and whatnot is oyurs. No more rushing to node and have some Horde dude take your ore.
Eve should have this, when I mine an astroid it should be mine.
Well, obviously you're in the wrong game. Even your name is a dead giveaway as to where you belong. Don't try to import your terribad WoW content into EvE.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.26 21:28:00 -
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If your too lazy to use the secure anchorable cans which are there to stop this happening then i have no sympathy gbtw.
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Karla Misty
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Posted - 2009.03.26 22:32:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Drake Stormweaver
This dude agrees with the op it seems.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4061498523327993113
Kills me everytime I hear it :)
Was he even playing the same game that the rest of us were.
I mean I went into low sec on what? My 5th(?) day, with my itty, knew the risks, got blown up and it was my own choice and fault.
The only time I've ever seen griefing in the game was the guy sat outside the newbie station in essence blowing people up as they left the station, that was pretty funny.
But wrong.
But funny.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.03.26 22:47:00 -
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1. Train Anchoring to Level 1
2. Buy Giant Secure Container
3. Anchor Giant Secure Container
4. Transfer ore to container.
5. ???????????????????????
6. PROFIT!
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MC Purge
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Posted - 2009.03.26 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Barrens Chat
In WoW they can't "grief" anymore when you mine. You hit your pick axe on the node and *BAM* all the ore and gems and whatnot is oyurs. No more rushing to node and have some Horde dude take your ore.
Eve should have this, when I mine an astroid it should be mine.
pro troll at work.
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Spurty
Caldari
Amok.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.26 23:05:00 -
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get a friend in a bigger ship to jet a can for you (ideally in a nice freindly pvp corp in empire).
He cloaks up, you fill can and if you are lucky, some tard tries his luck.
Friend uncloaks and he thinks he is red to YOU not him.
Friend wtfpwns him,
then this next part is ESSENTIAL!!
Friend cloaks up somewhere safe for 15mins while until aggression is down. or waits to see what guy that just died brings to the belt, and uncloak MORE of your friends than he has and kill em.
Did this the other night, worked a treat, har har.
So, you are using a friend's can, friend will not attack you on looting it, friend gets more pvp fun than a war deck!
Originally by: Butter Dog
I think you'll find that 10 seconds > 1 month
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Grimpak
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards
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Posted - 2009.03.26 23:07:00 -
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well yes.. in this game where: your misery is my fortune, your hard gained work is my profit, your modules are my loot, and where I can be a bastard son of a ***** and step on everyone's toes to go to the top and simply be better than everybody else by shooting them dead, with no regards to morals and whatsoever, steal, lie, cheat (legally, that is), and prove to everyone that YOU don't have the guts to grab a gun and simply shoot me back; such posting you have just made makes me say that you are unfit for this, gb2wow
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 26/03/2009 10:45:55
Expert troll or genuine WoW player*? You decide.
I can't. Epic either way though
*j/k
Oh, and I'll just leave these here:
/thread.
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FingerThief
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.26 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Alessera
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One or two miners mine ore and jet collectively in a can
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Here is your problem.
Originally by: dictionary.reference.com
ūverb (used with object)
1. to cast (goods) overboard in order to lighten a vessel or aircraft or to improve its stability in an emergency.
2. to throw off (something) as an obstacle or burden; discard.
3. Cards. to discard (an unwanted card or cards).
ūnoun
4. the act of casting goods from a vessel or aircraft to lighten or stabilize it.
5. jetsam.
Non of above refers to you remaining the owner of jettisoned items.
Somebody else comes around to pick up your trash ? Either shoot him or do not continously jettison ( throw away ) items.
For more reading go here.
FT
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Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2009.03.26 23:54:00 -
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What you will eventually learn is that the paragraph you quoted is mearly a way to make carebears feel better about a game designed to allow griefing (in game). In all likely hood, the GM's you were petitioning to were the ones flipping your cans for 20+ minutes.
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Undeniable Existence
Questionable Practices
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Posted - 2009.03.27 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Draeca
Originally by: Mostly Amazing
What's the difference between a can baiter and a pirate when both attempt to lure victims into PVP.
Using 'pirates' and 'can baiters' in the same sentence should be a petitionable offense. There is a difference, and it's a huge one.
+1
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booter123
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Posted - 2009.03.27 00:26:00 -
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the op's sitatuion is not yet actionable griefing. it sounds like the griefers were dedicated and probably bored or unimaginative and could think of nothing more entertaining to do.
i do grief (with an alt :)) but move on quite quickly, haulers next to miners and a can is not that easy to steal properly from, there are easier targets around most probably.
if the miners don't bite and retaliate relatively quickly (the real point of can flipping) then i move on to another target. i do on occasion target the same player/corp a number of times over a certain in an attempt to prompt a war dec
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Alessera
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Posted - 2009.03.27 02:46:00 -
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4061498523327993113
I did watch that video and found it amusing as well. I did not go that far as to jump on someone's teamspeak or whatnot, and I was in .8 space.
Yeah, I agree with most of you, I need to chill. And it is just a game.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.03.30 20:53:00 -
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I will can flip occasionally to try to get the miners to leave the system that I use.
Occasionally I do it hoping for some pew-pw, but las, I can rarely get any of that
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