When people here say social they mean "manipulative". This is really the heart of the issue.

Posting in a bad thread about bad people in pretend spaceships.

...again I dont see the issue in EVE

You stated yourself it's all about scamming, stealing, and killing. Being manipulative generally furthers those goals considerably. Being antisocial denies you some potential opportunities to make cash and tears. You have to understand the viewpoint of the predator as well as the prey to get the full picture.

Im not actually, I like Malkavians

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Your face looks as if someone had held it over a grill. I like it.

Don't post.

Yes, I realize - his name is... HE'S A TROLL RAWR RAWR RAWR

Im not actually, I like Malkavians, Antisocial cause I dont see the point in being social in a game where the catch phrase basically is "trust noone"

know whats funny in this game? Ppl throwing the antisocial personality disorder tag. Like thats a BAD thing in a game that espouses things like killing ppl and stealing their wallets.
Being social in a game where trust is a liability (one would think) would be a good thing not a bad to be LESS social rather than more?
And youd think ppl in this game would aspire to the ideal of what used to be called a sociopath in this game as well, given that this isnt exactly a game for white knight types.
A conscience would be a liability if youre a ganker, pirate, scammer, pretty much any lucrative profession in EVE in RP anyways.

It is plain stupid to be antisocial in a multiplayer game. You are not only limiting your options, but your potential. Being social does not require complete trust.

"A man without friends is a man without power."

Don't post.

Yes, I realize - his name is... HE'S A TROLL RAWR RAWR RAWR

Im not actually, I like Malkavians, Antisocial cause I dont see the point in being social in a game where the catch phrase basically is "trust noone"

know whats funny in this game? Ppl throwing the antisocial personality disorder tag. Like thats a BAD thing in a game that espouses things like killing ppl and stealing their wallets.
Being social in a game where trust is a liability (one would think) would be a good thing not a bad to be LESS social rather than more?
And youd think ppl in this game would aspire to the ideal of what used to be called a sociopath in this game as well, given that this isnt exactly a game for white knight types.
A conscience would be a liability if youre a ganker, pirate, scammer, pretty much any lucrative profession in EVE in RP anyways.

I'm not antisocial, I just realise that the vast majority of people on this planet are clueless ******* morons whom I refuse to interact with in a positive manner.

Why is it bad to be antisocial in EVE

When people here say social they mean "manipulative". This is really the heart of the issue.

Protip: most of the people who think this are, in fact, clueless ******* morons themselves. you don't know everything (or even very much). any intelligent person knows this. assuming others are morons for not knowing the same things you do, while not attempting to find out what they do know, is the mark of an idiot - and being so socially incompetent that you withdraw entirely is the mark of a coward.

"Your a dumbass for thinking people are dumbasses!"

lol

Protip: most of the people who think this are, in fact, clueless ******* morons themselves. you don't know everything (or even very much). any intelligent person knows this. assuming others are morons for not knowing the same things you do, while not attempting to find out what they do know, is the mark of an idiot - and being so socially incompetent that you withdraw entirely is the mark of a coward.

It's about not being the average peer pressure moron who falls for politics, commercials, the media and enjoys being a passive follower. People who show a glimpse of intelligence (which is not the same as knowing stuff) I'll happily interact with.

When people here say social they mean "manipulative". This is really the heart of the issue.

To have real trust betrayal must be an option.

First rule of EVE isn't to trust no one. First rule of EVE is to not undock what you aren't willing to lose.

Do you really think that those massive SOV holding entities can function without trust? Trust is an inherent property of Null sec life. Trust is what holds a group together when the trust is lost is when it tends to fall apart.

The whole point of playing an MMO is to socialize. To make friends to kill the time we're here on this earth in an enjoyable manner. This requires trust, and because there are no external forces enforcing that trust the trust has to be real.

The whole point of playing an MMO is to socialize. To make friends to kill the time we're here on this earth in an enjoyable manner.

I'm not antisocial, I just realise that the vast majority of people on this planet are clueless ******* morons whom I refuse to interact with in a positive manner.

Aren't you being social just by posting this thread for everyone to see?

If you were really antisocial, you'd keep your brain farts to yourself.

It's about not being the average peer pressure moron who falls for politics, commercials, the media and enjoys being a passive follower. People who show a glimpse of intelligence (which is not the same as knowing stuff) I'll happily interact with.

Can you accept that others may not view this the same way as you? I certainly appreciate that allot of people have made friends through eve and I think that is great. But its not "the whole point" of playing a computer mmo.

I play an mmo so that I can fly a spaceship in a virtual world that is not created by a computer script or ai. I interact with other people as opposed to a computer ai. Which is a big part of what makes eve great. But I would hardly call every interaction in eve "socializing." And certainly most of the interactions do not involve "making friends."

If I want to socialize and make friends, I tend to do other things that usually do not involve sitting in front of a computer screen.

But frankly I have plenty of friends and often can't find the time, to spend with the friends I already have, let alone want to "kill time" finding new ones through the internet. No I just think playing eve is better than the next best option to have some fun after work - e.g., watching tv.

Seriously people harping about socializing all the time makes the game seem like some pathetic sort of dating service or "friend service." That is not "the whole point" of playing a computer game.

I have to admit that this is true. While being able to work with others is very important (but not mandatory), that has a bit different meaning than "socializing".

Socializing implies a freindly interaction. There are many CEO's, Alliance leaders or officers, etc. that really don't get into socializing in EVE, however they excel at interacting effectively with other players.

People play for what ever reason they please however they please. But it's an established fact of online gaming that longevity strongly correlates with social interactions. Of course I don't make the automatic association of socializing with friendly interactions. Socializing to me generally indicates cordial relations. But I kind of mean the whole spectrum of human social interactions.

Those CEO's and alliance leaders you mention may not spend a lot of time socializing with the line grunts but I guaranty you that they do so with their fellow CEO's and Directors as well as often with their "Enemies". You know the real secret to Goon's success? They understand this dynamic. Which is why the first thing they do with a new member is get them a mentor, then they have different squads to push people into social groups which all encourages building those relationships that will maintain interest long after the game mechanics become dull. .

I don't have a problem with people who want to play differently than I, if you want to pretend that EVE is a single player game with a very advanced AI, have fun with that, But you are missing out on a huge part of what makes online gaming fun and emotionally rewarding. Which to my mind is kind of missing the point of playing an MMO.

antisocial personality disorder

A conscience would be a liability if youre a ganker, pirate, scammer, pretty much any lucrative profession in EVE in RP anyways.

So... its bad to be 0.0 ppl then? They seem to hate highsec and they bear an "active hostility toward society". Where society here is where the most ppl are and there was that CCP that tweeted that 71% of the game is in highsec... I think that qualifies?

MMORPG

Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Role Playing Game.

There are other people to interact with in EVE. If you try to avoid interacting with other players then you shouldn't complain considering you have the option to and are encouraged to do so.

If you are just going to run missions, only seeing other players when you undock from the station then you are better off playing another game. There are much better options out there if you just want to kill NPCs.

They are an invert, xenophobic alliance who see everyone not under their boot as a threat.

@OP: The best point was already made, and you dismissed it. I hope you enjoy playing solo.

People play for what ever reason they please however they please. But it's an established fact of online gaming that longevity strongly correlates with social interactions. .

I don't have a problem with people who want to play differently than I, if you want to pretend that EVE is a single player game with a very advanced AI, have fun with that, But you are missing out on a huge part of what makes online gaming fun and emotionally rewarding. .

Which to my mind is kind of missing the point of playing an MMO.

On a personal level I very much agree. I like socializing in EVE, and I think it is a very strong motivator for people to continue to enjoy playing. Hell even mining can be entertaining if done with a group of fairly witty and interesting corp mates.

My point is that it is not a necessary element for everyone, nor should it be considered "the point of the game". The point of the game is to have fun, and odd as it may seem to you and I some people don't enjoy socializing... and frankly they should not be criticized for having that mind set.

Just as long as they realize that the game mechanics are built with socializing and group play in mind, and don't complain that more single (read loner) player content isn't available.

RL has the same problems. You can get ripped off pretty bad and betrayed just as easily IRL. But life sucks alone....at least for normal people that the usual psychological need for human interaction.

EVE is simply an extension of it and so it the internet as a whole.

Though playing EVE by yourself can be very rewarding - from the perspective of reaching accomplishments without the backing of a well oiled corporation or alliance - it's also limiting your potential of experiencing a large portion of the game. For many players fun is derived from aspects of the metagame and for that you need to be involved in the community.

Sure everyone you meet ingame is a potential asshat, but not everyone necessarily is. You can trust people and still hold reservations as to how far that trust goes. The only people that really need to watch their backs are the CEO's of corporations, the regular grunts like you and I just need some common sense.

But if you DO decide to play by yourself, there really are better single player games involving spaceships.

I will politely say: I strongly doubt this.

What spaceship mmo has a persistant universe with a realistic ecomony on a single shard? No other computer game, spaceship or not, even comes close to eve IMO.

Your face looks as if someone had held it over a BBQ grill. I like it.

It's an MMO. X3 is for when you want to play solo.

Edit: Even ******, Caesar and Genghis Khan needed help. Being evil is no reason to be antisocial.

Edit 2: **** you CCP. You're censoring names now? Seriously?! Eat my ****.