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Siddy	Posted - 2004.08.22 03:40:00 - [61] Originally by: Cruz Originally by: Negotiator well...arma deals the most damage out of all battleships (even the tier2s)...scorp owns at PvP...dom is one of those ships that require skill to use in PvP, but imho its a REALLY, REALLY nice ship...just not for a noobie. Typhoon is alright, its kinda vanilla - i wouldn't use it atm, frankly because arma is better at everything that phoon does.(missiles don't help). Megathron definetly deals more damage then armageddon, at the expense of range, but most armageddons dont use MWDs, so once a megathron gets in range, the armageddon is toast. the time mega gets in range... its not like mega is famos from its tankking or capasitator and against GankgeddonÖ its kinda useless -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.08.22 03:40:00 - [62] Originally by: Cruz Originally by: Negotiator well...arma deals the most damage out of all battleships (even the tier2s)...scorp owns at PvP...dom is one of those ships that require skill to use in PvP, but imho its a REALLY, REALLY nice ship...just not for a noobie. Typhoon is alright, its kinda vanilla - i wouldn't use it atm, frankly because arma is better at everything that phoon does.(missiles don't help). Megathron definetly deals more damage then armageddon, at the expense of range, but most armageddons dont use MWDs, so once a megathron gets in range, the armageddon is toast. the time mega gets in range... its not like mega is famos from its tankking or capasitator and against GankgeddonÖ its kinda useless -------------------------------------------
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2004.08.22 05:35:00 - [63] Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier Can you imagine having drones to replace the role of armor repairers?You'll be saving yourself allot of PW, cap and lowslots.Or putting the entire 5000m¦ dronebay to use due to Megadrones?The Dom looks to become a kickass ship once shiva gets released. Drones are a battleships primary dweapon against frigates. A fully armour tanked Armagheddon can still field 10 drones against a squadron of jammer frigates. Even with repair drones comming out, we have no idea how many ones it will take to be able to tank battleship NPCs. That Dom may find itself with 10 or 15 drones tied up in just surviving the damage, at which point it's in serious trouble. Even if the Armagheddon gets nerfed into the stone age, it will still have the capacity to mount seven mining lasers and retreat to safe space and mine. Harry Voyager
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2004.08.22 05:35:00 - [64] Originally by: Jozef Meurtrier Can you imagine having drones to replace the role of armor repairers?You'll be saving yourself allot of PW, cap and lowslots.Or putting the entire 5000m¦ dronebay to use due to Megadrones?The Dom looks to become a kickass ship once shiva gets released. Drones are a battleships primary dweapon against frigates. A fully armour tanked Armagheddon can still field 10 drones against a squadron of jammer frigates. Even with repair drones comming out, we have no idea how many ones it will take to be able to tank battleship NPCs. That Dom may find itself with 10 or 15 drones tied up in just surviving the damage, at which point it's in serious trouble. Even if the Armagheddon gets nerfed into the stone age, it will still have the capacity to mount seven mining lasers and retreat to safe space and mine. Harry Voyager
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.22 07:27:00 - [65] Originally by: Nafri but scorps sucks execpt of EW, its one of the slowest, low damaging ship out there i kinda get warm with the dominix maybe ill give it a try PvP IS ewar. You don't have it or have protection against it... Scorp can mount damaging loadouts JUST FINE. 2 Heavy Modulated Beams, 4 Siege w/ kinetic or epxlosive torps and kiss your azz goodbye. Not to mention that with modulated beams even frigs become viable targets to hit often. Not to mention the abolute need for them in fleet setups. -----
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.22 07:27:00 - [66] Originally by: Nafri but scorps sucks execpt of EW, its one of the slowest, low damaging ship out there i kinda get warm with the dominix maybe ill give it a try PvP IS ewar. You don't have it or have protection against it... Scorp can mount damaging loadouts JUST FINE. 2 Heavy Modulated Beams, 4 Siege w/ kinetic or epxlosive torps and kiss your azz goodbye. Not to mention that with modulated beams even frigs become viable targets to hit often. Not to mention the abolute need for them in fleet setups. -----
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.08.22 11:24:00 - [67] All the tier 1 bs's kick ass. The scorp has always been a great ship for EW. Dom's are great for tanking, and spewing tons of drones. Geddons are great for dealing out massive damage, or tanking. I haven't played much with the phoon, but it appears to be very versatile, offering many differnt styles of setups. And all tier 1 bs's have lots of drone space. Considering their price, you definitely get more bang for your buck out of a tier 1 bs these days. The only real drawback is the lower cap on tier 1 bs's.
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.08.22 11:24:00 - [68] All the tier 1 bs's kick ass. The scorp has always been a great ship for EW. Dom's are great for tanking, and spewing tons of drones. Geddons are great for dealing out massive damage, or tanking. I haven't played much with the phoon, but it appears to be very versatile, offering many differnt styles of setups. And all tier 1 bs's have lots of drone space. Considering their price, you definitely get more bang for your buck out of a tier 1 bs these days. The only real drawback is the lower cap on tier 1 bs's.
darth solo	Posted - 2004.08.22 11:36:00 - [69] Edited by: darth solo on 22/08/2004 11:43:14 Iv been testing the typhoon, and its NOT crap at PVP... with the correct skills and setup u can take down tier 2 BS.. i tested it against a mega and a domonix.. i beat the mega, experimented with another setup for the dom, but ended in a draw, im sure with the 1st setup the dom would have ended the same way... the only ship the typhoon wouldnt take, is the apoc... but not much can 1v1 the now. So, what im saying is dont diss the phoon... its mostly because ppl just dont know how to set it up. scorp is still the most important ship in a fleet battle.... dom is ok.. arma is a great ship, either for taking damage, or dishing it...
darth solo	Posted - 2004.08.22 11:36:00 - [70] Edited by: darth solo on 22/08/2004 11:43:14 Iv been testing the typhoon, and its NOT crap at PVP... with the correct skills and setup u can take down tier 2 BS.. i tested it against a mega and a domonix.. i beat the mega, experimented with another setup for the dom, but ended in a draw, im sure with the 1st setup the dom would have ended the same way... the only ship the typhoon wouldnt take, is the apoc... but not much can 1v1 the now. So, what im saying is dont diss the phoon... its mostly because ppl just dont know how to set it up. scorp is still the most important ship in a fleet battle.... dom is ok.. arma is a great ship, either for taking damage, or dishing it...
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.08.22 11:43:00 - [71] The rax. Oh no wait... its not a bs?... well how come it comes with rapage guaranteed! san. MWAHAHAHA< proud owner of a real mans ship. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.08.22 11:43:00 - [72] The rax. Oh no wait... its not a bs?... well how come it comes with rapage guaranteed! san. MWAHAHAHA< proud owner of a real mans ship. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.22 12:36:00 - [73] Originally by: darth solo Edited by: darth solo on 22/08/2004 11:43:14 Iv been testing the typhoon, and its NOT crap at PVP... with the correct skills and setup u can take down tier 2 BS.. i tested it against a mega and a domonix.. i beat the mega, experimented with another setup for the dom, but ended in a draw, im sure with the 1st setup the dom would have ended the same way... the only ship the typhoon wouldnt take, is the apoc... but not much can 1v1 the now. So, what im saying is dont diss the phoon... its mostly because ppl just dont know how to set it up. scorp is still the most important ship in a fleet battle.... dom is ok.. arma is a great ship, either for taking damage, or dishing it... I know quite how to setup it up to Tizzap a tier 2 BS. Its just that I would like it to be decent with projectiles. I always have my non-race special setups for tappage of dah hiney. All Tier 1 BS are good. Its just most are good at their roles. While the typhoon isn't that great at its role. RoF bonus means better chance to miss. Optimal means less chance of digging into that falloff/tracking system with ranged ammo on Howlizers. PvP its just fine but NPC hunting is a different story. Not everyone is gonna get a phoon for pvp. Especially minny pilots that want make a new, free life for themselves and can't afford a temepst. -----
Kaylona Tso	Posted - 2004.08.22 12:36:00 - [74] Originally by: darth solo Edited by: darth solo on 22/08/2004 11:43:14 Iv been testing the typhoon, and its NOT crap at PVP... with the correct skills and setup u can take down tier 2 BS.. i tested it against a mega and a domonix.. i beat the mega, experimented with another setup for the dom, but ended in a draw, im sure with the 1st setup the dom would have ended the same way... the only ship the typhoon wouldnt take, is the apoc... but not much can 1v1 the now. So, what im saying is dont diss the phoon... its mostly because ppl just dont know how to set it up. scorp is still the most important ship in a fleet battle.... dom is ok.. arma is a great ship, either for taking damage, or dishing it... I know quite how to setup it up to Tizzap a tier 2 BS. Its just that I would like it to be decent with projectiles. I always have my non-race special setups for tappage of dah hiney. All Tier 1 BS are good. Its just most are good at their roles. While the typhoon isn't that great at its role. RoF bonus means better chance to miss. Optimal means less chance of digging into that falloff/tracking system with ranged ammo on Howlizers. PvP its just fine but NPC hunting is a different story. Not everyone is gonna get a phoon for pvp. Especially minny pilots that want make a new, free life for themselves and can't afford a temepst. -----
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.08.22 12:43:00 - [75] Originally by: Cruz scorpion is best for PVP Geddon is best for NPC hunting Dominix is best for mining Typhoon is best for doing stuff. scorpion is best for PVP - true Geddon is best for NPC hunting - but also mining, it can get swamped npc hunting Dominix is best for mining - I belive its best for NPC hunting and agent missions it only has 6 turrets for mining. Typhoon is best for doing stuff - not suless tactical assault perhaps..... aka cheap long range camping.. the typhoons 4 launchers, 3500 drone bay, 7500 cpu and speed shouldnt be overlooked too soon, just projectiles are going through a bad spell so its 4 turrets are a little off --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.08.22 12:43:00 - [76] Originally by: Cruz scorpion is best for PVP Geddon is best for NPC hunting Dominix is best for mining Typhoon is best for doing stuff. scorpion is best for PVP - true Geddon is best for NPC hunting - but also mining, it can get swamped npc hunting Dominix is best for mining - I belive its best for NPC hunting and agent missions it only has 6 turrets for mining. Typhoon is best for doing stuff - not suless tactical assault perhaps..... aka cheap long range camping.. the typhoons 4 launchers, 3500 drone bay, 7500 cpu and speed shouldnt be overlooked too soon, just projectiles are going through a bad spell so its 4 turrets are a little off --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
dalman	Posted - 2004.08.22 13:05:00 - [77] Originally by: Kaylona Tso Originally by: Nafri but scorps sucks execpt of EW, its one of the slowest, low damaging ship out there i kinda get warm with the dominix maybe ill give it a try PvP IS ewar. You don't have it or have protection against it... Scorp can mount damaging loadouts JUST FINE. 2 Heavy Modulated Beams, 4 Siege w/ kinetic or epxlosive torps and kiss your azz goodbye. Not to mention that with modulated beams even frigs become viable targets to hit often. Not to mention the abolute need for them in fleet setups. Where are you fighting and against who? Cause that setup is NOT very damaging... In fact, tanking that damage forever is a walk in the park for most ppl. I fly Caldari and Gallante. Your scorp vs my raven = you'd die or barely manage to align to warp away. Your scorp vs my domi = you'd die. Your scorp vs my mega = you would be unable to kill me and once I've quickly docked to fit my anti-EW you'd die. And no, there is not an absolute need for them in fleets. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
dalman	Posted - 2004.08.22 13:05:00 - [78] Originally by: Kaylona Tso Originally by: Nafri but scorps sucks execpt of EW, its one of the slowest, low damaging ship out there i kinda get warm with the dominix maybe ill give it a try PvP IS ewar. You don't have it or have protection against it... Scorp can mount damaging loadouts JUST FINE. 2 Heavy Modulated Beams, 4 Siege w/ kinetic or epxlosive torps and kiss your azz goodbye. Not to mention that with modulated beams even frigs become viable targets to hit often. Not to mention the abolute need for them in fleet setups. Where are you fighting and against who? Cause that setup is NOT very damaging... In fact, tanking that damage forever is a walk in the park for most ppl. I fly Caldari and Gallante. Your scorp vs my raven = you'd die or barely manage to align to warp away. Your scorp vs my domi = you'd die. Your scorp vs my mega = you would be unable to kill me and once I've quickly docked to fit my anti-EW you'd die. And no, there is not an absolute need for them in fleets. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.08.22 13:42:00 - [79] but with your anti-ECM stuff on can you fight other ships as well? and what if I use 8 sensor dampeners? Then only you raven with fof is a threat. --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
Nimrodel	Posted - 2004.08.22 13:42:00 - [80] but with your anti-ECM stuff on can you fight other ships as well? and what if I use 8 sensor dampeners? Then only you raven with fof is a threat. --------------------------------------------- Nimrodel Dark Force User Joint Espionage & Defence Industries --------------------------------------------- Your Medium YF-12a Smartbomb hits Rusty Cloud, doing 0.0 damage.
mahhy	Posted - 2004.08.22 14:28:00 - [81] Originally by: BlueFlame ...domi and arma are both good against NPCs just if u armor tank em proper u dont ahve enough power grid to equip what u want in highs. they suck even more in dmg than scorps. I guess thts all... Less damage than a Scorp?
mahhy	Posted - 2004.08.22 14:28:00 - [82] Originally by: BlueFlame ...domi and arma are both good against NPCs just if u armor tank em proper u dont ahve enough power grid to equip what u want in highs. they suck even more in dmg than scorps. I guess thts all... Less damage than a Scorp?
dalman	Posted - 2004.08.22 14:33:00 - [83] Originally by: Nimrodel but with your anti-ECM stuff on can you fight other ships as well? and what if I use 8 sensor dampeners? Then only you raven with fof is a threat. 1. Without scrambler (and webber if the enemy has MWD on) you can't win. 2. Without any defence the drones of any BS will kill your scorp before your weapons brakes down his defences. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
dalman	Posted - 2004.08.22 14:33:00 - [84] Originally by: Nimrodel but with your anti-ECM stuff on can you fight other ships as well? and what if I use 8 sensor dampeners? Then only you raven with fof is a threat. 1. Without scrambler (and webber if the enemy has MWD on) you can't win. 2. Without any defence the drones of any BS will kill your scorp before your weapons brakes down his defences. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.22 14:39:00 - [85] yep, you have to make sure you can use your superior target range in your scorp, otherwise even a unjammed thorax will tear you apart in a very short time Wanna fly with me?
Nafri	Posted - 2004.08.22 14:39:00 - [86] yep, you have to make sure you can use your superior target range in your scorp, otherwise even a unjammed thorax will tear you apart in a very short time Wanna fly with me?
QwaarJet	Posted - 2004.08.22 21:56:00 - [87] Here is my opinion best. 1.Scorpion 2.Armageddon 3.Typhoon 4.Dominix I'm slightly biased because I like my missiles and that's why Armageddon and Dominix put me off.Scorpion is the best combat ship.Dominix is a good miner and not much else.Army and Tyhp can do most things well. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!"
QwaarJet	Posted - 2004.08.22 21:56:00 - [88] Here is my opinion best. 1.Scorpion 2.Armageddon 3.Typhoon 4.Dominix I'm slightly biased because I like my missiles and that's why Armageddon and Dominix put me off.Scorpion is the best combat ship.Dominix is a good miner and not much else.Army and Tyhp can do most things well. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.08.22 23:11:00 - [89] Originally by: dalman And no, there is not an absolute need for them in fleets. If 2 equal size fleets fight, and one has a small group of jamming scorps and the other has none, then I'd bet on the group with the scorps every time. This is of course assuming similar skill/experience on both sides. Shamis
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2004.08.22 23:11:00 - [90] Originally by: dalman And no, there is not an absolute need for them in fleets. If 2 equal size fleets fight, and one has a small group of jamming scorps and the other has none, then I'd bet on the group with the scorps every time. This is of course assuming similar skill/experience on both sides. Shamis

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