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Hanan Grahif Caldari Cardshark Influence	Posted - 2009.04.01 10:48:00 - [31] i really hope it's a funny joke. Eve without EVE-U never be the same Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 and a file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal
Irrilian Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.04.01 11:14:00 - [32] Thanks for your kind words everyone. Unfortunately it seems we need to move to a more resilient model which will, to some degree at least, allow us to continue with our principal mission: to help new players. Thus while the corp and alliance will be gone, youÆll still be able to chat and ask questions with foes and friends alike in the in-game channel ôEve Universityö and weÆll keep the semi-secure channel ôEve Highö running which will enable new players to organise ops etc. and where we've already started holding the occasional class using Evevoice (we decided to drop TS/Vent in favour of it as itÆs more suitable for new players and requires less of a management overhead). ItÆs been an interesting time five years. WhatÆs made the E-uni concept great is what weÆve achieved and the players weÆve helped in spite of just being a regular corp (rather than say a supped up rookie chat/npc corp) and thus subject to all the same pressures and demands of any other player corporation/alliance. But all things end.
TimGascoigne Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.04.01 11:50:00 - [33] why did you choose April 1st to make this announcement? Instead of an epic thread on the end of an Alliance it's a debate on the sincerity of the OP. Anyway the wardec system is very old and they're definitely need to be mechanics to officially escalate conflicts to mercenary that is for the right (haggled) price of course.
Irrilian Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:21:00 - [34] Edited by: Irrilian on 01/04/2009 12:21:51 Originally by: TimGascoigne why did you choose April 1st to make this announcement? ItÆs unfortunate but things have come to a head recently: after a protracted gruelling series of wars last year and apparently some internal drama we lost the majority of our more experienced pilots (be it the ônatural wastageö of people graduating or large numbers of members splitting off to form their own corp i.e. Sabre AÆs Seppuku Warriors); while weÆve pioneered organising and making new players into an effective combat force, it does take a core of experienced players to help run things and counter particular threats e.g. RR BS gangs; without time to regroup weÆve entered another protracted bout of war decs which have been taking their toll on general morale and ability to help new players. Thus while itÆs a shame to see this chapter of Eve close, better than we evolve into a meta-corporation through the use of in-game channels and comms than let egos get in the way of helping new players. Originally by: TimGascoigne Instead of an epic thread on the end of an Alliance it's a debate on the sincerity of the OP. Kelduum Revaan has my complete support, there are only a few decisions heÆs made that IÆve disagreed with and heÆs done a far better job in the role of running the day to day affairs of E-uni than I ever did. Originally by: TimGascoigne Anyway the wardec system is very old and they're definitely need to be mechanics to officially escalate conflicts to mercenary that is for the right (haggled) price of course. YouÆll find no disagreement with me on this score. The current war dec system is fairly broken: its quite feasible for a small group to harass a larger one in a manner which is difficult if not impossible to counter e.g. logging in only occasionally to make a quick kill before logging out again for several days. This forces the defender to be purely reactive and thus constantly ready to counter attackers while the attacker can pick and choose when to attack, if at all. There really need to be some broader consequences to declaring war rather than having to run a few level 4 missions to pay for it. CCP themselves have demonstrated that theyÆve recognised this is a problem in other areas of the game e.g. POS/sov mechanics are a analogous counter to this e.g. attacker can pick when to fight and reinforce a POS, but to achieve anything they have to return at a set time allowing the defender a chance to respond. But anyway, itÆs been a pleasure Kelduum, Morning Manaic. o7
Lunas Whisper Minmatar The Centurions Eternus Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:29:00 - [35] I am saddened to hear this.
Jev North Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:36:00 - [36] Edited by: Jev North on 01/04/2009 12:36:06 Sad, sad day. The university's assets being split among members will help me find my feet, I hope, but I suddenly feel very alone.
Haradgrim Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2009.04.01 12:49:00 - [37] 11/10
Guardian Decsendent Caldari ROMANIA Renegades Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:17:00 - [38] You shouldn't joke about this :) eve u its a really big thing in this game , and will be a sad day for eve if that would happened :) the number of noobs will grow a lot in this game :)) ----
Captain Thunk Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:24:00 - [39] Obviously an april fool's It's easy to tell, because Eve-Uni doesn't worry about wars, it just exploits its way out of them. It's a shame though, it would be good to see the alliance disbanded, I do not place any value in what the alliance purports to teach. Anyone who complains about "blobby" warfare and terrible fleet composition needs look no further than Eve Universities academic curriculum. It's not possible for me to comprehend how someone could need to "learn" how to mine or do NPC missions. In theory what Eve University has done in the past 5 years is noble, selfless and of great benefit to those who have flown in it, however it fails at the most basic scrutiny and has done none of these. That's just my opinion and I'm sure there will be many people extolling the wonders that have been performed over the years, which is presumably what you want as the Op isn't funny even in the slightest. Still, you've got 12 months to come up with a better one. Captain Thunk
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:51:00 - [40] If this is true, then it is a great shame. I started EVE under EVE-U on my first toon, and thanks to them i learned a ton through this game. I left and came back but the lessons learned from EVE-U stuck with me even after a year hiatus. EVE just wont be the same without you all. I wish you the best of luck on your future endeavors. And if this is an April's fool's joke....i am so giving you an atomic wedgie!

Skoot Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.04.01 13:54:00 - [41] Edited by: Skoot on 01/04/2009 13:55:04 I have always been a strong believer in Eve University. In sight of what is happening to their corporation and its members I will be donating 16 thanatos carriers to their extra credit program. I will need a eve uni representative to contact me in game for the donation.
Captain Nuf Gallente Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Cazzah Edited by: Cazzah on 01/04/2009 08:28:45 Since corp is disbanding I guess its ok to post in this CAOD... We had a good run, and some people in corp chat are very concerned Cazzah, guess what? You CAN post to CAOD. It's unfortunate that some people take a game so seriously. Relax, have fun, post to CAOD. Then after you've posted, you realize: meh - what was the big deal? It's just a place where grown-ups can come and act like 14 yo morons - sans the usual face full of zits. Death to the ego-maniacal MMO overlords CNUF-
Shad0wsFury Caldari Helljumpers Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2009.04.01 14:18:00 - [43] lol @ skoot Happy april fools unitstas, don't get suicide ganked in empire!
Captain Nuf Gallente Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.04.01 15:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Irrilian Edited by: Irrilian on 01/04/2009 12:21:51 Originally by: TimGascoigne why did you choose April 1st to make this announcement? ItÆs unfortunate but things have come to a head recently: after a protracted gruelling(sic.) series of wars last year and apparently some internal drama we lost the majority of our more experienced pilots (be it the ônatural wastageö of people graduating or large numbers of members splitting off to form their own corp i.e. Sabre AÆs Seppuku Warriors); while weÆve pioneered organising(sic.) and making new players into an effective combat force, it does take a core of experienced players to help run things and counter particular threats e.g. RR BS gangs; without time to regroup weÆve entered another protracted bout of war decs which have been taking their toll on general morale and ability to help new players. Good point - perhaps it won't be lost in the 01 April shenanigans and remain to provoke some real discussion regarding some changes that can be made to avoid alienating the pool of talent that you have available that is (or was rather) equally dedicated to the ideal that Eve University represented - maintaining a non-political place for new players (including trial accounts) to be helped over the steep learning curve. In the meantime, we at SW appreciate the bump. Moreover, in the event that this thread triggers a bunch of wardecs against us in retaliation for our perceived criticism of a long and widely cherished institution formed with altruistic ideals within Eve community - simply by the mere fact of our existence, that would be great. We won't have to pay the fees to provide our valuable and respected members with targets to chase around and shoot at. We've tried to provide a place where good mature people could come and hang out together to teach and learn from each other with enough freedom with which to experience a wider taste of what Eve really has to offer without excessive and increasing restrictions. In short, to just have fun again. We meant no offense. For those that consider the fact that much of the core of E-Uni experience in the last year have decided to give up on trying to improve our ability to contribute to the shared ideal that E-Uni was founded on as being a threat to that ideal, I suggest that you rather consider the cause rather than blame the result and look, like many of us have, to simply and proactively affecting your own destiny by acting to do something positive. Apologies in advance for the possible repercussions that may ensue as a result of possibly painting Ivy alliance as being a potentially weaker and tastier target for those looking for lots of easy "carebears" to pewpew should this thread in fact turn out to actually be a big April Fools joke. Perhaps this is an example of why Ivy shouldn't be "allowed" to post here - Nahh. Sometimes the truth is just simply the truth. CNUF-
mokmo3 Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:36:00 - [45] I am quite saddened by this announcement, as May 1st would have been my 3rd year anniversary in the Uni. I haven't been the most active in the past months, but i did help whenever i could. But if the leadership believes if better this way, i'll understand. These repeated wars from the same alliance over the last two years have become too much for a lot of us, we do expect members to eventually move on, but not being able to get game knowledge to the new players is the worst reason for them to leave, both for themselves and for the game in general. Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Dagda Morr Caldari Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:40:00 - [46] Just for the record, those of us that left for Seppuku did so because we respected the university ideals. As a uni member I followed the ROE, and the various restrictions that I agreed to when I joined. It was always assumed among uni members that as you get deeper into the game you first stop needing the uni, then start needing to leave the uni - it's part of the natural development of a player. Blob warfare in the uni served a purpose, but it wasn't fun - same for the 0.0 restrictions ect Those of us that left to join up with Sabre are the players that want to experience elements of the game that the uni would not and could not provide. All in all, no drama bomb, no-one emoragequit the uni, we just wanted more. I suspect this is another april's fool - I sincerely hope so. If not - fly safe(ish) unistas, hope you find a home. Please resize sig to a maximum of 400 x 120 - Mitnal
Irrilian Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.04.01 16:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Dagda Morr It was always assumed among uni members that as you get deeper into the game you first stop needing the uni, then start needing to leave the uni - it's part of the natural development of a player. As you point out itÆs only natural that people move on, E-uni was intended to provide an initial home for new players, to learn about the game and try out itÆs range of possibilities so when they finally decide to fledge the nest they have had the best possible start in the game. Throughout itÆs existence groups of players have left E-uni to move on to bigger and better things, Seppuku Warriors being the most recent and The Graduates another, along with a host of corporations which cover the entire range of activities in the game. We have parted on the best of terms and wish them all the very best, perhaps IÆll have to look some of them up after May 1st. Originally by: Dagda Morr All in all, no drama bomb, no-one emoragequit the uni, we just wanted more. I didnÆt intend any criticism of Seppuku Warriors or to imply that they left over some drama, these are actually completely unrelated events illustrating a trend in membership over the last few months rather than any connection between them.
Tanthius Gallente Black Eclipse Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.01 17:37:00 - [48] Originally by: Skoot Edited by: Skoot on 01/04/2009 13:55:04 I have always been a strong believer in Eve University. In sight of what is happening to their corporation and its members I will be donating 16 thanatos carriers to their extra credit program. I will need a eve uni representative to contact me in game for the donation. Truly, a selfless act.
Carver DiGriz Gallente No Limit Productions Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.04.01 18:41:00 - [49] Of course, if it is true and not April 1st-iness...Woe! Betides Atlas. Eve mag profiled three alliances in ish#14. Bob, Eve Uni, and <uh-oh> Atlas. The curse of E-ON?
Captain Nuf Gallente Seppuku Warriors	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:04:00 - [50] Edited by: Captain Nuf on 01/04/2009 19:10:39 Originally by: Irrilian I didnÆt intend any criticism of Seppuku Warriors or to imply that they left over some drama, these are actually completely unrelated events illustrating a trend in membership over the last few months rather than any connection between them. Well said and received. No drama to see here (other than possibly that which is inherent in the OP should this news turn out to be true). Having Eve University was good for the game. Hats off to Morning Maniac as well as to the thousands of people that have passed through the "doors" and contributed or benefited over the last 5 years from their participation with the various implementations of their original vision to serve and enhance others' enjoyment of Eve. If the OP is true, their work will live on (in part) by their contribution to every major alliance today, as well as several smaller groups that continue to benefit from their existence. <Edited for punctuation> CNUF-

Che Biko Gallente Polytechnique Gallenteenne	Posted - 2009.04.01 19:39:00 - [51] Post this again tomorrow, and I'll .
enjoi Gallente Black Eclipse Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.01 20:27:00 - [52] I'm caught between amusement and dismay Real men structure tank.
Funkcikle Gallente DEATHFUNK Doctrine.	Posted - 2009.04.01 20:54:00 - [53] Originally by: enjoi I'm caught between amusement and dismay fuk me, i didn't think u could read, wel dunn m8, well done you
Tanthius Gallente Black Eclipse Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.01 21:02:00 - [54] I had to read it to him.
Funkcikle Gallente DEATHFUNK Doctrine.	Posted - 2009.04.01 21:42:00 - [55] ahh , no right ok, fairnuff then
Kelduum Revaan Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.04.01 22:11:00 - [56] First of all, sorry everyone - we just couldn't resist. Internet spaceships are, after all, serious business... *So to make it explicit... APRIL FOOLS!!! - Eve University is certainly not* closing!** Over the last couple of years, yes we have had a very high number of wars, and in most cases that seems to be simply because of our size. Since I took over as director of operations four months ago, a few things have been instituted to reduce our membership levels, mainly the removal of inactive members after one month, which have gone a long way to reducing the membership to a more appropriate level, but the sheer number of people joining means that we just look like a good target to many groups. In the past, wardecs have meant closed recruitment as it simply been too dangerous for new pilots, but we have recently instituted tiered recruitment, where new players can join as 'external' members, who are collected together in secure environment to share their experience with each other and E-UNI veterans, and have the option of progressing to forums access and/or joining the corp in full once they are confident to fight. What this means in effect is that wars are no longer a significant disruption to E-UNI - new players can benefit from a good proportion of our resources during wars, and prospective members can join once able, whilst those who don't want to fight for whatever reason are no longer excluded. With this change, those who have in the past been looking to disrupt our activities simply have little to no effect, so effectively wars become an opportunity for our members to get some live PvP experience. Of course that brings us to something we often get criticised on - our fleet makeup and the assertion that we 'only teach blobbing', which is entirely understandable. In actual fact, during peacetime we have fairly frequent small-gang pirate runs though losec, and out of wars we hold Frigate Free For Alls, as well as the relevant skills needed for them. Its simply the case that due to the high proportion of new inexperienced pilots, the 'blob' is the most effective format during wars, when the time needed to actively teach the other skills is not available. Of course, given the opportunity, and once they get some experience, its not uncommon for small groups of 5-10 to go out hunting war-targets on their own, but we would welcome a small-gang PvP lesson (or in fact any other lesson) from anyone willing to teach - just drop me or Dierdra Vaal, our Director of Training, a line to arrange something. And of course, just to touch on the Irrilian/Captain Nuf exchange above - I like to think we have a good relationship with Seppuku Warriors. Its never been the case that E-UNI members have to stay with us, SW provide a useful place to get some PvP experience and do things which our policies prevent them from, as as Irrilian mentioned, E-UNI is not supposed to be a permanent home. So, to quote myself from the 'five years' post a couple of weeks ago: "As New Eden changes, expands and evolves, Eve University will still be here, freely teaching those new players what they need to know to be a success." Fly safe o7 -- Kelduum Revaan Director of Operations Eve University _____
enjoi Gallente Black Eclipse Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.04.01 22:48:00 - [57] Nice :P Oh and hai Funk! Where's the love, man? Real men structure tank.
Miagi Sans Amarr PURgE-Corp	Posted - 2009.04.02 02:22:00 - [58] /atomic wedgie to eve u
X Kent Caldari The 2nd Foundation SOLAR WING	Posted - 2009.04.02 02:25:00 - [59] pretty obvious corp advertisement...
Ubercado Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.04.02 02:50:00 - [60] ...and here I was thinking how in the world am I gonna move 250k corpses...



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