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rittersporn2
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Posted - 2004.08.22 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: ritters****2 on 22/08/2004 04:18:39
Edited by: ritters****2 on 22/08/2004 04:17:10
I have been wondering a while why someone would use Armor-Plattings. Look, I have lots of those nifty 1600mm-plattings in my private treasure chest but I really would never fit anything like an armor-platting:
They have higher requirements than hardeners but even in a 1on1 they have less use, not to mention fleet-battles or ratting. I prefer 5000 units of armor deflecting avarage 60% of all damage over 8000 armor deflecting only an avarage of 30%.
Maybe its nice to have some armor when getting leached by Nosferatus and you can not run your Hardeners but then you are toast anyway.
They would be fun if I could fit them to fill an otherwise useless slots while being out of pg/cpu but right now... no thanks. Only good to get refined and build into an Armor Hardener.
To the admin, its funny seeing part of my name getting filtered to bad language while it obviously is not 
Ritters****2 (name censored to protect minors like you)
Graduate of Darth Vader School of Personal Management
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rittersporn2
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Posted - 2004.08.22 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: ritters****2 on 22/08/2004 04:18:39
Edited by: ritters****2 on 22/08/2004 04:17:10
I have been wondering a while why someone would use Armor-Plattings. Look, I have lots of those nifty 1600mm-plattings in my private treasure chest but I really would never fit anything like an armor-platting:
They have higher requirements than hardeners but even in a 1on1 they have less use, not to mention fleet-battles or ratting. I prefer 5000 units of armor deflecting avarage 60% of all damage over 8000 armor deflecting only an avarage of 30%.
Maybe its nice to have some armor when getting leached by Nosferatus and you can not run your Hardeners but then you are toast anyway.
They would be fun if I could fit them to fill an otherwise useless slots while being out of pg/cpu but right now... no thanks. Only good to get refined and build into an Armor Hardener.
To the admin, its funny seeing part of my name getting filtered to bad language while it obviously is not
Ritters****2 (name censored to protect minors like you)
Graduate of Darth Vader School of Personal Management
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.22 04:44:00 -
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the nice thing about 1600mm plates is using them on cruisers 
thats about it. In all other ways, hardeners are better, because not only do they increase your resistance, but when running your repariers, woul dyou rather repair 720 armor out of 8000 that has an average resistance of 30%, or 720 armor out of 5000 armor that has an average resistance of 60%.
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Cruz
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Posted - 2004.08.22 04:44:00 -
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the nice thing about 1600mm plates is using them on cruisers
thats about it. In all other ways, hardeners are better, because not only do they increase your resistance, but when running your repariers, woul dyou rather repair 720 armor out of 8000 that has an average resistance of 30%, or 720 armor out of 5000 armor that has an average resistance of 60%.
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Nestor Ne'Arthe
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Posted - 2004.08.22 09:24:00 -
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I have quite other question..
Why there is no platings BPO? I need a constant supply of 200mm platings, and they're nowhere to be found. Some junk on market for over 100k.. give me a break. And i dont have whole day to hunt low end npcs, just to get these platings.
BPO is listed on the market, but no one is selling..
Double U tee eff?
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Portfolio (currently .PL only) - nestor.art.pl
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Nestor Ne'Arthe
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Posted - 2004.08.22 09:24:00 -
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I have quite other question..
Why there is no platings BPO? I need a constant supply of 200mm platings, and they're nowhere to be found. Some junk on market for over 100k.. give me a break. And i dont have whole day to hunt low end npcs, just to get these platings.
BPO is listed on the market, but no one is selling..
Double U tee eff?
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Portfolio (currently .PL only) - nestor.art.pl
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.08.22 09:30:00 -
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Often when you're NPC hunting you need only 2 hardeners. After that, it's a choice between toughness and cap recharge in general.
In PvP, with a blasterthron, for example, having an armor plate allow you to take more damamge before needing to activate your armor repairer->More cap to MWD or weapons.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.08.22 09:30:00 -
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Often when you're NPC hunting you need only 2 hardeners. After that, it's a choice between toughness and cap recharge in general.
In PvP, with a blasterthron, for example, having an armor plate allow you to take more damamge before needing to activate your armor repairer->More cap to MWD or weapons.
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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.22 12:04:00 -
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also the hardners add a % bonus to HP (if you block 20%, you could have effectively had 20% more HP and no damage reduction), whereas the plates add a fixed value
adding 1 x 400mm Plates to a Punisher is better than trying yo add 60% to all damage resistances.
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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.22 12:04:00 -
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also the hardners add a % bonus to HP (if you block 20%, you could have effectively had 20% more HP and no damage reduction), whereas the plates add a fixed value
adding 1 x 400mm Plates to a Punisher is better than trying yo add 60% to all damage resistances.
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2004.08.22 12:08:00 -
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the plating are quite usefull when NPC hunting, the extra HP often buy you time to kill the npc`s withoput even needing to run any sort of repair,
setup i use to use for my typhoon was
3x rolled tungsten plates, 2x thermal 1x EM (for hunting sanchas) and a large armour repairer
that setup gave me in the region of 14k armour and around 70% thermal and 85% EM resistance, which would make the effective damage required in the region of 24k to get rid of my armour. (not too good at maths, this is only estimate)
i have been able to solo 1x5m and 2x1m with escorts, but good drones skills are required to get rid of the escorts while you concentrate firepower in the bigger ships
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Dexter Rast
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Posted - 2004.08.22 12:08:00 -
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the plating are quite usefull when NPC hunting, the extra HP often buy you time to kill the npc`s withoput even needing to run any sort of repair,
setup i use to use for my typhoon was
3x rolled tungsten plates, 2x thermal 1x EM (for hunting sanchas) and a large armour repairer
that setup gave me in the region of 14k armour and around 70% thermal and 85% EM resistance, which would make the effective damage required in the region of 24k to get rid of my armour. (not too good at maths, this is only estimate)
i have been able to solo 1x5m and 2x1m with escorts, but good drones skills are required to get rid of the escorts while you concentrate firepower in the bigger ships
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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.22 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Roderic Excelion on 22/08/2004 15:47:37
14K HP using an average resistance of 77.5% compared to normal average of 10% I make it to be 23332HP equivalent HP using no hardners.
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Roderic Excelion
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Posted - 2004.08.22 15:24:00 -
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Edited by: Roderic Excelion on 22/08/2004 15:47:37
14K HP using an average resistance of 77.5% compared to normal average of 10% I make it to be 23332HP equivalent HP using no hardners.
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rittersporn2
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Posted - 2004.08.22 22:56:00 -
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I agree on using big platings on small ships. My Crucifier is using 200mm Plattings, giving it around 700 to 1000 armor - quite tough for an ew-frig.
A BS would need at leat 3200mm platings to compensate the advantages of Hardeners. Well, lets wait and see...
Ritters****2 (name censored to protect minors like you)
Graduate of Darth Vader School of Personal Management
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rittersporn2
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Posted - 2004.08.22 22:56:00 -
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I agree on using big platings on small ships. My Crucifier is using 200mm Plattings, giving it around 700 to 1000 armor - quite tough for an ew-frig.
A BS would need at leat 3200mm platings to compensate the advantages of Hardeners. Well, lets wait and see...
Ritters****2 (name censored to protect minors like you)
Graduate of Darth Vader School of Personal Management
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rittersporn2
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Posted - 2004.08.22 23:04:00 -
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More as a joke than real use, my Armageddon works fine with seven(!) Armor Hardeners and one Large Armor Repairer - don't ask what else is fitted though :-)
80.00% EM
83.75% Heat
81.25% Kinetic
79.75% Explosive
81.19% Average
This is equal to 28500 Points of Damage :-)
Ritters****2 (name censored to protect minors like you)
Graduate of Darth Vader School of Personal Management
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rittersporn2
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Posted - 2004.08.22 23:04:00 -
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More as a joke than real use, my Armageddon works fine with seven(!) Armor Hardeners and one Large Armor Repairer - don't ask what else is fitted though :-)
80.00% EM
83.75% Heat
81.25% Kinetic
79.75% Explosive
81.19% Average
This is equal to 28500 Points of Damage :-)
Ritters****2 (name censored to protect minors like you)
Graduate of Darth Vader School of Personal Management
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XRay Blue
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Posted - 2004.08.23 14:59:00 -
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Well let¦s do some amateur maths:
Let me use 2 different configurations for allround-armor tanking on my Megathron (values may differ on different skills/named items):
a) 1x 1600mm (named, 2080 HP)
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
uses: CPU: 89
Power: 504
This results in armor resistances:
EM: 72%
Exp: 38%
Kin: 55%
Therm: 55%
in average 55%. My armor HP is 7912. With an average resistance of 55% this is like an armor hp of 17582
b) 1x Armor Explosive hardener I (no tech II available)
1x Armor Kinetic hardener I
1x Armor Thermal hardener I
- no 4th hardener as a) also uses only 3 slots
uses: CPU: 120
Power: 3
This results in armor resistances:
EM: 60%
Exp: 54,5%
Kin: 67,5%
Therm: 67,5%
in average 62,375%. My armor HP here is 5312. With an average resistance of 55% this is like an armor hp of 14118
On a Megathron CPU is a rarer ressource than powergrid. So configuration a) wins over b) in needed ressources AND in overall armor hp/resistance (17582 over 14118). And a) doesn¦t need capacitor usage in combat.
This should answer the question if a 1600mm plating is useful or not on a battleship... Hope my maths were correct, last lesson in maths is long, long ago. |
XRay Blue
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Posted - 2004.08.23 14:59:00 -
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Well let¦s do some amateur maths:
Let me use 2 different configurations for allround-armor tanking on my Megathron (values may differ on different skills/named items):
a) 1x 1600mm (named, 2080 HP)
2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
uses: CPU: 89
Power: 504
This results in armor resistances:
EM: 72%
Exp: 38%
Kin: 55%
Therm: 55%
in average 55%. My armor HP is 7912. With an average resistance of 55% this is like an armor hp of 17582
b) 1x Armor Explosive hardener I (no tech II available)
1x Armor Kinetic hardener I
1x Armor Thermal hardener I
- no 4th hardener as a) also uses only 3 slots
uses: CPU: 120
Power: 3
This results in armor resistances:
EM: 60%
Exp: 54,5%
Kin: 67,5%
Therm: 67,5%
in average 62,375%. My armor HP here is 5312. With an average resistance of 55% this is like an armor hp of 14118
On a Megathron CPU is a rarer ressource than powergrid. So configuration a) wins over b) in needed ressources AND in overall armor hp/resistance (17582 over 14118). And a) doesn¦t need capacitor usage in combat.
This should answer the question if a 1600mm plating is useful or not on a battleship... Hope my maths were correct, last lesson in maths is long, long ago. |
0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.08.23 15:19:00 -
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Taking everybodys maths as correct..
Arnt you forgetting the replenishment value in the equation, where by each % of cap used with hardners will be worth more than without hardners.
Hmmm.
We'd have to reduce the equation to..
Okok, so lets say the rapairer uses 200 cap to get 500 armour. The armour has a resistance of 30% average.
The enemy is taking 500 armour per minuite, you are getting 200 cap back a minuite.
but say you had 60% resistance, then you would be getting armour back not just paddling water, for the same cap expenditure.
Although, if you were using hardners your cap usage would increase but i suspect that would be quite handsomely outweighed by damage saved.
i was goona try and do that in an equation but it hurt my head.
san.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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0seeker0
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Posted - 2004.08.23 15:19:00 -
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Taking everybodys maths as correct..
Arnt you forgetting the replenishment value in the equation, where by each % of cap used with hardners will be worth more than without hardners.
Hmmm.
We'd have to reduce the equation to..
Okok, so lets say the rapairer uses 200 cap to get 500 armour. The armour has a resistance of 30% average.
The enemy is taking 500 armour per minuite, you are getting 200 cap back a minuite.
but say you had 60% resistance, then you would be getting armour back not just paddling water, for the same cap expenditure.
Although, if you were using hardners your cap usage would increase but i suspect that would be quite handsomely outweighed by damage saved.
i was goona try and do that in an equation but it hurt my head.
san.
Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2004.08.23 15:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Cruz
the nice thing about 1600mm plates is using them on cruisers
I would like to say: thank you
Finily found good setup for my thorax. I had problem with warping in spawns with lots of rats my screen would just freez for a small amount of time and with this setup with large plaiting I can tank it without worring 
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Tanya Raskov > e stvarno minmatar zidaju brodove tako sto odlome deo fabrike i nakace motore
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MalaMo
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Posted - 2004.08.23 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cruz
the nice thing about 1600mm plates is using them on cruisers
I would like to say: thank you
Finily found good setup for my thorax. I had problem with warping in spawns with lots of rats my screen would just freez for a small amount of time and with this setup with large plaiting I can tank it without worring
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Tanya Raskov > e stvarno minmatar zidaju brodove tako sto odlome deo fabrike i nakace motore
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